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I don’t care.Kyle Rittenhouse had to fight with a weapon he had never held before that evening.
I was in the same debate myself, went with KAC 11.5" and been happy with it. I shot the 12.5" triarc and i have nothing neg to say about it. Very soft shooting gun.
@xxflyingturtlexx How would you compare the recoil impulse between the two? Did you notice the mid-length gas system of the triarc being smoother than the carbine length of the kac? Did the KAC’s gas system seem to tame it more compared to the mid-length triarc?
I am likewise making the same exact decision.
Triarc is good to go. Here's where it is for me. I have multiple ARs. A few custom builds SOLGW receivers and 13.7 barrel. My main squeeze rifles are my KAC 11.5 and 14.5. I just added a Triarc 12.5 to my list. It's ordered, after test running one, I wanted one. Here's my thoughts on why that over others.
1. They're using high quality parts. I do believe the receivers and rail are all Zev. Top notch.
2. The barrel and rifling is a cool concept, I'm into nerdy shit. And by design, the track barrel should make for an accurate and gas efficient system. This IS a step outside of the box that I'm willing to give a run.
3. They're the ONLY company with a mid length 12.5. This has me intrigued. But this should make for a soft shooting gun that handles supressed and unsepressed shooting great.
4. After speaking with them. They actually understand the AR platform. They're not just building a gun to millspec standards like BCM, and calling it a day. They do a ton of testing on tuning, velocity, etc, and they make that all available. I like that.
In the end, you're getting a high quality gun, built with high quality parts, built by people who actually.reslly understand the platform and how their being ran, and building that gun to fit the times. Are they better than SOLGW? Radian? Maybe not. But they are definitely doing some things right and Im willing to get one in and run it against my KAC guns, and find out.
Didn't know Noveske did a mid 12.5. But every Noveske I've shot was wildly over gassed. And the rainer 12.5 days in big bold print to use an adjustable gas block as they use a huge port for reliability. Triarc seems to have it dialed. I will however say, I have not ran a Noveske 12.5. Just a 14.5 and my buddies 11.5. And didn't care for either of them. So I never really paid anymore attention to them.I have a Noveske and a Rainier Arms Mid Length gas 12.5 barrels. You may want to do a bit more research on this.
I also has 2 carbine vas 12.5 guns. I prefer the Carbine gas. It is much more reliable over the Mid.
Didn't know Noveske did a mid 12.5. But every Noveske I've shot was wildly over gassed. And the rainer 12.5 days in big bold print to use an adjustable gas block as they use a huge port for reliability. Triarc seems to have it dialed. I will however say, I have not ran a Noveske 12.5. Just a 14.5 and my buddies 11.5. And didn't care for either of them. So I never really paid anymore attention to them.
Well that's good because adjustable gas blocks are silly. And maybe Noveske has gotten it together. That would be good because I thought John was a good dude. If that wasn't a $425 barrel I'd probably give it a go. Doesnt seem like they build a rifle with that barrel as an option which is weird. The other issue I always had with them is,.why would I pay MORE for a Noveske than you do for a KAC or LMT. So, after shooting with a few of my friends noveskes, I just stuck with KACs and hadnt paid much attention to them after. So, I will apologise on the mid length 12.5. But, I'm still going to give a triarc a go after running one for a day. Worth a shot.I do not use any adjustable gas blocks on anything. I can say for sure that both my Noveske ans Rainier Arms MID gas barrela are have no gas issues. They are set up well and run ligjts out. They are also lasers, with the Noveske being a bit better.
I have 6 differant Noveske barrels and all of them are properly gassed.
I wasn't aware of that either. I've been through almost a of centurions offers. As far as I've seen they only offer a 12.5 in carbine length.Centurion Arms does a 12.5” CHF mid gas too. Wouldn’t hesitate on theirs. IMO 12.5” mid gas should be dedicated suppressed for max reliability.
And I mean, I seen black river offered a 12.5 with a gas system between carbine and mid but, I don't trust BRT stuff in general.I wasn't aware of that either. I've been through almost a of centurions offers. As far as I've seen they only offer a 12.5 in carbine length.
Well that's good because adjustable gas blocks are silly. And maybe Noveske has gotten it together. That would be good because I thought John was a good dude. If that wasn't a $425 barrel I'd probably give it a go. Doesnt seem like they build a rifle with that barrel as an option which is weird. The other issue I always had with them is,.why would I pay MORE for a Noveske than you do for a KAC or LMT. So, after shooting with a few of my friends noveskes, I just stuck with KACs and hadnt paid much attention to them after. So, I will apologise on the mid length 12.5. But, I'm still going to give a triarc a go after running one for a day. Worth a shot.
Because they are much more accurate and neither LMT or KAC makes a great SS barrel. I have 2 LMTs and Have shot many KAC rifles... no comparison when it come to accuracy and longevity of that accuracy (in the SS barrels compared to any other SS barrel).
agreed, the Argument of "why pay more" sounds like the civilian version of the military saying "we wont let you buy 20" match grade barrels for the Mk12 because we already have 20" barrels in supply" nevermind that those existing barrels are nowhere near match grade.
SS barrels aid in accuracy, not longevity. Both my KACs are sub moa guns with black hills 77 grain. And about 2.25 moa average off cheap ass reloaded .223. I can't ask for more than that on accuracy. But, KAC warranties their barrels for 20k rounds.Because they are much more accurate and neither LMT or KAC makes a great SS barrel. I have 2 LMTs and Have shot many KAC rifles... no comparison when it come to accuracy and longevity of that accuracy (in the SS barrels compared to any other SS barrel).
SS barrels aid in accuracy, not longevity. Both my KACs are sub moa guns with black hills 77 grain. And about 2.25 moa average off cheap ass reloaded .223. I can't ask for more than that on accuracy. But, KAC warranties their barrels for 20k rounds.
They did prior to the great buy-up prior to the election. Nothing on there now, but not much barrels in-stock, regardless. It was directly stated that it was a longer mid-length cut-down when it was previously offered on their site. I’m sure one could call and order it, judging by my dealings with them over the years.I wasn't aware of that either. I've been through almost a of centurions offers. As far as I've seen they only offer a 12.5 in carbine length.
I know they aren’t as mainstream, but I can tell you I’ve had zero issue with their HD gas port inserts on 5 different Noveske CHF barrels.And I mean, I seen black river offered a 12.5 with a gas system between carbine and mid but, I don't trust BRT stuff in general.
SS barrels aid in accuracy, not longevity. Both my KACs are sub moa guns with black hills 77 grain. And about 2.25 moa average off cheap ass reloaded .223. I can't ask for more than that on accuracy. But, KAC warranties their barrels for 20k rounds.
I might have to give MSTN a try. They have a very good reputation and are always posting solid info on the hide.I just had Wes Grant from MSTN build me a Fully Custom built AR-15 Pistol, this was my Favorite Gun until I showed it to my Wife then it disappeared just like that lol. It fits my Wife Perfectly and it is the MOST SOLID Gun I own. I was planning on him Building me another but he never got back to me so I bought a Daniel Defense V7 SLW and put an Aimpoint Comp5 on it. I have an an Aimpoint T2 on Top of the MSTN. This is One Bad Gun
Some recent discussion in this thread regarding Noveske stainless barrels.
I am on the hunt for one of their 12.5" stainless "crusader" barrels. I know they use to be a thing - is Noveske even producing them anymore? I can't find any references to contemporary production and they are out of stock everywhere. ...of course, everything is out of stock everywhere so that doesn't tell me much.
So 12.5" stainless Noveske Crusader barrels - still "getable" or not?
That's great news Doc - glad to hear it. I'll keep my eyes peeled.They still make them. Just like everything else they are difficult to find.
fwiw, my daniel defense CHF 12.5 barrel is sub moa with mk262. Surprisingly its a solid 600yd gun, not a whole lot of ke out there but I wouldn't want to be shot by it. 2573 FPS w/ issue mk262 . Barrel manufacturers just seem to really have it together for the most part nowadays.
A DD 12.5 would have been a strong contender but they don't make it in a complete rifle
Have you happened to compare against the Criterion CORE series?From everything i have heard Triarc makes the best 12.5 middy around because of their track 2.0 rifling which creates a tighter seal between the bullet and the barrel making for a more efficient system and allowing them to play around with the gas port sizes. not only that but as others have said they just choose high quality components and put in the extra effort to maintain a high level of QC and keep tolerance stacking to a minimum.
Basically its a basic B* AR with a pretty paint job, an awesome barrel/handgaurd and a hobbyists level of attention to detail and QC.
which is exactly what i was looking for.
That's why the only thing dd on that gun is the barrelTheir barrels are what they do well and they are worth more than what they sell them for.
Their rifles on the other hand are overpriced for the sum of the parts
If you shoot the 77gr TMK from a 12.5” at 2547fps, it matches a 77gr SMK/Mk.262 from an 18” SPR at 600yds for speed/energy.
.420 G1 BC vs .362 G1
I was just shooting my 16” MLGS SOPMOD Block II Recce at 400yds this morning with 69gr SMK (.305 BC) in 1/4 value 3mph wind on steel, which is boring really. The 16”/69gr SMK combo is noticeably inferior to a 12.5” with 77gr TMK.
I decided a while ago that I won’t be buying anything longer than 12.5” for 5.56, since not even a 20” 5.56 compares well with my 10.5” and 12” Grendels, but I still keep a large selection of 5.56 blasters.
hahahahahahha thats why i had mine cut to 12.515, last thing you want is high SD compromising your dynamic launch vector.Have you done any testing on SD? all the stuff I have found online in regards to testing which admittedly is not a lot shows the 12.5 to have a weird increase in SD not seen with other barrel lengths.
Hello I paid $3100 fro mine but it was worth every penny, I have rifles from JP Enterprise, Nemo Arms, Daniel Defense and V7 Weapons and the MSTN AR-15 Pistol is without a doubt my favorite. I just wish I would have known about Wes before I bought my other rifles. Don't get me wrong all of my Rifles are top notch and I wouldn't sell any of them but my MSTN is just a little above the Rest.I might have to give MSTN a try. They have a very good reputation and are always posting solid info on the hide.
How much did that gun cost?
I would prefer to keep the cost of the gun itself under 2500
Hello I paid $3100 fro mine but it was worth every penny, I have rifles from JP Enterprise, Nemo Arms, Daniel Defense and V7 Weapons and the MSTN AR-15 Pistol is without a doubt my favorite. I just wish I would have known about Wes before I bought my other rifles. Don't get me wrong all of my Rifles are top notch and I wouldn't sell any of them but my MSTN is just a little above the Rest.
I have not done any focused testing on SD, but the lighter weight carbines/SBRs/pistols will be more prone to wider SDs based on shooter body mass and inconsistent position/hold/fundamentals. My ES with the 12” Grendel with factory 120gr American Eagle was 51fps, but I didn’t notice when shooting 24”x36” buffalo steel at 800yds 9/10 hits with it (6600ft ASL, thin air).Have you done any testing on SD? all the stuff I have found online in regards to testing which admittedly is not a lot shows the 12.5 to have a weird increase in SD not seen with other barrel lengths.