Night Vision Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

[GBMaryland]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IPSC_GUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phantom223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Seeing alot of video of the W1000-9 scopes showing up around the net lately seems like guys are liking them and KO alot of varmints. </div></div>

The System is being well received. This is the best bang for the buck, as it were, in a Thermal Weapons sight on the Market today. As the videos show, the unit is HIGHLY effective ! ! !

IPSC_GUY
SIERRA II ALPHA </div></div>

I have to agree.

I'm not sure what these are being procured for at the wholesale level, but... it's probably one of the better bangs for the buck for now.

It's not a small unit, but it's also not a very heavy unit.

(Especially, if you use li-ion rechargables or the BB-2847 li-ion battery pack.)

It's not a sexy as a thermal CNVD-T, but... it's also not as massively expensive... and it's PERFECT for anyone wanting to take out rodents, pedators taking out their calves, ferral hogs, and other like it.

I've noticed that I can pick up airplanes for MILEs, birds (easily) from a 1/4 miles [little ones], and generally a bunch of other stuff.

It's not as useful for things like energy audits, as its not for close in work, but it's a weapon sight.

Mod-Armory has done a decent job overall preping these for sale, and looking for additional excessories.

 

[Altnews]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the impactzone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sorry but I don't think you will put your eye up to the eye pices more than once with a 338lp, I only shoot mine under a 223 for that reason! I have to get so close I don't even want to put it on my 243, its a great scope and I use it often, but not on any mag clibers </div></div>

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

Mine is currently mounted on my AR-10T .308 and I have had no problems with either proper eye placement or getting dinged by the scope and I was shooting toe-warmer targets at 100 yards with MOA accuracy.

The proper eye relief for a clear view of the reticle is no different than it is for any good scope, about 1.5 to 2 inches, and all that is required is proper shooting technique and a good cheek-weld with the stock.

If you're getting whacked by the sight, you're doing something wrong.

Besides, the W1000 is not rated for magnum calibers, it's only rated for .308/7.62.

 

[GBMaryland]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the impactzone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sorry but I don't think you will put your eye up to the eye pices more than once with a 338lp, I only shoot mine under a 223 for that reason! I have to get so close I don't even want to put it on my 243, its a great scope and I use it often, but not on any mag clibers </div></div>

No issue at all with a few hundred round of 175Gr 7.62 out of a Larue OBR with a Rosedale break.

Use the rubber eyepeice and all is good...

Frankly, I tend to think I could use it on my TRG-42 (300WM) without issue either. There is more actual recoil on the OBR...

 

[GBMaryland]

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You know, actually, considering the W1000 is designed to take anti-tank and stinger recoil... You have to wonder how it's only rated for 7.62 fire...

Also, the M24 comes in 300WM...

 

[GBMaryland]

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Hunter, et. al.:

Is the warranty void on the W1000-9 from ModArmory if used on an M24 in 300WM?

Just want to know before I consider trying it at Quantico... (A buddy has one...)

 

[the impactzone]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

Ok got the lawmate DVR now how about a mike to record sound?

 

[huntler]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GBMaryland</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hunter, et. al.:

Is the warranty void on the W1000-9 from ModArmory if used on an M24 in 300WM?

Just want to know before I consider trying it at Quantico... (A buddy has one...) </div></div>

GB,

It is only rated for 308 machine gun fire. The recoil on a .300WM bolt gun is very different. Without getting off on a tangent about our recoil and harmonic testing procedures and equipment, I'll just say that felt recoil and actual measured recoil forces don't often correlate.

So to answer the question, YES it would void the warranty

 

[GBMaryland]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hunter- MODArmory</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GBMaryland</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hunter, et. al.:

Is the warranty void on the W1000-9 from ModArmory if used on an M24 in 300WM?

Just want to know before I consider trying it at Quantico... (A buddy has one...) </div></div>

GB,

It is only rated for 308 machine gun fire. The recoil on a .300WM bolt gun is very different. Without getting off on a tangent about our recoil and harmonic testing procedures and equipment, I'll just say that felt recoil and actual measured recoil forces don't often correlate.

So to answer the question, YES it would void the warranty
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Ok, so the dial on the unit says M24... So you're saying that that actually means the M24A1?

So that would mean the W1000-9's were manufactured some time ago?

Not that they don't appear to work, they work rather well.

 

[the impactzone]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

mine has a mfg date of 2006

 

[GBMaryland]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

Yeah, that date implies the original M24, but the dial simply says M24 and provides a mildot reticle... Which can be used with ANY M24; without a manual to give the exact specifications one can assume ANY M24...

This is why I'm so interested in getting one... I want the exact performance specifications and versions of the intended weapons on the reticle dial.

 

[MODArmory – Nicole]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

Today we are in the process of printing & binding the W1000 Manuals.
Hooray!
GBMaryland i know you are in need of one!

 

[GBMaryland]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

As always... Thank you!!

 

[MODArmory – Nicole]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

Just in:

MODArmory Raytheon Thermal Weapon Sight W1000 QD Interface Mount: $79.99

Interfaces with the ACOG Mount from the following manufactures: American Defense MFG, Alamo Four Star DLOC, Global Defense Initiatives (GDI) & Larue ACOG Mounts.

Ability to adjust the fore & aft

Some BUIS will fit under the cantilever

Quick Detach feature

Black Anodized Aluminum

Featured on the Alamo Fourt Star Quick Detach ACOG Mount

 

[MODArmory – Nicole]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

everyone that has been waiting these will be shipping out tomorrow!

 

[GBMaryland]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

Nice!

...and I've got a Larue ACOG mount laying around!

 

[I^2 Technologies - Peter]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

These make the mounting of the W1000 soooo much nicer than the old ARMS mount.

IPSC_GUY
SIERRA II ALPHA

 

[GBMaryland]

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Yeah, the ModArmory maual is REALLY nice as well.

One thing that it did not cover was the ammunition expected in order to use the Bullet Drop Compensation BDC features of the reticles.

Initally, it appears that all M16 variants use the SS106 - M855 round.

Then the M240 is supposed to be calibrated for the M80 round.

Lastly, the M60 is supposed to be calibrated for the M59 round.

This last one, given 2005 production of the sight, sorta confuses me... I would have assumed that the M60 by 2005 would be using the same ammo as the M240. (They we phasing out the M60 machine gun by 2005.)

 

[I^2 Technologies - Peter]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

We have an addendum coming that will cover all of the Ammunition selections for each reticule covered in the Manual. Remember this was a military sight designed around issued weapons and ammo.

With ANY sighting system our best advice is to go shoot the weapons platform and ammo combo you intend to use and see where it hits in relation to the reticules in reality.

Go test your gun, ammo and see where it shoots, Happy blasting! (Hopefully in the dark, at pigs...)

IPSC_GUY
SIERRA II ALPHA

 

[GBMaryland]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

So, my 2 cents:

It's important to have a diagram for the retciles that indicates the hold over point distances.

The next important thing is the ammunition the reticle was designed to be used for with a specific weapon.

For example:

XM16 and M16A1 rifles use a 55gr round and have 20 inch barrels.

M16A2 and M16A4 (and A3s) use the SS109 62gr round, and have 20 inch barrels, also use the 62gr SS109.

M60E3s and M240s use the M80 ball round...

Prior to the adoption of the M240 for front line use, the M60 (and the M14) used the M59 round.

So, basically, this weapon site was produced in 2005. This would assume the the M60/M240 are using the M80 round.

It's the TIME variable that would like determine what ammo corresponds to which reticle.

So that's why I'm really interested in the ammo specs for the given weapons platforms on the dial.

If you look at a PVS-4 manual... it tells you how to use the reticle and way the holdovers are.

Looking on the specific revision of the manual, you can determine what the ammo type in use at the time was.

Given the transitions going on at the time of the production of the W1000, it's a little harder.

GB

 

[I^2 Technologies - Peter]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

Yes we will have this info for ya shortly. It might be late next week but we are working on it! You have an OP manual at the moment yes?

IPSC_GUY
SIERRA II ALPHA

 

[hrt4me]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

what is mounted atop the M2HB on the HMMWV, starting around 0:40 in this video?

http://www.apacheclips.com/media/10863/Rescue_of_Pvt._Jessica_Lynch/

 

[the impactzone]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

black hot for the shot with white retcial

white hot to locate down game

 

[Altnews]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TexasGunTrustLawer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Altnews</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TexasGunTrustLawer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is an intersting unit. The ocular eyepiece sucks as it has one pincushion effect around the edges. </div></div>

Actually this is not true. What you're seeing is merely a misplacement of the eye in relationship to the focal point of the ocular lens. With this unit and it's large ocular (which is designed to provide maximum clarity at low light levels), eye placement is critical. </div></div>

Unfortunately, you are simply incorrect on both the eye position & shooting it on a large caliber rifle. </div></div>

Unfortunately, you don't know what you're talking about. I own one and have fired it on my AR-10T .308 without any trouble at all. With proper eye placement and proper cheek-weld and technique, it works just fine and no scope bite.

 

[GBMaryland]

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Scope bite... If you are tucking in to yu shoulder, and have the w1000 mounted and placed correctly, and are using the rubber eye piece...

There shouldn't be any issues.

I'm certainly not getting beat up!

 

[Ident]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Altnews</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TexasGunTrustLawer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Altnews</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TexasGunTrustLawer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is an intersting unit. The ocular eyepiece sucks as it has one pincushion effect around the edges. </div></div>

Actually this is not true. What you're seeing is merely a misplacement of the eye in relationship to the focal point of the ocular lens. With this unit and it's large ocular (which is designed to provide maximum clarity at low light levels), eye placement is critical. </div></div>

Unfortunately, you are simply incorrect on both the eye position & shooting it on a large caliber rifle. </div></div>

Unfortunately, you don't know what you're talking about. I own one and have fired it on my AR-10T .308 without any trouble at all. With proper eye placement and proper cheek-weld and technique, it works just fine and no scope bite. </div></div>

We have shot about 800 .308/6.8SPC rounds(at animals) with the W1000 since they were released and the eye relief is fine. Its also probably more important to note that the W1000 eyepiece exits very low on the back of the unit and optical centerline runs about 1.5" above the rail- similar to an ACOG in height. A big improvement over a lot of other thermal weapon sights (If you have ever used a PAS-13 V2 or V3 you know that a good cheek weld is impossible.)

For you guys that are used to using thermal I'll add that we have been using to the W1000-9 to scan for pigs rather than using our long range pan/tilt thermal systems on our hunting vehicles- we get better performance. Summer night hunting in Texas is still 90+ degrees with 70 to 80% humidity- not exactly optimal weather conditions for long distance thermal detection with any unit. That said we still detect small animals (skunks and rabbits) at 500 yards, pigs at 1200 yards and cattle at a mile. When the evenings drop cooler the performance is even better.

 

[GBMaryland]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ident</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For you guys that are used to using thermal I'll add that we have been using to the W1000-9 to scan for pigs rather than using our long range pan/tilt thermal systems on our hunting vehicles- we get better performance. Summer night hunting in Texas is still 90+ degrees with 70 to 80% humidity- not exactly optimal weather conditions for long distance thermal detection with any unit. That said we still detect small animals (skunks and rabbits) at 500 yards, pigs at 1200 yards and cattle at a mile. When the evenings drop cooler the performance is even better.
</div></div>

So I was using a x200xp Thermal Eye, and it's a very good unit for what it is.

However, it might be good if you are the hunter, but there is no magnification, and the field of view is restrcited.

Ovbiously, the newer technology makes it better at what I'd call "fine" detail resolution... but you'd really need to use in in conjunction with NV to have a well rounded solution... and you are not detecting things well past 400m (if that).

The W1000-9 was clearly designed with AAA in mind, and, as such, you can see some pretty larger hot objects at considerable distance. Of course, that 100mm lens doesn't hurt you there, even if newer technology makes a difference.

Yeah, the thing was not cheap, and yeah, I've there are stories about dealers making 100% on them... BUT, the reality is that there isn't anything else in the space for the price that performs as truely well.

...and if you buy rechargable 9v li-ion batteries, it'll run for 7 to 7.5 hours on a set.

 

[Altnews]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TexasGunTrustLawer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Altnews</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TexasGunTrustLawer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is an intersting unit. The ocular eyepiece sucks as it has one pincushion effect around the edges. </div></div>

Actually this is not true. What you're seeing is merely a misplacement of the eye in relationship to the focal point of the ocular lens. With this unit and it's large ocular (which is designed to provide maximum clarity at low light levels), eye placement is critical. </div></div>

Unfortunately, you are simply incorrect on both the eye position & shooting it on a large caliber rifle. </div></div>

Actually I'm not. I own one and it looks and shoots just fine on my .308 AR-10T. The image is perfectly clear when the device is properly focused and my eye is in the proper position. No pincushion. Perhaps you have a defective unit.

 

[TexasGunTrustLawyer]

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Maybe the unit is defective. there is a second one that I can look at and video. I notice no one I shooting video through the viewfinder.

[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/EE-1pJ_BhY8[/video]

http://youtu.be/EE-1pJ_BhY8

There is pincushion, the sides of the viewfinder image curve inward. In handling and using the unit, its not a huge fucntional issue, but it is annoying in a high end thermal weapon sight.

 

[Altnews]

Re: Thermal Weapon Sight Raytheon W1000-9

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TexasGunTrustLawer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe the unit is defective. there is a second one that I can look at and video. I notice no one I shooting video through the viewfinder.

[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/EE-1pJ_BhY8[/video]

http://youtu.be/EE-1pJ_BhY8

There is pincushion, the sides of the viewfinder image curve inward. In handling and using the unit, its not a huge fucntional issue, but it is annoying in a high end thermal weapon sight. </div></div>

Not if your eye (not your camera lens) is in the proper position there isn't.

 

[TexasGunTrustLawyer]

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Actually yes, it's there and the camera lens accurately portrays what the user sees.

I would not have posted the video if it didn't.

Feel free to educate me on what we are doing wrong with the unit.

There is only one place to put your eye when using the unit.

 

[MODArmory – Nicole]

Raytheon W1000-9 vs AN/PAS-13

 

[MODArmory – Nicole]

Energizer bunny on steroids... it keeps going and going and going

Coming soon... in a box and almost to our location. New and improved Bren-Tronics rechargeable battery
Perfect for your Raytheon W1000 or PAS13

BT-70747BE - New improve / robust
$210.00
The nitty gritty:


Voltage 7.2 V

Maximum Voltage 8.4 V

Capacity 8.2 Ah

Storage Temperature -40°C to +40°C (-40°F to +104°F)

Temperature Operations -20°C to +60°C (-4°F to +140°F)

BT-70747 (Older style)
Voltage 7.2 V

Maximum Voltage 8.4 V

Capacity 6.2 Ah

Storage Temperature -40°C to +40°C (-40°F to +104°F)

Temperature Operations -20°C to +55°C (-4°F to +131°F)

 

[Altnews]

Raytheon W1000-9 vs AN/PAS-13

It's worth noting the primary problem with the PAS 13 is the location of the eyepiece. Talk about having to gooseneck, it's just ridiculous how far off the stock you have to get to use the PAS 13. The low eyepiece location of the W-1000 alone makes up for the difference in bulk, in my opinion.

 

[brazos609]

Energizer bunny on steroids... it keeps going and going and going

Coming soon... in a box and almost to our location. New and improved Bren-Tronics rechargeable battery
Perfect for your Raytheon W1000 or PAS13

BT-70747BE - New improve / robust
$210.00
The nitty gritty:


Voltage 7.2 V

Maximum Voltage 8.4 V

Capacity 8.2 Ah

Storage Temperature -40°C to +40°C (-40°F to +104°F)

Temperature Operations -20°C to +60°C (-4°F to +140°F)

How much is the charger to go with these batteries? I didn't see either on your site.

 

[GBMaryland]

An 8.4Ah battery is a certain winner. Nice. Is there a weight difference between the two battery units?

 

[MODArmory – Nicole]

GBMaryland - the weight of the new battery is .75 via an official FedEx scale.
Brazos - Unfortunately the price is dependent by how much we pay. New the chargers cost $900 - $1100. However we have some that are surplus but brand new condition for $150.00. We have a few left at this price.