Top scope brand that costs 4k+ keeps cracking

[Mordamer]

I'm pretty sure I could stick the scope tube on pretty much any scope in a hydraulic press and completely crush it and the ocular lense would remain unbroken. Why? Because the ocular lense sits in the eye piece which is separate from the main tube! Any of you geniuses want to point out how squishing on the main tube with a pair of rings puts any stress at all on the ocular lense?

 

[pyrotechnic]

I'm pretty sure I could stick the scope tube on pretty much any scope in a hydraulic press and completely crush it and the ocular lense would remain unbroken. Why? Because the ocular lense sits in the eye piece which is separate from the main tube! Any of you geniuses want to point out how squishing on the main tube with a pair of rings puts any stress at all on the ocular lense?

I'm pretty sure I can press anything at anytime in anything and get any kind of result you want.

 

[r.tenorio671]

....might be a good idea to send the mount along with the scope when returning for repair/replacement so the scope manufacturer can conduct their own tests to determine the relationships between scope & mount and the cause for the breakages...

 

[Krob95]

Pics or it didn't happen. I find this hard to believe that not only one, but two alpha grade scopes broke in the ocular area in ARC rings. Send them shits back to ARC and see if they will provide a replacement set. Kinda sus...

 

[HousePlant]

 

[Sniperwannabee]

I bet the answer is in the riflescope section

 

[Krob95]

I bet the answer is in the riflescope section

You stop with your logic!

 

[91Eunozs]

I bet the answer is in the riflescope section

I was literally typing “if only we had a section dedicated to scopes” when I saw your reply. LOL

 

[TheOE800]

So a TT or a Schmidt?

 

[Bsutton2010]

You stop with your logic!

My b. Not real familiar with this site

 

[Txhillbilly]

I've got 6 scopes (5 different brands of top tier scopes) mounted in 6 different sets of ARC M10 rings. All of them are torqued to 50 in lbs on the rail and ring screws. Never had any issues with them breaking a scope.

 

[Dave62677]

I had the m10 ring /m5xi Steiner on 338lm doesn’t have any issue for 2 years. Maybe my Steiner is not a 4k scope

 

[Milf Dots]

As others have said, I'd recommend you send the rings with the scope...

Were these the first set of rings and scope on that rifle?

Something is out of alignment or spec- have you measured the pic rail for geometry, and is it an integrated rail or screwed on? It can only be three things- the pic rail, the rings, or the scope.

After you get the scope back I'd be curious to know what happens if you use a different mount or rings.

 

[Makinchips208]

The recoil from the high power rifle is causing the ocular lense to hit his helmet.

 

[Threadcutter308]

My bet is one of @Dirty D 's creatures sat on it and cracked the glass. OP is just ashamed to admit it.

@deersniper .............just sayin'

 

[Threadcutter308]

ZCO

"to avoid the pain in the ass sending it back is".

TT

FWIW, I have ZCO's and TT's in Spuhrs. Zero issues. Ever. Rings torqued to 22 inch lbs IIRC.

 

[akmike47]

Stupid question the mount says leave a gap, are you torquing to spec and it’s not leaving the gap?

 

[M8541Reaper]

A picture is worth 1,000,000 words spread across 100 comments.

No one can really help you without seeing the whole picture man. Posting a pic of your TT with a ZCO in a 45 offset isn’t going to tarnish these brands…and if it’s not actually a $4k optic but rather a $400 Strike Eagle, no one will give a shit.

Worse things have been said about every brand imaginable on this site. Your experiences aren’t going to effect sales numbers or reputation.

Post pics and give specs…otherwise this optic thread in the rifle section is just taking up bandwidth.

 

[deersniper]

I want in on the action. What are my odds on a zco?

Lol poor bet. It’s right in the name. Zero Compromise

 

[deersniper]

ZCO

 

[Steel head]

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Let’s be real folks!
@deersniper hasn’t broken a ZCO yet so they gotta be tough as Vagina.
Or had he?

 

[Krob95]

Let’s be real folks!
@deersniper hasn’t broken a ZCO yet so they gotta be tough as Vagina.
Or had he?

Maybe this is a burner account of @deersniper so no one knows he broke a ZCO?

 

[Krob95]

One of the locals has had this very same issue in a ZCO. But the criteria of $4K + does fit a TT.

Guess where I've never heard of the issue.....S&B

They broke an ocular lens?

 

[deersniper]

Maybe this is a burner account of @deersniper so no one knows he broke a ZCO?

Still winning stages

The 2-16s will get a lot more abuse

 

[whatsupdoc]

WTF, how can the rings crack an ocular lens?

Possibilities:
1) The OP is full of shit
2) Lens cracked due to contact with something.
3) Thermal Shock.
4) Tolerance stackup between lens and housing.
5) Bad machining.
6) Foreign object in tube.
7) Chineseium ED glass.

And some others I cant think of.

 

[nhdeadhead]

Going from hot to cold

Just curious, how big of a temperature difference? Did the other (unbroken) scope go through the same fluctuation? Extreme temp swings + recoil = brittle glass? Maybe?

Or maybe they had a bad batch or ocular lenses and you were unfortunate to receive two of them? That’s the nice thing about buying expensive shit… they typically stand behind the warranty

 

[swamper2]

Try a lapping bar in the mounts and see about the alignment to see if there is an issue. If there is lap it in.

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

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Still winning stages

The 2-16s will get a lot more abuse

Had no idea you were in my area. Pigg match this past weekend?

 

[deersniper]

Had no idea you were in my area. Pigg match this past weekend?

Correct. 6 hours away

Took the first 6 stages to settle the nerves then started smoking things lol.

 

[padom]

You I trust. Am I wrong? What does he recommend?

Yes you're wrong. ARC rings torque is 55in lbs. Right in ARC directions.. exactly what I have mine torqued to as well...the top ring is 55in lbs.. we arent talking about ring to base...

 

[GenericBadGuy]

Any one else notice he name dropped the ARC rings but was sooo careful not to name the scope make? Like dude just post a picture already.

 

[padom]

Gay thread

 

[Krob95]

Gay thread

/deletethread

 

[FatBoy]

I’m with the other who question how clamping the body of a scope can cause any issues to the ocular. It would seem something else is going on. I guess it’s possible something in the tube is coming lose and hitting the lens. Possibly from a malformed ring but I would also suspect you’d see signs of damage on the tube if that were the case.

I think the suggestion of sending the mount with the scope to be tested at their facility if a good idea. Not sure if they could simulate your temp swings.

Quick question on that, if the temp swing is substantial how are you keeping your lenses from fogging with condensation?

 

[deersniper]

Pics or it didn’t happen

 

[padom]

I mean I can't tell you how many 1000s of times I've shot room temp guns immediately into 0F-20F Temps and never had a scope or glass break...you would think even more so that would never happen on a mystery named $4k optic...

Oh and I'm gonna bank on something else is the cause....not the optic or rings unless THAT specific set of rings you have are out of spec. Too many people use ARC rings for them to be the issue as a whole.... and the scope being repaired and you breaking it again....its something else your doing. Maybe not intentionally, but something...

Names or this thread is stupid as hell.

 

[Krob95]

I don't know which lens. He was at a major match, laid down to confirm zero before the match and on the third round a giant crack formed in his field of view. He sent it back and they took care of him. You probably know the dude, he runs all the pikes peak matches.

Interesting. I'll have to ask him about it when I go down there on the 12th

 

[4O6shootist]

I have m10 or. M-brace mounts with vortex rzr gen3, mk5hd, kahles k624i, and atacr 5-25. Friends run them with zco, and mk5hd. All torqued to spec of 55"/#. Never an issue. I did have my 338 rum moving the scope on the rings because of recoil and huge brake, afte talks to Ted, we came up with a solution, not a problem since. This is NOT a mount problem, this is a scope problem with brandX. And the fact this thread even started without a forthcoming brand name, is complete horseshit.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

This thread should be in the Bear Pit instead of bolt action.

What was the point of this anyways?

"I have a +$4k scope that keeps cracking, only thing I can say is its in ARC rings"

Go

 

[deersniper]

I don't know which lens. He was at a major match, laid down to confirm zero before the match and on the third round a giant crack formed in his field of view. He sent it back and they took care of him. You probably know the dude, he runs all the pikes peak matches.

Pics or it didn’t happen

 

[Winny94]

Woof.

Sounds like it’s time for a 18lb limiter to me.
Did you tell them what you torqued it to?
(I wouldn’t)

There's always that guy who comments despite being unfamiliar with the product

 

[Mr. Z]

There's always that guy who comments despite being unfamiliar with the product

I’ve been made aware multiple times and have admitted fault and apologized for my ignorance.

My input was precisely as helpful as this one.

 

[Pav67]

8000$ for 4shots fired?Price per round may discourage some.Keep up the good work OP

 

[79steeler]

I feel dumber for having read this thread! Time I will never get back in my life to learn absolutely nothing. Thanks OP.

 

[akmike47]

I’d say it’s the valdada guy again but the price doesn’t match

 

[padom]

I’ve been made aware multiple times and have admitted fault and apologized for my ignorance.

My input was precisely as helpful as this one.

And your taking your beating like a champ.. Cheers. Haha

 

[padom]

I agree this is a useless thread but the OP probably doesn't want to say because there's always a gang of guys ready to flame someone for saying anything remotely bad about their pet brand

But that's anything in life isn't it?? You're always gonna have fanboys and haters...I don't think that's isolated to SH...if he can't handle or deal with that...then he should probably delete this thread..just sayin.

 

[padom]

Don't disagree. But it is what it is.

Is that a good match of annihilisim for an answer

Yes, yes it is!! Lolol

 

[Arc Light]

Is this the new Counter Sniper "Fallujah" Edition with triple reticle? Price seems to be about right.

 

[babyguppy]

This thread reminds me of a person who takes their car to a mechanic (or posts online) about this tapping sound that they hear. What is the tapping sound... Muffler bearings?