The war in Ukraine and Donbas

9 years ago


Like the ruins of Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine has been turned into a CIA theme park – run personally by CIA director John Brennan in Kiev, with dozens of "special units" from the CIA and FBI setting up a "security structure" that oversees savage attacks on those who opposed the February coup. Watch the videos, read the eye-witness reports from the massacre in Odessa this month. Bussed fascist thugs burned the trade union headquarters, killing 41 people trapped inside. Watch the police standing by.

A doctor described trying to rescue people, "but I was stopped by pro-Ukrainian Nazi radicals. One of them pushed me away rudely, promising that soon me and other Jews of Odessa are going to meet the same fate. What occurred yesterday didn't even take place during the fascist occupation in my town in world war two. I wonder, why the whole world is keeping silent." [see footnote]
needs to be on fox and front page nyt if journalists were journalists
 
An old meme I found, but it still holds true.
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I guess things we can all agree are
-This war is good news for China; Russia is more dependent on China which means the Panda will penetrate the Bear in the ass, rob the valuables and gain control over Russia and its natural resources.
-Europe has been weak and unprepared for too long, except Poland, Finland and some other rarities. Especially the Western Europe has been just hoping for the best for too long.
-Russian military has proved to be shittier than thought
-Ukraine has fought harder and better than almost anyone thought two years ago. Most of us thought they'd fall in days.
To be fair, I think that was when most people had no idea we would be subsidizing the war to the extent we have, paying Ukrainian salaries, pensions, and to the general grift slush fund.
 
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Fake news. Our government wouldn't lie to the people. Besides, the government said that "all" CIA and others were pulled out of Ukraine when Russia invaded two years ago.
"Pulled out" I guess just means they pulled their dick out of the Ukrainian ass
 
So exactly what the real fringe folks have been saying for years. Got it.
 
Saw this article this morning. Number seems optimistically low.

I'll have to agree, unfortunately. One can of course hope this wouldn't be too far from the reality but to be honest, fighting a two year full-scale active war with such low casualties sounds a bit optimistic to say the least. However, it's almost certain Russia has taken greater casualties both in terms of equipment and manpower.

No country at war is honest and open about the casualties of its own army or the opponent. Everyone is exaggerating the casualties they've produced for the other and are give an overly optimistic image of their own casualties.
 

A nearly one-million-word verdict from Ukraine’s Maidan massacre trial has recently confirmed that many Maidan activists were shot not by members of Ukraine’s Berkut special police force or other law enforcement personnel but by snipers in the far-right-controlled Hotel Ukraina and other Maidan-controlled locations a decade ago today. The verdict, handed down on October 18, 2023, states specifically that this hotel was controlled by Maidan activists and that an armed, far-right-linked Maidan group was in the hotel and fired from it. It also confirms that there was no Russian involvement in the massacre and that no massacre orders were issued by then President Viktor Yanukovych or his ministers. The verdict concludes that the Euromaidan was at the time of this massacre not a peaceful protest but a “rebellion” that involved the killing of Berkut and other police personnel.

This is an important official acknowledgement, not only because the violence represented the most significant case of mass murder, violent crime, and human rights violations in independent Ukraine to that point, but also because of the subsequent conflicts to which it has led or contributed. Notably, the massacre precipitated the violent overthrow of Yanukovych and his government, who were falsely blamed for carrying it out. It then spiralled into the Russian annexation of Crimea, the subsequent civil war and Russian interventions in the Donbas, and the conflicts between Ukraine and Russia, and between Russia and the Western powers, which Russia dramatically escalated with its illegal invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022.
 

"NATO Secretary-General Jen Stoltenberg said Ukraine has the right to hit Russian military targets outside of Ukraine. The remarks were made as members of the North Atlantic alliance are preparing to send Kyiv weapons with longer ranges. The Kremlin has explained that it will claim more Ukrainian territory to offset the threat presented by the long-range arms.

“Ukraine has the right to self-defense,” Stoltenberg told Radio Free Europe on Tuesday. “And that includes also striking legitimate military targets, Russian military targets, outside Ukraine. That is international law and, of course, Ukraine has the right to do so, to protect itself.” This is the first time the NATO chief endorsed Ukrainian attacks inside of Russia."
 
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Saw this article this morning. Number seems optimistically low.


My understanding is that Zelensky is claiming they are rotating 300K solders off the front line that have been there since initial deployment 2 years ago.. and they need to conscript replacements for them to rotate. When, in reality, there are only 30K survivors.
The claim Russia is taking higher casualties than Ukraine seems wildly optimistic. Curious where anybody is getting that sort of imformation?
 

"NATO Secretary-General Jen Stoltenberg said Ukraine has the right to hit Russian military targets outside of Ukraine. The remarks were made as members of the North Atlantic alliance are preparing to send Kyiv weapons with longer ranges. The Kremlin has explained that it will claim more Ukrainian territory to offset the threat presented by the long-range arms.

“Ukraine has the right to self-defense,” Stoltenberg told Radio Free Europe on Tuesday. “And that includes also striking legitimate military targets, Russian military targets, outside Ukraine. That is international law and, of course, Ukraine has the right to do so, to protect itself.” This is the first time the NATO chief endorsed Ukrainian attacks inside of Russia."
That also applies to those who supply Ukraine with weapons as well. The nicety's will to end at some point. Then the American people will say, see Russia bad, they are attacking us for no reason.
 
My understanding is that Zelensky is claiming they are rotating 300K solders off the front line that have been there since initial deployment 2 years ago.. and they need to conscript replacements for them to rotate. When, in reality, there are only 30K survivors.
The claim Russia is taking higher casualties than Ukraine seems wildly optimistic. Curious where anybody is getting that sort of imformation?
probably from the same people that told us we were winning in afghanistan for 20 years before we were chased out.
 
To be fair, I think that was when most people had no idea we would be subsidizing the war to the extent we have, paying Ukrainian salaries, pensions, and to the general grift slush fund.
Why though? Historically it has always lead to an escalation of what situation the US decided to get involved in.

Has there ever been a case where the US just threw a couple hundred million dollar and some weapons in and just walked away?