Ex-drag racer, ex-bar band rock star, ex-biker, done it all, seen it all. Bet he's not thirty years old in reality. Also, anybody that uses "Sparky" as a provocative insult is absolutely a fag from way back.
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To those who say lower cost guns aren't "accurate"..
- Thread starter Mcrider55
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Now look at this one. A $1000 gun minus scope.
People like you never talk shit in person.
I was a veteran when you were in diapers kid.
Well 
see the "c" team on the local girls club has arrived. You get lonely in your basement apts so y'all jump online and Viola!!!
see the "c" team on the local girls club has arrived. You get lonely in your basement apts so y'all jump online and Viola!!!
Hey You Fucks,
What did I say about Shitting up the technical section of the site... You want to measure your dicks, do it in the Bear Pit, I would rather you start a call out thread there, and just link here and move on from being jerks where people are looking for information.
And if you are looking for information, cause you dont' know, I'd tread lightly talking marketing points with the people around here, they are far more keyed in than one might imagine. They might like to play with their food, especially if you offer up an easy meal, so be careful what you wish for. Some of these attitudes behind the silly names may have done a thing or two, they get bored on the internet too, so again take the crap to the bear pit.
I don't need to be fielding these complaints for this part of the site.
What did I say about Shitting up the technical section of the site... You want to measure your dicks, do it in the Bear Pit, I would rather you start a call out thread there, and just link here and move on from being jerks where people are looking for information.
And if you are looking for information, cause you dont' know, I'd tread lightly talking marketing points with the people around here, they are far more keyed in than one might imagine. They might like to play with their food, especially if you offer up an easy meal, so be careful what you wish for. Some of these attitudes behind the silly names may have done a thing or two, they get bored on the internet too, so again take the crap to the bear pit.
I don't need to be fielding these complaints for this part of the site.
Who here has said that???
I'm not super-active here. But I've been around here for several years. And I'm a self-described casual rifle marksman who simply likes to strive for precision at longer distances (when / where available).
My 2 "precision" rigs are both solidly in the "budget" category, and I've NEVER encountered any ridicule here. Nobody has laughed at me or told me I need to spend more money for a "better" rig.
Again... who here has said that? Seriously... I've never seen anyone imply that. If I dare make a blanket characterization of this group, I'd say they respect marksmanship, not mere ownership of high-dollar gear.
Even for me... I don't think that will impress many here. Now put 5 rounds touching each other in that rather large (yes large at a mere 100 yards) bottle. My range doesn't allow anything but paper targets.
You'll just have to trust me that there is no "faking" with my targets. That's four rounds in one hole with one (5th shot) "flyer." This rig cost under $1500, if I recall (a friend built it for me). Federal Gold Medal Match 77-gr.
Another 5-shot group, this time with my Ruger Precision Rifle 6.5 Creedmoor (Vortex Viper HST Scope). This rig is under $2000.
At 300 yards with my Ruger Precision Rifle. 1-inch squares on that target. Even if I include the "flyer," it's a 1/2-MOA group. Hornady ELD-M 140-gr.
My point is that I agree with you that you don't need an expensive rig to shoot precisely or accurately. And if I dare speak for the group who also largely agree. The biggest factor is the guy pressing the trigger, eh? But I disagree with your characterization of this forum as a gaggle of snobs. I have definitely not found that to be the case. This group is all about shooter performance, learning, training, practice. Of course, there will be threads about gear. As any hobbyist delves deeper into the hobby / sport, gear becomes a popular topic and often to spending more! But learning with budget gear is a great way to go.
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Just a suggestion to tone down the hostility...
If you take the time to do a search for threads on the subject, you'll find that when people ask for what is a good entry level weapon, they will almost always be told something affordable like a Tikka T3X CTR or several other similar brands all in the $1k to $1500 range.
Now maybe you're upset that savage doesn't get brought up much, but consider that there is probably a good reason why.
If you buy one of the often recommended entry level rifles in the $1k to $1500 range you get a known good proven platform with a good success rate out of the box and a rifle ready to go right away and a rifle that can be expanded on easily with aftermarket support and something you won't be quickly needing to upgrade from.
It's like the old joke in the Photography world of telling someone they can save them $500 off a tripod and when they ask how, you tell them to buy the $1k tripod from the start, instead of getting the cheap one and then upgrading step by step until they realize they need the $1k one.
Back in the day long ago before there were a lot of cheap choices, sure if you were poor a Savage might be worth the gamble if you didn't need to run it hard.
The same thing will apply with optics.
I've gone both routes in my life, and will always advise someone towards something I'm pretty sure they won't be quickly wanting to upgrade from as I'd prefer them not to have to learn from experience like I did of buying things only to soon need to sell them at a loss and get what was a better fit for me or a better item.
@Racer88 Off topic but what ammo?
If you say 55gr PMC Bronze im gunna throw all my shit out the window.
If you say 55gr PMC Bronze im gunna throw all my shit out the window.
Nope. Those are distinct terms with very distinct definitions in the world of marksmanship.
I'm going to recommend this book. Editing... link not working. So here's an image of it:
Amazon product ASIN 151865472X
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so 25 years of shooting huh…. did you just discover the internet?
or did you get kicked off all the other gun boards too?
LOL! No. This AR-15 really likes Federal Gold Medal Match 77-gr.
But you didn’t even hit the dot……how will you ever hit a primer?
Should have bought a Savage.
Finally an honest reply. It took 4 pages of them blowing gaskets and doing everything but addressing the topic.
I've never seen the group think hatred towards a brand like I have with Savage and it's exclusively in this site. I'd bet 75% of them have never even had one in their hands much less shot one. Same shit happens in guitar forums as well.
I've seen one bad review of the gun I bought out of dozens online. It won an award as product of the year in 2021. So tell me, who has more credibility, all the positive reviews from people who have actually had these in their hands, or a bunch of internet harpies in a forum?
Hey guys, c’mon let’s try to calm down a bit. We don’t want op running back to arfcom to tattle on us
If you didn’t have such crepe paper-thin skin you would have been able to figure out what was being said
Oh great....another one! Two months of bullshit until the permanent red banner flies. Can we please change the locks on the door. Every time one goes, another shows up.
"Look at me....look what my $1.99 gun did! You all suck.....I rule!"
Ok Earl, we hear you!
"Look at me....look what my $1.99 gun did! You all suck.....I rule!"
Ok Earl, we hear you!
You're both wrong.
Accuracy is "hitting the target"
Precision is the size of your group.
You need both.
But this thread went to shit a long time ago.
so:
I was simply going to ask if his delicate sensibilities come in men's sizes. But that's just me.
I'm not going to hate on Savage, and I'll just say that I think the friction you caught may have been from your presentation right out of the gate.
Yours wasn't so much a question as it was a veiled shot across the bow about how good your Savage is at 100 yards. A lot of the folks in here are legit LR shooters who actually do know what they're talking about.
But Sparky tho...
The funny part is that the OP doesn’t know what he doesn’t know, because like most people they think the world started after the internet and YouTube
Savage actions were a very budget friendly BR action for years.
Floating bolt head and a good barrel and chamber job..and they can shoot knots
Savage actions were a very budget friendly BR action for years.
Floating bolt head and a good barrel and chamber job..and they can shoot knots
(I love how these threads all evolve/devolve the same way, like they're following a script)
It’s in the Bear Pit now. Gloves are off.
In my early posts in this thread, I tried to be civil, but the OP had only one goal in mind and that was to troll the site. It’s obvious from the get go. His first post sets the tone. He proceeded to insult everyone that didn’t bow down to his drivel even when thrown some concessions and advice. No, all he did was attack with the intent of trolling.
It’s totally on him as far as I’m concerned.
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Three pages to legendary status....
So far, we have not invented a new currency. And no new measures like "Bow Kills, Velcro Sneaker Polishing or Benching." But it's early yet.
Hey, I still have my Plaster Ultimate Sniper stock. I know how to be poor!
Sirhr
So far, we have not invented a new currency. And no new measures like "Bow Kills, Velcro Sneaker Polishing or Benching." But it's early yet.
Hey, I still have my Plaster Ultimate Sniper stock. I know how to be poor!
Sirhr
In response to your earlier posts, I wholeheartedly agree that any rifle is a good starting point. I’ve shot, owned (and still do) and shoot with guys that shoot every stock and custom rifle around. In the end, it really is the shooter that makes all the difference.
That said, if I know of a person that is choosing has the wherewithal to afford a solid entry level rifle, I’ll suggest that to save them some grief.
You have black eyed peas in a tube sock for a rear bag like I do?
100% if a “savage” is all you can afford then have at it and be proud of it. Better to have more money for ammo then a custom you can’t afford to shoot.
But don’t confuse proud with antagonistic.
It’s a very common personality trait to put someone down to make yourself feel better, but most of us grew up after 7th grade
OP if you are happy with your setup that's great keep doing you. I tried Savage once, when I first got into longer range shooting (beyond 100yds) I just didn't care for bolt design or the way it ran. I have had Remington 700s, Ruger's, Thompson Center, Tikkas and one AI. For me the AI is second to none, but I love my Tikkas also. If someone ask me about getting into longer range shooting my go to recommendation is a Tikka CTR I personally don't think they can be beat for the money in that price range.
I know this thread is bullshit, my cheap rifles are just as inaccurate as my expensive ones.
To be honest I did not read it that way at first. I took it as a new guy thinking he found something new, but worded it, totally wrong. Then when it started down hill, he took the responses as direct insults. Not that anyone here would ever do such a thing.
Nope... Beanie Baby stuffing.
Sat at a picnic table down a Blackwater in 2008 smoking a cigar and attacking a stack of WalMart discount Beenie Babies with an Al Mar SERE knife... gutting the lot of them to fill a sock. Still use it.
There were all these Azerbijanii Helicopter pilots there doing some kind of ground training who thought we were completely batshit crazy. Then again, they were listening to Michael Jackson...
Who are the crazy ones... You be the judge!
Cheers,
Sirhr
I keep that in a special "short" ammo can...
Now hush. You're going to ruin all my poors cred here!
Sirhr
I laughed out loud all by myself in the house, alone.
That’s great, do they make one for straight men?
I had one of those.
I had a savage I put in it
Topped with a Tasco "world class" scope
I might have you beat in how poor one once was.
Technically that was when I wasn't so poor anymore
When I was truly poor was when I had to buy a $89 Soviet SKS as my only rifle because I couldn't afford the $140 Bulgarian AK
not as gay or dumb as the guy that actually believe dollars yield results
OP point has merit
