I say that we should immediately invade Mexico, and hell, why not Canada as well... I hate all those drug pushing (Mexican Cartels, Canadian Pharmaceutical Companies) bastards anyways... let's do this, sign me up! Leeeeeeeeerrrrooooyyy Jenkins!
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This could be interesting. Cartels making overt threats in our borders.
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I say that we should immediately invade Mexico, and hell, why not Canada as well... I hate all those drug pushing (Mexican Cartels, Canadian Pharmaceutical Companies) bastards anyways... let's do this, sign me up! Leeeeeeeeerrrrooooyyy Jenkins!
Some very exceptional people succumb to addiction. What made Dr Carson's mother exceptional? Education? Superior IQ? IMO it was attitude. Both my parents were drop-outs in the early '50s; Dad made it through eighth grade, Mom through the ninth. Both worked long hours for not a lot of pay. Somehow they managed to feed and clothe themselves and two boys. Built and paid for a house and never took a dime of "gubermint money." All they were ever promised was an opportunity to try. My parents never earned enough to rise above the so-called poverty line, but my brother and I never lacked anything. We never knew we were (financially) poor. Somehow they even managed to save money for retirement.
Everyone does. Some folks have a more, greater, easier access to, etc., opportunity, but that has been the case since before we left the caves. You tell someone often enough they "deserve" something, you'll never convince them to work for it.
No disagreement there, but it does beg the question, "What is the most abused drug in the US?"
Painfully obviously.
Honestly I think it should all be legal. Politicians could line their pockets something fierce if they played it right. Roughly Id imagine you see the same players, wouldnt be a whole lot different than the type of guys you see who down a fifth of vodka everyday or multiple times a day. You cant ever tell me there is a drug on god`s green planet that is worse than good ole ethanol. Lets talk addiction for a second here, have yall ever seen a man in the throes of DTs? Jesus god almighty. You name it: crack and meth nor any stimulant will come close to producing withdrawal effects of alcohol. Even the big bad heroin and other opioid withdrawals arent as bad as alcohol, though no cakewalk to be sure(<<understatement). Atleast with those you can go cold-turkey and not worry that you could possibly die. The only thing that is truly as bad as alcohol are benzodiazepines(eg: xanax), barbiturates, and other assorted sedative-hypnotics like Quaaludes. You get thrust into the middle of withdrawal with any one of those and it could very well be a life-threatening situation. We dont even have to talk about Delerium Tremens. If you have seen these things, or experienced them, you know exactly what Im saying here. I laugh at people who say they are withdrawing from any type of stimulant, all the while sleeping their life away and gorging out on food. Try doing either of those after a year-long booze binge and you realize the futility. Thats not even close to suffering lol. Other than that, I rest my case. As far as directly harmful effects, the worst of the worst is already legal.
For some reason it clipped half of my post, but I mentioned that in there. Benzodiazepines(eg: xanax), barbiturates, quaaludes(methaqualone), and a whole bunch of other assorted sedative-hypnotics pretty much have very similar intoxicating effects as alcohol and consequently have very similar withdrawal symptoms. Its kinda funny though huh? Not a single one of those demonized schedule I drugs(crack, meth, heroin, marijuana, etc) will cause life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, yet alcohol and a majority of the legal or formerly legal prescription sedative-hypnotics will. Opioid withdrawals can be hell, sure, but at least you can cut it cold turkey with the right will power and circumstances and never have to worry about your safety or seizures. In comparison to opioids or alcohol, withdrawal from a stimulant could hardly be considered suffering. Atleast one can eat and sleep. Make no mistake though, street meth is some of the most damaging stuff a person can come up with. That stuff will absolutely steal your soul.
At one time they were spraying, not sure what chemical but it made for a good story. Now all we hear is how they have record level crops.
Best to keep the media out of war zones.
As for the border, I would have to agree with the above post, they can do what they want.
Pablo Escabar also though that, a little twin engine plane kept flying over and over and over, aka "Guardian" and soon Pablo was executed by a Navy SEAL.
Gene H ackman said it best in "Enemy of The State" - if you are big you are s low, if you are small you are fast.
The bigger an organization gets, the more political it gets, maybe it takes over the country and legitimizes things, but current politics don't seem to have an interest in squaring away any problems we have, in fact they keep feeding weapons south of the border...
Strange world we live in.
Legalize it, tax it, and k eep the prices low and half of that problem goes away.
Besides, the Cartel has recently found that mining ORE is more profitable...
I know a few alcoholics, they don't break i nto people's houses to steal something that may be worth a grand, to later sell for a $40 bag.
Meth, Heroine, all those users, they do. That's the majority of burglaries where I live, mostlyi meth.
I also don't know a lot of women that will sell their b ody for the next drink, we lost a good student in our dojo to Heroine but she's doing OK now, making a good living as a prostitute. Very sad to see such a hopeful young woman turn into a scab ridden $20 whore.
Im not one to deny a good point when I see it. However, in my experience crime begets more crime. Without that stuff being illegal, I doubt those people would have been involved in the circles or groups affiliated with those activities. You also dont hear of prescription addicts breaking into homes to get their script filled, but I guarantee you, in fact I would bet a whole year`s worth of paychecks, that if you were given a blind test, with equivalent doses of oxycodone and heroin(theyre roughly the same potency and duration anyway) you would not be able to point out which was which. You could do the exact same thing with Methamphetamine and Dextroamphetamine(aka Dexedrine), not a whisper of difference in their effects. The ONLY notable difference is that one is legal via prescription and the other is not.
There is also something to be said for a person`s character. Some people let it absolutely control them and throw morals by the wayside. Others will suffer the consequences before they do wrong to another human being. I hesitate to go further, but I have seen firsthand that there is a number of people who will sit and take the beating before they sell out and do something awful. I have also seen the other side of the coin, former high school classmate recently got killed in the process of trying to rob a drug dealer. I was somewhat friends with this guy at one point in time, when I cared less, and I still say the world is better off without the both of them. His vision may have been fogged by the meth cravings, but he ultimately knew what he was doing. The thing is, people like that were bad before the drugs, they just had not yet been pushed hard or far enough. When they are pushed though, their true self shows its colors. Instead of getting a job, the first thing that comes to mind for them is trying to rob somebody. The drugs may have facilitated the decision, but you cant say the drugs are actually thinking for the person.
There is also something to be said for a person`s character. Some people let it absolutely control them and throw morals by the wayside. Others will suffer the consequences before they do wrong to another human being. I hesitate to go further, but I have seen firsthand that there is a number of people who will sit and take the beating before they sell out and do something awful. I have also seen the other side of the coin, former high school classmate recently got killed in the process of trying to rob a drug dealer. I was somewhat friends with this guy at one point in time, when I cared less, and I still say the world is better off without the both of them. His vision may have been fogged by the meth cravings, but he ultimately knew what he was doing. The thing is, people like that were bad before the drugs, they just had not yet been pushed hard or far enough. When they are pushed though, their true self shows its colors. Instead of getting a job, the first thing that comes to mind for them is trying to rob somebody. The drugs may have facilitated the decision, but you cant say the drugs are actually thinking for the person.
You obviously haven't met the Newfie Battalion, have you? If you check back, the only reason why the Newf's haven't taken over the U.S. yet, is that they don't have enough room on their rock to house all of the captured soldiers. Tread carefully, we know where your water and hydro comes from.
Exactly what I mean. It all really depends on the person`s character as I said above. Theres some out there, believe it or not, that simply will not do any unnecessary illegal activity or morally wrong things no matter how bad off they get. Obviously those are the ones you very rarely or never hear about, theyre not out there doing stupid crimes/robberies/etc and getting caught. With meth though, Id say that number is quite low. In comparison to opioid users, a large majority of the meth heads Ive come across ended up turning bad if they werent already bad. When I say bad, I mean there are very few things that are out of the question if it means making a buck. As I said, that stuff will steal your soul. It brings out the evil in a person. Mind you its not totally the drug, the person obviously had to have that "option" in their mind to begin with, but that stuff will bring out of a person quicker than anything else. When you combine that with the several hour hyper-thinking and rush of ideas, they eventually come up with an idea they mean to see through and if the person in question is hanging around a bunch of bad news type people that idea is usually not a good or legal one.
One must also take into account the environment; instead of getting a script from a doctor/pharmacy, they are getting it from a drug dealer and being exposed to some bad or really bad folks they normally would not associate with, and consequently those folks` "ideas" on the next perfect get-rich-quick scheme.
Even after seeing some of this nonsense firsthand, I still say there are no easy answers. Though I would predict that making most of the crap available by prescription would be a step in the right direction. Obviously the government could tax it to death and make quite the sum off that. Not sure if that would offset the money theyre making off the drug "war" already though...
Nothing at all, I'd do it as a gigilo if I knew I could make some good money
I would rather see a woman collecting pay as a prostitute than collecting a welfare check as a brood mare welfare queen.
I can assure you, without a doubt that dopers DO indeed commit burglaries for hydrocodone, xanax and other prescription drugs.
I can also assure you there is a very healthy aftermarket for hydro, oxycontin, xanax etc...
They go down the line to the plethora of "pain clinics", get multiple prescriptions and sell their scripts, then they frequently report them stolen, get a refill and sell again or hold that for personal use.
Watch this: The Oxycontin Express - Watch Free Documentary Online
Or American Addict on Netflix.
Dopers ARE committing crimes to fuel their prescription drug habits.
One of the last DWI's I worked, the driver plowed into a car in front of him that was stopped at a light. I recovered two large baggies, one filled with carisprodol 350 mg (a very powerful muscle relaxer) and the other was hydrocodone.
He had been taking both, could barely stand on his own and couldn't hold a thought for more than a couple of seconds.
Prescription drug abuse is not harmless.
Prescription drugs are easily the worst drugs on the street. I can think of many many people I knew growing up who got in legal trouble, died and killed for prescription drugs. I gave my cousin a black eye and bloody nose because he told this junky bitch about my grandparents having fentinol(sp) in their home. I went to school with a boy and girl who ended up killing her grandparents over prescription drugs they were robbing them for.
If you think it cant move north....Tamulipas, Coahuila, and Nuevo Leon, are border states.
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican officials say they have seized iron ore worth $70 million from a drug cartel that controlled much of the trade in the western state of Michoacan.
Alfredo Castillo, the federal envoy to the violence-wracked state, said Tuesday the seizures from loading patios and ships since late year amount to about 720,000 metric tons of ore.
Castillo said it would require thousands of heavy trucks to move that amount of ore.
The Knights Templar cartel became heavily involved in operating mines, robbing shipments or extorting ore or money from mining companies and federal officials have begun inspecting and shutting down illegally operated mines in the cartel's former strongholds.
For several years, the cartel's presence made it too dangerous to inspect those mines. But a joint offensive by federal forces and vigilantes who rose up in arms against the cartel last year have chased cartel gunmen out of many areas they once controlled.
Federal environmental inspectors said Tuesday they had closed two mines in the Knights Templar's stronghold in the mountain township of Arteaga, and seized an additional 98,671 tons of ore there. Inspectors also seized 36 trucks, ore crushers and other pieces of heavy equipment.
The Attorney General's Office for Environmental Protection said the mines had either been opened or expanded illegally in forested areas.
Federal authorities have said much of the ore was exported to China through the state's Pacific coast seaports.
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican officials say they have seized iron ore worth $70 million from a drug cartel that controlled much of the trade in the western state of Michoacan.
Alfredo Castillo, the federal envoy to the violence-wracked state, said Tuesday the seizures from loading patios and ships since late year amount to about 720,000 metric tons of ore.
Castillo said it would require thousands of heavy trucks to move that amount of ore.
The Knights Templar cartel became heavily involved in operating mines, robbing shipments or extorting ore or money from mining companies and federal officials have begun inspecting and shutting down illegally operated mines in the cartel's former strongholds.
For several years, the cartel's presence made it too dangerous to inspect those mines. But a joint offensive by federal forces and vigilantes who rose up in arms against the cartel last year have chased cartel gunmen out of many areas they once controlled.
Federal environmental inspectors said Tuesday they had closed two mines in the Knights Templar's stronghold in the mountain township of Arteaga, and seized an additional 98,671 tons of ore there. Inspectors also seized 36 trucks, ore crushers and other pieces of heavy equipment.
The Attorney General's Office for Environmental Protection said the mines had either been opened or expanded illegally in forested areas.
Federal authorities have said much of the ore was exported to China through the state's Pacific coast seaports.
And.....
Oil shale drillers in Texas have had to contend with environmental opposition and soaring costs. A few miles south of the border in Mexico, Angel Torrez and co-workers duck gunfire sprayed from drug traffickers.
When gunmen pulled up in April in a makeshift tank and riddled the Hotel Asya with bullets, Torrez dropped to the floor. After the attack, the 21-year-old machine operator for Weatherford International Ltd. and his crew of about 30 left town under police escort. Ciudad Mier, in the gas-rich region along the Texas border known as the Burgos Basin, had already become a ghost town after most of its inhabitants had fled following years of bloodshed.
“My girlfriend says she doesn’t want me here,” Torrez said as he rested on a bench outside his new hotel a few miles away, dressed in a red boiler suit and work boots. “I tell her I have to work, there’s no other option.”
Torrez’s predicament reveals the challenge facing Mexico as it attempts to replicate the kind of shale bonanza taking place in Texas. As thousands of troops battle a recent surge of violence by drug traffickers and fuel thieves, lawmakers 450 miles (720 kilometers) away in Mexico City are preparing rules to allow foreign companies to drill for the first time since 1938. Drilling in Mexico would seem a natural next move for the thousands of wildcatters who have brought a boom to Texas, yet until the violence abates that’s not likely to happen.
Photographer: Susana Gonzalez/Bloomberg
Enrique Pena Nieto, Mexico's president. After 15 years of congressional gridlock on... Read More
Mexico Shale
“Shale will not take off in Mexico like it did in Texas in the near future,” Dwight Dyer, a senior analyst at the consulting company Control Risks, said by telephone from Mexico City. “Unless the security situation along the northeastern border improves significantly, smaller companies will probably take their time before jumping in.”
The Eagle Ford sedimentary rock formation underlying much of southern Texas also extends into northern Mexico’s Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon and Coahuila states. While conventional fields that don’t require hydraulic fracturing, like the one Torrez’s crew is servicing, have been exploited for decades, just 18 shale wells have been drilled south of the border. All have been in partnership with the state oil company Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex.
North of the border, scores of wildcatters such as Pioneer Natural Resources Co., Chesapeake Energy Corp., and Chestnut Exploration & Production Inc. have been responsible for accelerating the shale boom. These companies have had to overcome myriad hurdles stemming from intense opposition from environmentalists and communities over waste water pollution to spiraling costs. Spending on U.S. exploration and production is poised to rise 8.5 percent this year, according to a Barclays Plc report.
War Zone
Even though considerable, those obstacles pale in comparison to levels of violence in Tamaulipas that sometimes resemble a war zone. While Chestnut would be interested in looking at opportunities in Mexico at some stage, it won’t be among the first to enter, Chairman Mark Plummer said from Dallas. Security is one of the turnoffs.
“There’s a big difference between Laredo and Nuevo Laredo, but once you get underneath the ground, it’s all the same,” he said, referring to the cities on either side of the border. “Hopefully over time some of that will subside.”
Gun battles raged this spring, with dozens shot dead on highways and businesses burnt down in the Gulf of Mexico port city of Tampico. The capture of a Gulf Cartel founder and arrest last year of Zetas chief Miguel Trevino left a power vacuum that’s renewing fighting between the two groups, and within the Gulf Cartel.
Legislative Overhaul
Congressional committees are drafting regulations to implement last year’s legislative overhaul that broke a 75-year state monopoly on oil, with the ruling party pushing to vote through the rules by mid-July.
After 15 years of congressional gridlock on energy reform, President Enrique Pena Nieto was able to push through a more extensive oil law than many investors expected, allowing companies to drill independently in Mexico. Bank of America Corp. estimates it will boost foreign investment by $20 billion a year as soon as 2015.
Violence notwithstanding, shale deposits are the “low-hanging fruit,” with new exploration expected as soon as the second half of the year, according to Victor Herrera, managing director of Latin America at Standard & Poor’s. The legislative overhaul comes as output at Cantarell, the nation’s largest oilfield when it was discovered, is down almost 90 percent since it began production in 1979.
Pemex Shale
Still, even Pemex, which has pushed ahead with some shale drilling, is fending off fuel thieves siphoning gasoline and condensates. Bunkering, as the thefts are known, led to a pipeline blast in the state of Puebla that killed 28 people and injured 52 in 2010.
The crime wave has also been hitting the national oil company’s bottom line. More than $300 million in stolen natural gas condensate from the Burgos basin was smuggled across the U.S. border by drug cartels from 2006 to 2010, according to a lawsuit filed by Pemex in a Houston federal court in 2010.
Many of Burgos’s wells are on unpaved roads off a highway running parallel to the Rio Grande less than a mile from the border. Highway 2 is notorious for violent attacks, narco-blockades and disappearances as rival gangs seek to secure drug routes to the U.S. Sorghum farmers in 18-wheelers share the two-lane blacktop with souped-up pickups acting as drug scouts. Few other vehicles were on the road one May afternoon.
Army Presence
Pena Nieto beefed up the army presence in Tamaulipas last month, where soldiers are escorting Burgos workers like Torrez to and from their wells. As it turns out, none of the Weatherford oil workers were injured in the April attack as a black Chevy Silverado fitted with steel sheets and dual wheels, known as a monster truck, pumped the dome-roofed Asya with about 20 rifle blasts. Weatherford believes the assault was unrelated to the workers’ presence, a company spokesperson said.
Since the shooting, police have captured and killed cartel leaders and tracked down the men who shot at Torrez’s hotel, pumping their vehicle with over 200 rounds. At least four men were killed as they tried to flee the makeshift tank.
“It does raise the cost of doing business when you have to face the threats of kidnapping and extortion,” said Duncan Wood, director of the Mexico Institute at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington. “For the bigger companies that’s not a big deal, but for the smaller companies, it is something they have to factor in.”
Oil shale drillers in Texas have had to contend with environmental opposition and soaring costs. A few miles south of the border in Mexico, Angel Torrez and co-workers duck gunfire sprayed from drug traffickers.
When gunmen pulled up in April in a makeshift tank and riddled the Hotel Asya with bullets, Torrez dropped to the floor. After the attack, the 21-year-old machine operator for Weatherford International Ltd. and his crew of about 30 left town under police escort. Ciudad Mier, in the gas-rich region along the Texas border known as the Burgos Basin, had already become a ghost town after most of its inhabitants had fled following years of bloodshed.
“My girlfriend says she doesn’t want me here,” Torrez said as he rested on a bench outside his new hotel a few miles away, dressed in a red boiler suit and work boots. “I tell her I have to work, there’s no other option.”
Torrez’s predicament reveals the challenge facing Mexico as it attempts to replicate the kind of shale bonanza taking place in Texas. As thousands of troops battle a recent surge of violence by drug traffickers and fuel thieves, lawmakers 450 miles (720 kilometers) away in Mexico City are preparing rules to allow foreign companies to drill for the first time since 1938. Drilling in Mexico would seem a natural next move for the thousands of wildcatters who have brought a boom to Texas, yet until the violence abates that’s not likely to happen.
Photographer: Susana Gonzalez/Bloomberg
Enrique Pena Nieto, Mexico's president. After 15 years of congressional gridlock on... Read More
Mexico Shale
“Shale will not take off in Mexico like it did in Texas in the near future,” Dwight Dyer, a senior analyst at the consulting company Control Risks, said by telephone from Mexico City. “Unless the security situation along the northeastern border improves significantly, smaller companies will probably take their time before jumping in.”
The Eagle Ford sedimentary rock formation underlying much of southern Texas also extends into northern Mexico’s Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon and Coahuila states. While conventional fields that don’t require hydraulic fracturing, like the one Torrez’s crew is servicing, have been exploited for decades, just 18 shale wells have been drilled south of the border. All have been in partnership with the state oil company Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex.
North of the border, scores of wildcatters such as Pioneer Natural Resources Co., Chesapeake Energy Corp., and Chestnut Exploration & Production Inc. have been responsible for accelerating the shale boom. These companies have had to overcome myriad hurdles stemming from intense opposition from environmentalists and communities over waste water pollution to spiraling costs. Spending on U.S. exploration and production is poised to rise 8.5 percent this year, according to a Barclays Plc report.
War Zone
Even though considerable, those obstacles pale in comparison to levels of violence in Tamaulipas that sometimes resemble a war zone. While Chestnut would be interested in looking at opportunities in Mexico at some stage, it won’t be among the first to enter, Chairman Mark Plummer said from Dallas. Security is one of the turnoffs.
“There’s a big difference between Laredo and Nuevo Laredo, but once you get underneath the ground, it’s all the same,” he said, referring to the cities on either side of the border. “Hopefully over time some of that will subside.”
Gun battles raged this spring, with dozens shot dead on highways and businesses burnt down in the Gulf of Mexico port city of Tampico. The capture of a Gulf Cartel founder and arrest last year of Zetas chief Miguel Trevino left a power vacuum that’s renewing fighting between the two groups, and within the Gulf Cartel.
Legislative Overhaul
Congressional committees are drafting regulations to implement last year’s legislative overhaul that broke a 75-year state monopoly on oil, with the ruling party pushing to vote through the rules by mid-July.
After 15 years of congressional gridlock on energy reform, President Enrique Pena Nieto was able to push through a more extensive oil law than many investors expected, allowing companies to drill independently in Mexico. Bank of America Corp. estimates it will boost foreign investment by $20 billion a year as soon as 2015.
Violence notwithstanding, shale deposits are the “low-hanging fruit,” with new exploration expected as soon as the second half of the year, according to Victor Herrera, managing director of Latin America at Standard & Poor’s. The legislative overhaul comes as output at Cantarell, the nation’s largest oilfield when it was discovered, is down almost 90 percent since it began production in 1979.
Pemex Shale
Still, even Pemex, which has pushed ahead with some shale drilling, is fending off fuel thieves siphoning gasoline and condensates. Bunkering, as the thefts are known, led to a pipeline blast in the state of Puebla that killed 28 people and injured 52 in 2010.
The crime wave has also been hitting the national oil company’s bottom line. More than $300 million in stolen natural gas condensate from the Burgos basin was smuggled across the U.S. border by drug cartels from 2006 to 2010, according to a lawsuit filed by Pemex in a Houston federal court in 2010.
Many of Burgos’s wells are on unpaved roads off a highway running parallel to the Rio Grande less than a mile from the border. Highway 2 is notorious for violent attacks, narco-blockades and disappearances as rival gangs seek to secure drug routes to the U.S. Sorghum farmers in 18-wheelers share the two-lane blacktop with souped-up pickups acting as drug scouts. Few other vehicles were on the road one May afternoon.
Army Presence
Pena Nieto beefed up the army presence in Tamaulipas last month, where soldiers are escorting Burgos workers like Torrez to and from their wells. As it turns out, none of the Weatherford oil workers were injured in the April attack as a black Chevy Silverado fitted with steel sheets and dual wheels, known as a monster truck, pumped the dome-roofed Asya with about 20 rifle blasts. Weatherford believes the assault was unrelated to the workers’ presence, a company spokesperson said.
Since the shooting, police have captured and killed cartel leaders and tracked down the men who shot at Torrez’s hotel, pumping their vehicle with over 200 rounds. At least four men were killed as they tried to flee the makeshift tank.
“It does raise the cost of doing business when you have to face the threats of kidnapping and extortion,” said Duncan Wood, director of the Mexico Institute at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington. “For the bigger companies that’s not a big deal, but for the smaller companies, it is something they have to factor in.”
