22lr Ammo shortage
Wow...assassins...really.
JSOC hires assassins...that's got to be a new one.
Didn't SEALS and SF in Vietnam have suppressed .22lr pistols to evade tracking dogs.
Since we are strapping on tinfoil hats I seem to remember Jonas Blaine handing Bob Brown a suppressed .22 and Bob taking out a forward observer with it. AND THAT SHIT IS REAL!
DFOOSKING, I respect you brother. And it is possible that between my three posts on this subject, I failed to word clearly what I was trying to say. English was never my best subject. So, for you and our other friends here, I want to try to restate my original point and to clarify anything that I did not say or mean to say.
First - My original point was talking mostly about the current, apparent anti-business, anti-gun, heavy regulation mindset in Washington and some state capitals having a chilling effect on domestic ammunition manufacturers adequately responding to the increased demand for 22lr, thus the apparent shortages has dragged on longer than need be, which only makes it worse, as more and more people buy into the belief that there is a shortage.
Second - The government should have no reason to think that citizens hoarding, or stockpiling 22lr are a threat, because it is one of the least threatening rounds available, used mostly for training, plinking, and hunting. Yes, it is still leathal, but the 22lr's use as a military weapon is very very limited. Individual anecdotal accounts of single events where military personnel or Spec Ops used it for specific cases either because it was all they had or because it fit the job at hand not withstanding, the applications make up a fraction of the times when a handgun or rifle are needed. If we were going to arm a group of soldiers to assault a position, we are not going to give them 22's to fight with.
In one of my follow on comments after a statement by dwkuska, I said in relation to use of 22lr by the military, that JSOC will acquire and use whatever they need for a given assignment. That could include 22's but more often than not, it would not.
Now what I did not say or mean to say - I did not say that JSOC hires assassins. If that was the interpretation of my words, it was wrong. I mentioned that a contract assassin might find a suppressed 22 useful, but I did not say or mean to imply that JSOC was hiring contract assassins. I have no knowledge of such. What I was attempting (apparently poorly) to say was that contractors of a criminal type working for other criminals might find use of a small concealable suppressed, subsonic weapon. That could be a 22lr, but could also be one of a dozen other larger cartridges.
The fact that a 22lr could be used for military or criminal intent does not make it the best choice for either nor does it make those who desire to store away large quantities of 22lr into terrorists, insurrectionists or criminals. I hope that this clarifies my earlier comments which were misinterpreted.
I am not quite sure how my original comments got steered into a discussion of military use of 22lr. Seals not withstanding, most military have no use for it. If a truck load of armed men turn up the road to my home intent on harming me or my family, and I have a variety of weapons to choose to defend myself, who here thinks I should reach for my 22lr first? Not me. I am going for .308/.223/12ga depending on how much warning I have. If I need a concealed carry handgun of adequate power to expect reasonable stopping power, who chooses the 22lr? Not me. I am choosing a 45acp in either H&K or 1911 variety (there are several others which are also good). If I plan a fishing trip to Alaska and need some form of anti-grizzly bear protection, who wants to carry the 22lr? Not me. I am thinking 44mag handgun or 45 SOCOM carbine or larger. If a hoard of Zombies are staggering into my yard in search of brains to eat, who wants a 22lr?
Now if I want to teach my niece how to shoot or engage in tgt practice or go squirrel hunting, I will be reaching for my 22lr. 22lr is effective and deadly, and it is not a toy. I have seen 22lr drop a 1000lb bull with one shot to the head. It is small, light, handy, quiet, and used to be cheap. Making it an extremely useful tool. Likely the most popular round available. Not cause it is the best for most jobs but because it is so useful for so many. If I thought society was breaking down and me and my family were faced with having to survive on what we could hunt and forage for months or even years, then the 22lr might be the first weapon I would load up to take with us. It would not be the last.
Irish
