There’s a whole lot more wrong with your disposition than there is with your Savage.
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To those who say lower cost guns aren't "accurate"..
- Thread starter Mcrider55
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I was only able to snag a few hours of sleep myself but for some unsolicited advise- it looks like you've been 'discussing' this topic all night. You do you by all means but please grab some shut eye, I promise you that the Bear Pit will still be there to continue this... discussion later. Take care of yourself for the time being though.
-LD
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As for "talking shit". I didn't start it, and I don't back down from it. On the internet, far too many say things that would get their teeth knocked out in real life.
If "competition" requires endless accessories like ballistic calcs, wind meters, etc., it's not for me. My intentions are military tactics oriented, not civilian style shooting. Nothing wrong with what some of you are doing, just not for me.
What I learn from longer distance shooting should help me in shorter distances as well. Where I live, surrounded by mountains and very dense forests, a 500 yard shot is definitely long distance.
My style and requirements are just very different from many in here.
I got my sleep. I enjoy being with the dogs in my shop and reloading. I just enjoy the quiet of the mornings where I have the world to myself.
Thanks.
If military tactics is your thing. Then loose the savage. Upgrade your ar. And train.
Done.
You can do comps without meters they are not required. I have a basic meter and its primary purpose is to practice wind. Was i correct?, did the env move to match the 8mph i thought it might be or was i way off and its 12? gets real tricky when you drive somewhere else and plants are different. Or there are no plants.....We can get decent where we live and practice then changing env is a whole new game. Pays to be humbled that way you learn alot.
you dont need a laser either but it helps to verify your ranging with reticle correctly, they help us learn which saves money on finding out the other way by sending it. I also like a tidy set up and my binocs do it because I really hate the tiny LRFs it might read that far but fuck holding them steady past like 1400 is a pain in the ass but sometimes thats what you get.
Ballistic without calcs is well just, math. you can always use your data on the rifle your DOPE for what the last hopefully most similar task was.
overall on tech the military will use more then one might imagine for advantage, doesnt mean its some crutch for not learning the math and having to recite it over and over and over and fucking over again.
Comp are what you make of them. running a wobbly barricade on a 600 yard target under the clock definitely provides some stress to perform under. want to make a gial to do it with only DOPE and no electronics, go for it. Lots are known distance anyway. Or if the goal is UKD go do that, i can share how we do UKD for practice if you like , its easier with another person but you cxan do it alone too.
you dont need a laser either but it helps to verify your ranging with reticle correctly, they help us learn which saves money on finding out the other way by sending it. I also like a tidy set up and my binocs do it because I really hate the tiny LRFs it might read that far but fuck holding them steady past like 1400 is a pain in the ass but sometimes thats what you get.
Ballistic without calcs is well just, math. you can always use your data on the rifle your DOPE for what the last hopefully most similar task was.
overall on tech the military will use more then one might imagine for advantage, doesnt mean its some crutch for not learning the math and having to recite it over and over and over and fucking over again.
Comp are what you make of them. running a wobbly barricade on a 600 yard target under the clock definitely provides some stress to perform under. want to make a gial to do it with only DOPE and no electronics, go for it. Lots are known distance anyway. Or if the goal is UKD go do that, i can share how we do UKD for practice if you like , its easier with another person but you cxan do it alone too.
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Tell us more how you aren’t a good shooter and have a closed mind
This attitude reminds me of “prs shooters are just good with that specialized gun lets see them shoot a light gun “.
Then the same guys placing highly at PRS , go to NRL and place highly
You don’t do PRS comps. Cause bags and stuff. Why don’t you go to a 2 gun comp them. Oh. Right. You will finish poorly and have a litany of excuses
I don't do comp because it doesn't interest me. Neither does golf, baseball or drinking.
You karens really crack me up. I find your sniveling humorous.
Your post count is going up....lol
Keep talking. I think your serious and it’s makes the humor so much better
Well you obviously don’t want to improve. Taking peoples advice here would help you improve. Comps would help you improve.
But you know it all
Military tactics amirite
Who let you out of the straight jacket?
Frank has spent a good portion of his short life building this place, lets not burn it down over misplacement. Nothing gets posted here that is not searchable on the net w/in 5 minutes. This house is full of type A's who are driven by many things, but more so as event's on this rock as well as country unfold, I've seen over & over thru the years. There comes a point in time where,... Everyone,... needs to check emotions, reread & rethink before pressing forward.
Burning down what Frank has spent much of his life to build, is shameful & a disservice to the shooting community in general. Dog pilling no matter the reason will stop FNG's cold. While many of us old fucks are about done, lets not discourage new blood from joining which is what keeps this place alive.
Trolls, enjoy and are paid at times to tear down or disrupt what took years to build. If you think the OP is a troll, why feed it? If you think the OP is a misguided type A don't flame it, as most all know where that ends every time, which is what I think we are seeing now.
Burning down what Frank has spent much of his life to build, is shameful & a disservice to the shooting community in general. Dog pilling no matter the reason will stop FNG's cold. While many of us old fucks are about done, lets not discourage new blood from joining which is what keeps this place alive.
Trolls, enjoy and are paid at times to tear down or disrupt what took years to build. If you think the OP is a troll, why feed it? If you think the OP is a misguided type A don't flame it, as most all know where that ends every time, which is what I think we are seeing now.
Tell me more about this hog hunting and coyote hunting where you only get one shot.
Is it...dangerous???
Is it...dangerous???
I've already learned from you and others like you.
You're great examples of bad examples.
LOL! Skip the "tactical" and go full "ninja," if you're serious.
Forget about the previous book on rifle marksmanship I recommended. Instead begin with "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. You desperately need it.
So you don't give a shit about precision? Not the same thing as accuracy but equally as important. The simplest definition of precision is CONSISTENCY. Accuracy with just one shot can be luck. Consistent accuracy is quite another thing.
I shoot paper targets because most ranges around here do not allow garbage as targets. It sucks, because shooting targets besides paper can be fun. But them's the rules.
This is simply nonsensical talk.
I've done a few of those. Actually NRA "High Power" competitions. Unfortunately, most of the participants went out of their way to NOT help. Seriously... I was VERY disappointed and won't be back. Even when I brought my 16 year old daughter, they treated her like crap, too. But I agree that it's a great way to get some practice at longer distances.
My very first time 300 / 500 / 600:
(They squad'ed me with a real prick on this one. I had NO idea what I was doing or how to adjust my scope for each distance. I asked him, and he said, "It's your rifle. You're on your own." And then he went back to measuring and tweaking his custom load cartridge OALs.) I've learned a lot since!
More nonsense. You need a rifle and ammo. That's it. If you're averse to ballistic calculators, bring a dope card. Do you know what that is? (It's a piece of paper with some notes on it.) You said you wanted to learn, eh?
You keep puffing your chest about "military tactics." Did you serve? Veteran? Currently active duty? Just curious (though I think I know the answer).
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This is elder abuse. Just leave the 70 year old to think he’s tactical Timmy and a better shooter / tactician than all these dirty civilians and game players
1. Very much a Veteran from an entire family of Vets going back to WW1. Have some in the middle east right now.
2. Not interested in your opinions about "making friends", you and others in here aren't anybody I want to know. My friends are real, you're just somebody having a hissy fit appears on my thread.
3.If you need "gimmicks" like ballistic calc, Kestrals, a dope card, to shoot, that's on you. Not interested.
As for them not liking you, real world people can usually sniff out the bullshitters right away.
I don't suppose you have a Twitter/X account and can help us out in another thread by chance?
-LD
You need to get into the real world.
I don’t think you shot any of those hogs or coyotes past 200 yards cause you don’t seem to understand shooting at distance
Wow. 280 posts into a thread that`s an obvious troll. Got to hand it to Mcrider, he might be new but he`s flat dialed in as to how to press the psyche buttons when it comes to the Hide. All you have to do is be semi-aggressive and mention " Savage " in the same post. Bingo. Automatically in the running for most postings in the year. Just like a high hanging curve ball...just gotta swing! One has to admit, though, that he ( Mcrider ) may well serve as a catharsis for many, allowing them to express themselves through language and vocabulary that they`d never ( one can only hope! ) use in front of a spouse, or parents, or children, or old people. So...in sort of a twisted way, he`s providing a service to many who frequent the Hide?
So you are saying that the effluvium has impacted the rotary oscillating air circulator?
Sirhr
Sirhr
You’re only interested in “tactical “. You do realize that the real tactical guys at the point of the spear on real 2-way ranges use all those things routinely? There are very good reasons for it too.
Do you think anyone is actually reading all your long winded bullshit at this point....
OP... you come in here shitting on high priced guns but get defensive when several guys point out issues with Savages. You claim to make one shot at 100 yards and say that aids for wind, atmospheric conditions and dope aren't for you. At 100 yards probably not. You say you want to learn but from what I've read in your posts, I doubt that's the case.
Good luck with your next 100 yard shot.
Good luck with your next 100 yard shot.
That's interesting OP because I joined this forum less than a month ago, seeking information & some advice about expanding my tactical gun skills to include longer distance precision shooting. Longest shots would probably be less than 500 yards.
I have a couple of decades of practicing tactical shooting skills behind me, all AR based.
To those who say a lower cost rifle isn't accurate, I say BULLSHIT.
Yesterday, my brother & I were shooting 100 yard targets. I normally shoot at poker chips with a contrasting yard dot in the center for contrast. Chips are 1.5" in diameter, yard dots are .75 diameter. Hitting the chip isn't difficult, hitting center of dot is.
He took an unspent 12 gauge shotgun shell he found laid it atop the 2 Inch foam archery target we use to staple targets to. The primer end pointed at me. He placed a red target dot over the primer so I could see it. The front of the shell was resting against a wood backstop people staple their targets to. My foam backstop rested against it..
1 shot, and I hit the shells primer, igniting the shell, the powder burns are evident. Examine the board and you can see exactly where the shell was laying when hit. The shotgun blast penetrated the plywood backing.
We found the remnant of the shell & the red paper dot..
Now you tell me again how you need a high dollar gun with yada yada yada aftermarket parts to be accurate.
I did this with my .223 Savage Axis II Precision and a Vortex Viper Venom scope I bought less that a month ago shooting my reload of a ArmorAlly 55gr fmg, 24 grains of Alliant 1200r with a CCI 450 primer and a range scavenged case. Twist on rifle is 1:7. Hardly considered an accurate load by many.
So when people ASK for opinions on how to get started, dump the bullshit about needing a gun way outside their budgets, and offer real advice. Don't do describe your "dream gun" you don't own, actually try to help them..
Some GREAT, and very accurate weapons are out there that sell for $400 and up. Ruger, Savage, Remington and others are great starter guns to learn accuracy skills with.
Listen to their questions and offer helpful suggestions, not the same bullshit of "just save up more money" so they can afford a gun you probably don't have yourself.
I may be in the minority on this forum, but for my style of shooting, accuracy is #1, and I think most feel the same. Your "sub MOA" is impressive, but far more when inside the bullseye of the target.
I have a couple of decades of practicing tactical shooting skills behind me, all AR based.
To those who say a lower cost rifle isn't accurate, I say BULLSHIT.
Yesterday, my brother & I were shooting 100 yard targets. I normally shoot at poker chips with a contrasting yard dot in the center for contrast. Chips are 1.5" in diameter, yard dots are .75 diameter. Hitting the chip isn't difficult, hitting center of dot is.
He took an unspent 12 gauge shotgun shell he found laid it atop the 2 Inch foam archery target we use to staple targets to. The primer end pointed at me. He placed a red target dot over the primer so I could see it. The front of the shell was resting against a wood backstop people staple their targets to. My foam backstop rested against it..
1 shot, and I hit the shells primer, igniting the shell, the powder burns are evident. Examine the board and you can see exactly where the shell was laying when hit. The shotgun blast penetrated the plywood backing.
We found the remnant of the shell & the red paper dot..
Now you tell me again how you need a high dollar gun with yada yada yada aftermarket parts to be accurate.
I did this with my .223 Savage Axis II Precision and a Vortex Viper Venom scope I bought less that a month ago shooting my reload of a ArmorAlly 55gr fmg, 24 grains of Alliant 1200r with a CCI 450 primer and a range scavenged case. Twist on rifle is 1:7. Hardly considered an accurate load by many.
So when people ASK for opinions on how to get started, dump the bullshit about needing a gun way outside their budgets, and offer real advice. Don't do describe your "dream gun" you don't own, actually try to help them..
Some GREAT, and very accurate weapons are out there that sell for $400 and up. Ruger, Savage, Remington and others are great starter guns to learn accuracy skills with.
Listen to their questions and offer helpful suggestions, not the same bullshit of "just save up more money" so they can afford a gun you probably don't have yourself.
I may be in the minority on this forum, but for my style of shooting, accuracy is #1, and I think most feel the same. Your "sub MOA" is impressive, but far more when inside the bullseye of the target.
A veteran of what? I'm not out here to do the dick measuring with actual vets as they are all brothers and sisters...but you're frigging low-key repeating a bunch of the same lines that dudes with little to ZERO time in a hostile environment repeat as gospel for some reason. If your whole time was peace time as an admin assistant, who cares? You did your time (hopefully admirably), and there's nothing wrong with that. Coming off as something you're not though...
I'm snickering at your last line, because right now a bunch of sniffers are pointing at you.
you're still here sniveling about it, so yes, I do.Do you think anyone is actually reading all your long winded bullshit at this point....
Sorry kid, I was a Nam era vet.
Definitely not admin, but even they served.
I don't think you did.
The OP is unteacheable
Almost seven pages and not a single mention of Gucciflage...
This place is sooooo... slipping.
Sirhr
This place is sooooo... slipping.
Sirhr
Tell me what your quals and skills are where you can offer me any real advice.
I don't listen to hot air on the internet.
Ooh, all the catch phrases, this keeps getting better.
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I had one in 6.5 CM, over 2500 rounds down the barrel and it still shoots great, as good as any other rifle I own. Kept waiting for it to start shooting poorly but it hadn't happened. Sold it to a friend lcheap to start learning, he's still shooting it.
I believe the young'ns call that coping. Or, "methinks he doth protest too much."
Again, having learned the hard way, as I usually do, enjoy whatever benefit can be had from cheap rifles that may work well and plenty of them are okay for hunting game less than 400 yards. No one is going to or should be shooting more than 3 times at an animal. 1 shot, maybe 2, sure. Usually you don't get a chance at a third. If a guy does get to the third shot and still did not bring down the beast, he is doing something wrong and needs to fix it or take up the hobby of tatting lace.
My AR-15 and AR-10 have certain advantages and yes, they were not exactly "budget" guns but reasonably priced for a well known name.
If I were to get into competition, it would be worthwhile to save pennies however and build the custom. In the meantime, a lot can be learned with budget rifles that perform well.
Hmmm.
I guess defense contractors made these gadgets for “civilian gamers “
I guess defense contractors made these gadgets for “civilian gamers “
