This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

[Swift]

If Obama wants to create jobs, he's gonna have an uphill battle should he choose to sign an assault weapons ban. I had a job lined up at a local Class III shop, interview went well, but they understandably can't afford to hire anyone before the election. This could bring a billion+ dollar industry to a screeching halt across the board and could leave a lot of folks without a job. Of course, he doesn't want to look at it that way but the effect it would have impacts employment numbers for many Americans.

Needless to say, I've been donating heavily to the NRA. If you're not actively involved in any 2nd Amendment groups, I implore you to do so because we cannot allow something like this to pass and these organizations need funding to fight this legislation. We have already suffered huge losses and faced numerous hurdles yet the libtards will only look to snowball it going forward using examples like the Colorado shooting to back their argument rather than facing the real issues like education and keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable.

"Gangbangers" as he likes to say, can and will continue to get full auto weapons on the street for pennies on the dollar yet we pay out the wazoo and jump through hoops just to get the same. The biggest threat to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun; why can't they put that together? Whether you're a left wing liberal or full on righty, this is a fundamental concept that would benefit the safety of the entire country as a whole. No one holds up a gun shop in broad daylight, the states with highest(legal) gun ownership have the lowest violent crime, why people refuse something that would make them safer is beyond me-it's likely a simple case of fearing the unknown so roll with the education that you mentioned and throw that bullshit ban out the window.

/rant.

 

[Swift]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

One more note...many European countries have undoubtedly suffered worse losses than we have and since they disarmed their citizens, violent crime and crime across the board have skyrocketed because criminals get weapons illegally shipped from all over the world-money talks. They've created country-wide victim zones where the morally inept are allowed to flourish while law abiding citizens continue to be punished.

The system doesn't work, the stats prove it(and we all know politicians love their stats) yet it continues to be pushed. The government fears a well armed population but if you allow the population some sense of self regulation, there's no blowback on the government. We have gotten to a point where it's a constant battle between the government and the people which they govern and any sensible, rational person can see that this is counter productive. Why can't we all just get along? Seriously. If the people flourish, the government flourishes. If the government flourishes, the fat cat bureaucrats still get their private jets and the people are happy because they're making money. Everybody wins and the government has nothing to fear, not to mention the increased safety and decreased crime rates. If any government moles are reading this, let's work TOGETHER instead of butting heads which benefits no one.

 

[High Binder]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

Your whole premise assumes that he cares about creating/keeping jobs but he hasn't in the last four years and in the next four he doesn't have to pander because he's not up for reelection. Not only that, but the people in this industry aren't his constituents anyway.

I think he easily could bring back an AWB and do far more damage to the 2nd. He's also shown that congress is easily side-stepped/preempted so we don't have a pro-gun GOP House to to protect us and fall back on like we should.

 

[turbo54]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

Honestly, unless 0bama (note the spelling there...not "Obama" or "obama") writes an executive order banning high-capacity military-type rifles, I don't see how a new ban would pass congress in the next four years.

Regardless of whether 0bama gets reelected or not, there just won't be the votes in congress.

I think a much larger threat to our RKBA are the justices he appoints to the SCOTUS. It'll be **at least** 2 between Ginsburg and Thomas. There could very easy be 3, and foreseeably 4!

Considering Heller and McDonald were only narrowly won 5-4, the possible 0bama-induced shift in the SCOTUS could be absolutely devastating to the RKBA.

 

[High Binder]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think a much larger threat to our RKBA are the justices he appoints to the SCOTUS. It'll be **at least** 2 between Ginsburg and Thomas. There could very easy be 3, and foreseeably 4!
. </div></div>

^This will shape the future of this country for many decades to come and is easily the most important part of the upcoming election.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, unless 0bama (note the spelling there...not "Obama" or "obama") writes an executive order banning high-capacity military-type rifles, I don't see how a new ban would pass congress in the next four years. </div></div>

And you think he wouldn't do that?

 

[Swift]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think a much larger threat to our RKBA are the justices he appoints to the SCOTUS. It'll be **at least** 2 between Ginsburg and Thomas. There could very easy be 3, and foreseeably 4!
. </div></div>

^This will shape the future of this country for many decades to come and is easily the most important part of the upcoming election. </div></div>

Agreed. That's huge.

 

[jcfd2201]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

History has proven that most powerful countries or nations have had civil unrest or revolution somewhere around 225 to 250 years.

How old is the US?

Are we any different then those in history?

The SCOTUS appointments are definitely of a great concern should the current administration remain in place.

 

[Trmorris21]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

There is always "executive privalige" in the wheel house - just do what you want and bypass Congress. What a deal.

 

[Tough Guy]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

If I was in the gun business I'd seriously consider voting for Obama. Should he get re elected it will bring out all the crazies (AGAIN) buying up all the guns and ammo, causing massive price increases and shortages of those items as it did when Obama was elected the first time. Why would I want to wait years to makes millions of dollars when the crazies can make me that kind of money over night?

 

[High Binder]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcfd2201</div><div class="ubbcode-body">History has proven that most powerful countries or nations have had civil unrest or revolution somewhere around 225 to 250 years.
</div></div>

Every state has risen and fallen, most many times older than ours. The cycle period is debatable but you're right in that states do have revolutions/civil wars/coups from time to time and the cycle is in the 250yr range. I think France has been the most active going through around five full iterations in the last five hundred years.

 

[High Binder]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I was in the gun business I'd seriously consider voting for Obama. Should he get re elected it will bring out all the crazies (AGAIN) buying up all the guns and ammo, causing massive price increases and shortages of those items as it did when Obama was elected the first time. Why would I want to wait years to makes millions of dollars when the crazies can make me that kind of money over night? </div></div>

Pyrrhic victory

 

[-Nick-]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trmorris21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is always "executive privalige" in the wheel house - just do what you want and bypass Congress. What a deal.
</div></div>

This is getting thrown around all over the place here on the Hide and it has to make me wonder whether or not anyone actually paid attention in their US History class. An "Executive Order" is what you meant, not "executive <span style="text-decoration: line-through">privalige</span> privilege" (2 totally different things), and an Executive Order does not let the President simply "bypass" Congress.

 

[High Binder]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trmorris21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is always "executive privalige" in the wheel house - just do what you want and bypass Congress. What a deal.
</div></div>

This is getting thrown around all over the place here on the Hide and it has to make me wonder whether or not anyone actually paid attention in their US History class. An "Executive Order" is what you meant, not "executive <span style="text-decoration: line-through">privalige</span> privilege" (2 totally different things), and an Executive Order does not let the President simply "bypass" Congress. </div></div>

Privilege is what kept the F&F cover up, covered-up. Order is when the prez notes that he will or will not enforce provisions within a law that has been passed. That is at least how it used to work. You only need to look back about six months (June) to find where the prez completely circumvented congress. It's happened in the past (recent past) and can easily happen again. Even if the SC/congress over-turns whatever it was, it still takes them months to do so...

 

[-Nick-]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Privilege is what kept the F&F cover up, covered-up. Order is when the prez notes that he will or will not enforce provisions within a law that has been passed. That is at least how it used to work. You only need to look back about six months (June) to find where the prez completely circumvented congress. It's happened in the past (recent past) and can easily happen again. Even if the SC/congress over-turns whatever it was, it still takes them months to do so... </div></div>

Not exactly HB...

Executive Privilege <span style="font-style: italic">is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government</span>.

Executive Order <span style="font-style: italic">is an order or directive issued by the head of the executive branch at some level of government and it must clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution.</span>

Add: In the instance of an Executive Order you're right about one thing. It takes months to overturn, and if it takes the power of the Supreme Court that wait could equate to years before it happens.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your whole premise assumes that he cares about creating/keeping jobs but he hasn't in the last four years and in the next four he doesn't have to pander because he's not up for reelection. Not only that, but the people in this industry aren't his constituents anyway.

I think he easily could bring back an AWB and do far more damage to the 2nd. He's also shown that congress is easily side-stepped/preempted so we don't have a pro-gun GOP House to to protect us and fall back on like we should. </div></div>


+1

Obama and his constituents, buddies, could care less about what jobs are lost by this ban.

To the OP. This has very little to do with jobs and the ridiculous attempt to curb crime committed with weapons. If you think it does, your naive. I don't know what more evidence people need to see, that this has absolutely nothing to do with crime rates. I mean really, come on lets call a "spade a spade." Hell, Obama and the people in this circle are in bed with NATO. I don't feel that Romney is any better.


Your mayor, Frank Jackson, is a member of MAIG. If you do not know about MAIG just research it. MAIG started out as a coalition to track illegal guns. Now they are more robust and purpose out-right bans on all guns in congress. MAIG does have connections to Agenda 21 which is a UN program.



A portion of an article:

Where did UAIGSF get its money? The Foundation Center’s huge grant database showed that it got $2.4 million in foundation money from 2008 to 2010, with $1.3 million coming from Chicago’s rabidly anti-gun Joyce Foundation, where Barack Obama was once a board member.

Workman continued to shed light on the funding of MAIG, which was originally supported by Bloomberg ($3 million), insurance mogul Eli Broad ($750,000), and the Joyce Foundation ($1.1 million). When the Support Fund opened shop in 2008, Broad’s private foundation and the Joyce Foundation continued as anti-gun donors.

Joyce incubated the idea of joint government and foundation funding for gun control activists in 2008 with a grant of $375,000 “To support four diverse ‘mayors against illegal guns’ coalition members in hiring city coordinators to act as regional point persons for the coalition.”

Workman’s database-surfing found $32.2 million in tax-exempt money pouring into various gun control pockets during the past decade. George Soros’ Open Society Institute, for example, gave $600,000 to the Tides Foundation in 2002, “To support the donor advised fund for the Funders’ Collaborative for Gun Violence Prevention.”

Workman said, “Gun control has its donor advised funds and funders’ collaboratives and city-funded parasites, but I rarely see such coordination among gun rights donors.”

ref: http://www.knowthelies.com/node/7651

 

[Tough Guy]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I was in the gun business I'd seriously consider voting for Obama. Should he get re elected it will bring out all the crazies (AGAIN) buying up all the guns and ammo, causing massive price increases and shortages of those items as it did when Obama was elected the first time. Why would I want to wait years to makes millions of dollars when the crazies can make me that kind of money over night? </div></div>

Pyrrhic victory </div></div>

Purty fancy word there. However that's exactly what wall street and the banking industry did and they ended up well rewarded for their failures/con jobs gone wrong.

 

[High Binder]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Privilege is what kept the F&F cover up, covered-up. Order is when the prez notes that he will or will not enforce provisions within a law that has been passed. That is at least how it used to work. You only need to look back about six months (June) to find where the prez completely circumvented congress. It's happened in the past (recent past) and can easily happen again. Even if the SC/congress over-turns whatever it was, it still takes them months to do so... </div></div>

Not exactly HB...

Executive Privilege <span style="font-style: italic">is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government</span>.

Executive Order <span style="font-style: italic">is an order or directive issued by the head of the executive branch at some level of government and it must clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution.</span>
</div></div>

That is exactly what I said, though I admit it wasn't as clear/concise as your Wikipedia quote.

 

[High Binder]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your whole premise assumes that he cares about creating/keeping jobs but he hasn't in the last four years and in the next four he doesn't have to pander because he's not up for reelection. Not only that, but the people in this industry aren't his constituents anyway.

I think he easily could bring back an AWB and do far more damage to the 2nd. He's also shown that congress is easily side-stepped/preempted so we don't have a pro-gun GOP House to to protect us and fall back on like we should. </div></div>


+1

Obama and his constituents, buddies, could care less about what jobs are lost by this ban.

To the OP. This has very little to do with jobs and the ridiculous attempt to curb crime committed with weapons. If you think it does, your naive. I don't know what more evidence people need to see, that this has absolutely nothing to do with crime rates. I mean really, come on lets call a "spade a spade." Hell, Obama and the people in this circle are in bed with NATO. I don't feel that Romney is any better.


Your mayor, Frank Jackson, is a member of MAIG. If you do not know about MAIG just research it. MAIG started out as a coalition to track illegal guns. Now they are more robust and purpose out-right bans on all guns in congress. MAIG does have connections to Agenda 21 which is a UN program.



A portion of an article:

Where did UAIGSF get its money? The Foundation Center’s huge grant database showed that it got $2.4 million in foundation money from 2008 to 2010, with $1.3 million coming from Chicago’s rabidly anti-gun Joyce Foundation, where Barack Obama was once a board member.

Workman continued to shed light on the funding of MAIG, which was originally supported by Bloomberg ($3 million), insurance mogul Eli Broad ($750,000), and the Joyce Foundation ($1.1 million). When the Support Fund opened shop in 2008, Broad’s private foundation and the Joyce Foundation continued as anti-gun donors.

Joyce incubated the idea of joint government and foundation funding for gun control activists in 2008 with a grant of $375,000 “To support four diverse ‘mayors against illegal guns’ coalition members in hiring city coordinators to act as regional point persons for the coalition.”

Workman’s database-surfing found $32.2 million in tax-exempt money pouring into various gun control pockets during the past decade. George Soros’ Open Society Institute, for example, gave $600,000 to the Tides Foundation in 2002, “To support the donor advised fund for the Funders’ Collaborative for Gun Violence Prevention.”

Workman said, “Gun control has its donor advised funds and funders’ collaboratives and city-funded parasites, but I rarely see such coordination among gun rights donors.”

ref: http://www.knowthelies.com/node/7651 </div></div>

Whoa, I like to think I follow gun rights pretty closely and am a very active member of our local gun rights group but I haven't heard a peep about this MAIG. Thanks for the heads up! Anything to do with Agenda 21 is scary stuff, we have a huge Agenda 21 group right here in town and they've got money and a fair amount of influence.

 

[High Binder]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I was in the gun business I'd seriously consider voting for Obama. Should he get re elected it will bring out all the crazies (AGAIN) buying up all the guns and ammo, causing massive price increases and shortages of those items as it did when Obama was elected the first time. Why would I want to wait years to makes millions of dollars when the crazies can make me that kind of money over night? </div></div>

Pyrrhic victory </div></div>

Purty fancy word there. However that's exactly what wall street and the banking industry did and they ended up well rewarded for their failures/con jobs gone wrong. </div></div>

Touché and good point!

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_Surgeon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your whole premise assumes that he cares about creating/keeping jobs but he hasn't in the last four years and in the next four he doesn't have to pander because he's not up for reelection. Not only that, but the people in this industry aren't his constituents anyway.

I think he easily could bring back an AWB and do far more damage to the 2nd. He's also shown that congress is easily side-stepped/preempted so we don't have a pro-gun GOP House to to protect us and fall back on like we should. </div></div>


+1

Obama and his constituents, buddies, could care less about what jobs are lost by this ban.

To the OP. This has very little to do with jobs and the ridiculous attempt to curb crime committed with weapons. If you think it does, your naive. I don't know what more evidence people need to see, that this has absolutely nothing to do with crime rates. I mean really, come on lets call a "spade a spade." Hell, Obama and the people in this circle are in bed with NATO. I don't feel that Romney is any better.


Your mayor, Frank Jackson, is a member of MAIG. If you do not know about MAIG just research it. MAIG started out as a coalition to track illegal guns. Now they are more robust and purpose out-right bans on all guns in congress. MAIG does have connections to Agenda 21 which is a UN program.



A portion of an article:

Where did UAIGSF get its money? The Foundation Center’s huge grant database showed that it got $2.4 million in foundation money from 2008 to 2010, with $1.3 million coming from Chicago’s rabidly anti-gun Joyce Foundation, where Barack Obama was once a board member.

Workman continued to shed light on the funding of MAIG, which was originally supported by Bloomberg ($3 million), insurance mogul Eli Broad ($750,000), and the Joyce Foundation ($1.1 million). When the Support Fund opened shop in 2008, Broad’s private foundation and the Joyce Foundation continued as anti-gun donors.

Joyce incubated the idea of joint government and foundation funding for gun control activists in 2008 with a grant of $375,000 “To support four diverse ‘mayors against illegal guns’ coalition members in hiring city coordinators to act as regional point persons for the coalition.”

Workman’s database-surfing found $32.2 million in tax-exempt money pouring into various gun control pockets during the past decade. George Soros’ Open Society Institute, for example, gave $600,000 to the Tides Foundation in 2002, “To support the donor advised fund for the Funders’ Collaborative for Gun Violence Prevention.”

Workman said, “Gun control has its donor advised funds and funders’ collaboratives and city-funded parasites, but I rarely see such coordination among gun rights donors.”

ref: http://www.knowthelies.com/node/7651 </div></div>

Whoa, I like to think I follow gun rights pretty closely and am a very active member of our local gun rights group but I haven't heard a peep about this MAIG. Thanks for the heads up! Anything to do with Agenda 21 is scary stuff, we have a huge Agenda 21 group right here in town and they've got money and a fair amount of influence. </div></div>

PM Sent

 

[Maggot]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

 

[Maggot]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

 

[bassani]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

the crazy people that want to kill people will kill them regardless of an assault weapon ban. If that guy in Colorado had walked in there with sword, he probably would have mortally wounded more people than he did with his firearm.

 

[Tripwire]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

Complete dissarmanent is the goal....even if it takes a thousand little laws or bans to get there.

Vote Freedom, or prepare to live with Tyranny.........

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

Stop this political pontification crap, right now!

Blabbering and posturing on the Internet never saved the day, any day.

Get out off the butt, go see the people, and work their votes. As much as I like The 'Hide, we're not getting any of that done here while we run our mouths and run our heyboards.

Greg

 

[Maggot]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

Do you really think that what happens on NOV.2 really matters. If you do youre sadly deceived. Whoever is elected will do <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-style: italic"> EXACTLY</span> </span> as they are told by the powers behind the throne. If not ...WELL REMEMBER JFK. George Wallace knew in '68'. "Not a dimes worth of difference."

 

[HD1911]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you really think that what happens on NOV.2 really matters. If you do youre sadly deceived. Whoever is elected will do <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-style: italic"> EXACTLY</span> </span> as they are told by the powers behind the throne. If not ...WELL REMEMBER JFK. George Wallace knew in '68'. "Not a dimes worth of difference."
</div></div>

It's unfortunate, but I must agree with you.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you really think that what happens on NOV.2 really matters. If you do youre sadly deceived. Whoever is elected will do <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-style: italic"> EXACTLY</span> </span> as they are told by the powers behind the throne. If not ...WELL REMEMBER JFK. George Wallace knew in '68'. "Not a dimes worth of difference."
</div></div>

You're right dude... so do nothing because it's all pointless right? There's no reason to exercise your rights or opinions. Or maybe that's what got this Country to where it's at now man... lethargic and sheepish..

 

[Inogame]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you really think that what happens on NOV.2 really matters. If you do youre sadly deceived. Whoever is elected will do <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-style: italic"> EXACTLY</span> </span> as they are told by the powers behind the throne. If not ...WELL REMEMBER JFK. George Wallace knew in '68'. "Not a dimes worth of difference."
</div></div>

You're right dude... so do nothing because it's all pointless right? There's no reason to exercise your rights or opinions. Or maybe that's what got this Country to where it's at now man... lethargic and sheepish.. </div></div>


+1

 

[Maggot]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you really think that what happens on NOV.2 really matters. If you do youre sadly deceived. Whoever is elected will do <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-style: italic"> EXACTLY</span> </span> as they are told by the powers behind the throne. If not ...WELL REMEMBER JFK. George Wallace knew in '68'. "Not a dimes worth of difference."
</div></div>

You're right dude... so do nothing because it's all pointless right? There's no reason to exercise your rights or opinions. Or maybe that's what got this Country to where it's at now man... lethargic and sheepish.. </div></div>

Show me where I said "Do nothing".

 

[-Nick-]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Do you really think that what happens on NOV.2 really matters. If you do youre sadly deceived.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">
"Not a dimes worth of difference."</span>
</div></div>



Show me where I said "Do nothing". </div></div>

Really man? Telling people whatever they do won't make a difference is the same as saying you might as well do nothing. Did you say it ver batum though? No...

 

[tbird1960]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

If you want to donate money give to the NRA. The only real voice we have. The Congress think they are Royalty that is why they are not on Medicare or Social Security, and the pres thinks he is king.

 

[Guy Montag]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tbird1960</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you want to donate money give to the NRA. The only real voice we have. </div></div>

No thank you, and the NRA is NOT the only game in town.

There's MANY other organizations that do a helluva lot better job of 2nd Amendment advocacy than the NRA.

 

[Maggot]

Re: This assault weapons ban CANNOT pass!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Do you really think that what happens on NOV.2 really matters. If you do youre sadly deceived.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">
"Not a dimes worth of difference."</span>
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Show me where I said "Do nothing". </div></div>


Really man? Telling people whatever they do won't make a difference is the same as saying you might as well do nothing. Did you say it ver batum though? No... </div></div>

Sorry for you, but your still wrong. You need to improve your reading comprehension.There are, of course things we can do, and in many theatres. What I said is that what will happen on a certain day, and certain time, will make little to no difference. I never siaid "Do nothing". Kapish. Most of the things that can be done have been in one way or another discussed here, like ending the Federal Reserve system and removeing the parasites who run it. Then return to the gold standard. Next return to a direct election, getting rid of the sham called the electoral college. Then there is finding men who put honor above profit. Most of the rest are not topics for public discussion.

 

[Tough Guy]

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Looks like my last post was right on cue. Even the NRA is making big money thanks to Obama.

Gun industry thrives during Obama's term in office

<span style="font-weight: bold">http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...-in-office?lite</span>

Quick guys let's all go out and vote for the BIG O, he's good for the gun business.

 

[Veer_G]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOUGHGUY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Quick guys let's all go out and vote for the BIG O, he's good for the gun business.
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The trick is to get them to stay right where they are when they've flip-flopped to your side of any argument.

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Do you really think that what happens on NOV.2 really matters. If you do youre sadly deceived.</span>
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"Not a dimes worth of difference."</span>
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Show me where I said "Do nothing". </div></div>


Really man? Telling people whatever they do won't make a difference is the same as saying you might as well do nothing. Did you say it ver batum though? No... </div></div>

Sorry for you, but your still wrong. You need to improve your reading comprehension.There are, of course things we can do, and in many theatres. What I said is that what will happen on a certain day, and certain time, will make little to no difference. I never siaid "Do nothing". Kapish. Most of the things that can be done have been in one way or another discussed here, like ending the Federal Reserve system and removeing the parasites who run it. Then return to the gold standard. Next return to a direct election, getting rid of the sham called the electoral college. Then there is finding men who put honor above profit. Most of the rest are not topics for public discussion.
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I think what he is saying is that you comment referring to Nov 2 not making a "Dimes" difference implied that getting out and voting on the 2nd of November will do nothing to help and what is the point of voting. That is what I took from the post. After reading your last post I don't feel this is what you meant originally, but we did not know that at the time of your post that referred to Nov. 2nd.

 

[Maggot]

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Surgeon, clarified. Thanks.

 

[Queequeg]

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The election is on the 6th of November.

The choice is clear: One will certainly enact a gun ban, he admitted as much on Tuesday night: the other may.

One would do so with no interference from media while the other will have nothing but from the very beginning of his term.

No question which way I'm voting if protection of all my constitutional rights are desired.

No one honestly believes it ends at the voting booth do they?

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stop this political pontification crap, right now!

Blabbering and posturing on the Internet never saved the day, any day.

Get out off the butt, go see the people, and work their votes. As much as I like The 'Hide, we're not getting any of that done here while we run our mouths and run our heyboards.

Greg </div></div>

+1

100% right.

Getting on and posting on public forums is doing something, not a lot, but it is something. It does help! My first post in this thread proves just that. I posted and spoke about "MAIG Mayors Against Illegal Guns." HighBinder came on and stated that, even though he is very active when it comes to the 2nd amendment and the Constitution, he new absolutely nothing about this group "MAIG." From my simple post, HighBinder will take that information and pass it along to his community meetings. Now is posting, like I did, enough? Yes, if that is all that you can do. Some people do not feel that is enough, and in a lot of ways they are absolutely right. Those of us that can do more, should do more.

But I would feel safe in saying that a large percentage do leave it at that, posting behind a screen name, FaceBook, Tweeter, etc. We have to do more, those of us that can. Most of the members here are most likely members of the NRA, some may not be and they have their reasons. Not donating money to groups like the NRA does not, and should not, indicate that a person is less of a supporter of the 2nd amendment and the U.S. Constitution. The economy is in bad shape and some folks financial situation may not allow them the luxury of donating money to groups like the NRA. But there are other things that can be done to support the cause of "Liberty" that does not require money donations. Sit down and bombard our legislators with constant e-mails. Bombard them so much that they know your e-mail address by heart. Not just your legislators either, hit them all across the country. Get informed about groups like "MAIG" & spread the word. Send e-mails to all of those mayors and let them know that you are aware of their stance on Gun Control. Let them know that you are going to do everything with in your power (peacefully & legally) to make sure that they are not re-elected for another term or hold any other public office. Be a whistle blower!! Organize peaceful public demonstrations at your city and state offices. Organize peaceful demonstrations in cities where these mayors are, that are associated with "MAIG", and let the hole city/town know exactly where they're mayor stands on the 2nd Amendment and the Constitution.

Get out and vote and be informed about the candidates that are running. Educate yourselves about where the candidates stands on the Constitution, the 2nd amendment, the 1rst amendment, were do they stand on "Welfare Programs", what is their record for the spending of tax payers money, were do they stand on foreign affairs. Then e-mail your friends and/or your mailing lists the information that you discover. Create a mailing list, people outside of your circle, to help keep people informed, show up at public demonstrations (PEACEFUL), etc. There are so many things that we can do that does not involve the spending of money. But what ever it is, at least do something. If all a person can do is post information on FaceBook, Twitter, or public forums like this, is fine. You never know, the information that you post up may not be known by many of the people that read it. The rest of us, like HighBinder for example, will carry that information further down the line and put that information to further use.

 

[Veer_G]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No one honestly believes it ends at the voting booth do they? </div></div>

Unfortunately, they may very well take the last vestiges of the Republic from some cold, dead hands.

 

[aur0ra145]

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+1 on grass roots

I post a lot of politically motivated stories and write some opinion stuff on Facebook and include about everyone I know in it.

At first, a few ppl responded, then no one commented, liked or anything... Come to talk to 25+ of them after I had been writing a while; they all said, since I started posting things, they've started reading my articles and forwarding them to a lot of their friends. Most said it motivated them to get informed on different topics I was bringing up, notably the conflict between Japan and China - there are treaty implications between us and Japan which we will either have to honor OR end up loosing face in a very bad way on a global scale.

Additionally, these people started talking to others. Which is what it's all about.

Keep yourself and your friends informed, long live the republic.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

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Surgeon;

Great post, I get you loud and clear. I vent here too; a lot. Serves a purpose, maybe more useful to me than to others, but I need some of that too.

I just think The 'Hide could and should be more than simply a soapbox on matters of true importance. If all we do is bat our gums, tap our keyboards, and it all stops here; we're missing the target. It kinda like not being able to find our own asses with both hands.

I also get it when LL draws his definition of what's politics, and why it doesn't belong here. His house, his call, and I'm behind it anyway; it's a good policy.

I take that definition to mean partisan politics, and I try to leave the parties and candidates' names out of my own personal mix.

Truth told, I'm not such a huge fan of either individual right now. But I gotta vote and that means I gotta choose. So I do; tune in elsewhere for the particulars.

Here, for me; it's about the process and its implications. QQ makes good points so I don't have to.

I used to be one of those memorable EMail addresses. I stopped because I realized I was talking to the wall. Like, my Reps, people like Chuckyboy and the Hillibeast/Gillibeast, are gonna wise up and get religion just on my say-so?

I dig the bit about representative government; but sometimes, they just won't do as you ask, no matter how politely and how often you ask. This may come as a shock to some, but I'm really not into just hearing the sound of my own voice. After awhile, folks just sorta tune some other folks out, and I see no real advantage to shouldering may wy into that particular line.

So, while I may make the occasional passionate appeal here; this is not where we get our bang for our buck. Preaching to the choir just makes for progressively deafer choirs, and we all know what that does for the hymns in general, right?

Gotta get out there, look your fellow voters in the eye, and ask them whether they really like drinkin' The Ole Kool=Aide, or is it all just because they can't find anything more nutritious to be suckin' down (...and don't say 'Brewsky').

I know it's no great fun to be pokin' your buds in the chests and tellin' 'em they're being gullible. But they are, and we have what we have because, honestly, it's a daunting task, it's really not gonna work all that much, and folks gotta stop and watch the NASCAR anyway. I mean, thinking for ourselves is <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">JUST SO..., HARD</span></span>, right? Sure...

But personally, for the next coupla weeks, it just may pay to say, "Screw NASCAR, I got a mark to make on face of my own country. If not me, then who? (Whom?)"

Good question, eh?

We're not gonna hang onto our guns by hunkering down with NASCAR and a brewsky.

...and honestly, if it's all just about the guns to us, doesn't that make us all shallow and kinda just like the rest of the one track minded one-trick ponies who elect our governments?

We gotta do better than that. We gotta do better than we've <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">been</span></span> doing. Look around, do I really gotta tell y'all that it hasn't been working all funky-dorie for a long time now?

It's not just me. I've been voting since 1968, America <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">has</span></span> gone downhill since then, and <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">we</span></span> did it to ourselves. Break out of that mold, or get buried in it.

Greg

 

[Maggot]

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[Prebanpaul]

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Did anyone watch the debates. There will not be a U.S ban again. He is going with the U.N. band so that no one then will have the power to over turn

 

[Tough Guy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Prebanpaul</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did anyone watch the debates. There will not be a U.S ban again. He is going with the U.N. band so that no one then will have the power to over turn </div></div>

Phooey Louie... how do you people dream up this BS.

 

[Swift]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Surgeon;

Great post, I get you loud and clear. I vent here too; a lot. Serves a purpose, maybe more useful to me than to others, but I need some of that too.

I just think The 'Hide could and should be more than simply a soapbox on matters of true importance. If all we do is bat our gums, tap our keyboards, and it all stops here; we're missing the target. It kinda like not being able to find our own asses with both hands.

I also get it when LL draws his definition of what's politics, and why it doesn't belong here. His house, his call, and I'm behind it anyway; it's a good policy.

I take that definition to mean partisan politics, and I try to leave the parties and candidates' names out of my own personal mix.

Truth told, I'm not such a huge fan of either individual right now. But I gotta vote and that means I gotta choose. So I do; tune in elsewhere for the particulars.

Here, for me; it's about the process and its implications. QQ makes good points so I don't have to.

I used to be one of those memorable EMail addresses. I stopped because I realized I was talking to the wall. Like, my Reps, people like Chuckyboy and the Hillibeast/Gillibeast, are gonna wise up and get religion just on my say-so?

I dig the bit about representative government; but sometimes, they just won't do as you ask, no matter how politely and how often you ask. This may come as a shock to some, but I'm really not into just hearing the sound of my own voice. After awhile, folks just sorta tune some other folks out, and I see no real advantage to shouldering may wy into that particular line.

So, while I may make the occasional passionate appeal here; this is not where we get our bang for our buck. Preaching to the choir just makes for progressively deafer choirs, and we all know what that does for the hymns in general, right?

Gotta get out there, look your fellow voters in the eye, and ask them whether they really like drinkin' The Ole Kool=Aide, or is it all just because they can't find anything more nutritious to be suckin' down (...and don't say 'Brewsky').

I know it's no great fun to be pokin' your buds in the chests and tellin' 'em they're being gullible. But they are, and we have what we have because, honestly, it's a daunting task, it's really not gonna work all that much, and folks gotta stop and watch the NASCAR anyway. I mean, thinking for ourselves is <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">JUST SO..., HARD</span></span>, right? Sure...

But personally, for the next coupla weeks, it just may pay to say, "Screw NASCAR, I got a mark to make on face of my own country. If not me, then who? (Whom?)"

Good question, eh?

We're not gonna hang onto our guns by hunkering down with NASCAR and a brewsky.

...and honestly, if it's all just about the guns to us, doesn't that make us all shallow and kinda just like the rest of the one track minded one-trick ponies who elect our governments?

We gotta do better than that. We gotta do better than we've <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">been</span></span> doing. Look around, do I really gotta tell y'all that it hasn't been working all funky-dorie for a long time now?

It's not just me. I've been voting since 1968, America <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">has</span></span> gone downhill since then, and <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">we</span></span> did it to ourselves. Break out of that mold, or get buried in it.

Greg </div></div>

Greg, I agree with everything you said. This wasn't meant as an Obama bash as much as it was a call to arms, if you will, and I'm glad it remained civil as well as educational. Many folks do stop at the screen name and sometimes you have to remind them that this is, and will be, a constant battle. I get as involved as I know how; 2nd Amendment benefits, donations, letters to state and local politicians, etc. and I want to remind people that it doesn't take much effort to get your voice heard but it's echoes ring loud.

In hindsight, my initial post was brash but I was really irritated by the circumstances. Burnt out on the elections and found out I lost a job opportunity of a lifetime for no reason other than elections and the volatility of the industry to follow.

These elections couldn't be over soon enough. I can't remember a more taxing, unimpressive campaign race that made me excited to get back to the <span style="font-style: italic">regular</span> news

 

[The Surgeons Ghost]

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I think what scares me more than anything is:


• People who receive welfare checks for housing, food, cell phone, etc that do not even need the welfare, becoming the majority

• People that are happy with the status quo, becoming the majority

• People who care nothing about the U.S. Constitution, what it took to get it, and what it has taken to keep it, becoming the majority

• People that are happy with the Government checks, becoming the majority

• People who do not care to work to better their lives, becoming the majority

• Conservatives and all the folks that are the exact opposite, of what I have just described above, becoming in the minority

This, above all else, scars the living hell out of me. Because we, (Conservatives, Defenders of the Constitution, Defenders of Liberty, Working folks, Good Ol' Boys, 2nd Amendment supporters, etc {You get my point}) are slowly becoming just that, the MINORITY. Because when that happens, we are going to be in a world of shit.

Think about it. It would hard as heck to convince someone who had half their house pymt provided by the government, their food bought by the government, a cell phone provided by the government, the list goes on and on. All of which don't have to work and all they have to do is walk to the mailbox to collect their check, . But you get my point.

I am a firm believer that the 2nd Amendment will be one of the last to go. We are loosing our 1rst Amendment bit by bit every day. NDAA, well you know what parts of the Constitution that breaks.

I know some folks are afraid to say this for fear of persecution, but I am preparing for the worst and hoping/praying for the best. For those of you that are Christians, we know what the Bible tells us. We, us and this world that we know now, are not getting out of this. So the Shit will hit the fan at some point. Just how much of that we are going to see/go through? Don't know. I know were I'll be when it is done.

Off Topic:

I am not trying to push my religion onto folks, I am just stating what "I believe in."

 

[Greg Langelius *]

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Things are as they are and as they will be, and are never going to be anything we pine for.

We're not going to change anything, that requires access to power that is so inscrutibly commingled and unwieldy that nobody has an effective lever on it anymore. That lever passed beyond reach long ago, the train no longer has its engineer, it is run by a committee.

This is a consequence of overpopulation, and will never be resolved until that overpopulation ceases. Growing population and growing communication are an environmental challenge that humanity does not have the time in which to evolve into an effective adaptation. It will be our undoing.

There will be an election, somebody will win, somebody will lose, and for us folks at the bottom of the food chain, either outcome will be essentially indistinguishable.

Teach yourself and your children not to save the world, but to survive in it come what may. Grasp the wisdom of the roaches.

Don Quixote had his honor and was ultimately impotent. Therein lies the entire moral to that and many other contemporary folktales.

The world savers are the problem, and nullifying their reach into your own world is the solution.

Trying to accomplish anything beyond that is simply an exercise in assuring that your reach will always exceed your grasp.

In the coming days, it will pay to simplify your life right on down to the barest essentials.

I already know that with my dependence on an outside source of pharmaceuticals, I will not be coming out the other end of whatever lies beyond what's likely coming.

In order to achieve success in anything, one is constrained to build their achievements upon a foundation of truth and reality.

Greg