Re: Trigger seletion / narrowed to 3 / feedback needed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trident1982</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TripleD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RufDog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask a geissle or CMC owner about adjust-ability...... </div></div>
Funny you should mention that. I've had 3 greaseleys & 1 CMC. The geisseles (1 2 sage & 1 single stage) both had nasty trigger pulls. It felt like when you hit the wall where its supposed to break, you then had to go through a section that felt like dragging over dried hooker blood & bone fragments. (yes, they were clean & installed properly) CMC's arent bad but they are sealed & arent adjustable. I wouldt have the 2 previous opinions if I hadnt also owned an AR Gold. They ARE that much better of a trigger, and they are adjustable. (& they're reliable, dont double etc even when set below 2lbs)
You would be fine to run a Geissele or CMC so long as you never use a really good trigger. If you've only pulled mil spec's, a geissele or CMC will feel great. </div></div>
I figured the above bullshit would have been already called out on the hide.
How often have you felt the feeling of dragging something over "dried hooker blood", and "fragments"? Cool analogy anyway.
Beyond your quite imaginative, and unfounded/unproven declarative language you used above, the grammar and spelling in it is below elementary level.
In regards to your "greaseleys"....one of the problematic triggers is clearly make believe since Geissele Automatic's doesn't even make a Single stage trigger. ALG makes a single stage, however GA only makes 2 stage and "hybrid/rolling" triggers.
If you really had a Geissele trigger that was less than perfect....I can unequivocally state that GA would do every thing in their power to make it right. GA is known as easily one of the best CS/QC outfits there is.
I'll put my money where my mouth is, and offer to buy every single one of those nasty feeling Geissele triggers from you for their org. MSRP, you can have all the "really good triggers", and I'll use the lowly GA triggers.
I'm being serious....PM if you weren't just playing around on the internet!
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Finally! Someone who isn't riding bandwagons off into oblivion (nice signature block TripleD)
Trident, this is much less of an informational forum, rather it is more of an argument forum (regarding SH as a whole, as opposed to this particular thread). While there is good information found within it, there's a lot to sort through. Back to the issue at hand....TripleD offered, what I feel to be, an accurate comment. He offered his advise because (as he indicated) he had experience with some of the triggers listed. Now, he did it with some candor & I think we can all appreciate that.
Lets refresh our memories as to what this thread's purpose is
"need input from folks that has 1rst hand experience in these triggers"
Obviously, I share similar feelings to TripleD as to how the Geissle stacks up. I (as does he) bases it on having owned both. I have shot around 60,000rds using an AR Gold and around 1,000 with a Geissele. There are several things I can say that are true (since I have owned both).
AR GOLD- out of the box it is great. When you break it, it breaks clean with no creep & the reset is the shortest on the market. When adjusted; the trigger has no creep and can be set below 2lbs (safely). When you feel the wall, it breaks. There's no grit or drag. *now when I talk about adjusting the AR Gold, I am talking about using the 2 exposed allen head screws (no polishing or stoning).
Geissele S3G & ____(whatever the hell model my other one is)
S3G- When you hit the wall with this trigger, it doesnt just break, it has lenght & grit.
Other geissele- a slightly better vesion of the above. Neither are adjustable.
In your argument I see you reference the following things:
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Being called out on the hide</span>- simple issue of diverging from the mainstream
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Unfounded/un</span>pro</span>ven- I am seeing a lack of informed rebuttal on YOUR part. What are your experiences like with the AR Gold?
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Problematic trigger</span>-misquoting, he never said it was problematic. YOU said that.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"> Geissele doesnt make a 2 Stage</span>- (
http://geissele.com/hi-speeddesignatedmarksmanrifledmr.aspx) apparently they do make at least one...that or they are lying on their website.
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Dried hooker blood & bone fragments</span>- Hilarious! His profile lists he is in Iraq. Considering the military pulled out, he must be working for another organization cause, if he was a citizen he wouldn't likely know about these triggers.
<span style="text-decoration: underline">GA making everything perfect</span>- GA cant make a part do something it isnt capable of based on its design and perfect varies person to person (I suppose).
Finally- "I'll put my money where my mouth is, and offer to buy every single one of those nasty feeling Geissele triggers from you for their org. MSRP, you can have all the "really good triggers", and I'll use the lowly GA triggers." You went on to say "I can unequivocally state that GA would do every thing in their power to make it right"
-I applaud you for putting your money where your mouth is. I'm sure TripleD appreciates it.
<span style="text-decoration: underline">GRAMMAR</span>- My favorite part of your argument! A nice touch that I'm sure everyone appreciates you pointing out, after all it is an important part of shooting. A quick source from the internet on this (feel free to research the subject):
Albert Einstein
Being bilingual, one could hardly blame Einstein for being a bad speller in English. Yet it wasn't just in English that Einstein struggled. He also was a pretty bad speller in his native German, and got even worse when he began using English more regularly. Of course, Einstein didn't make those same errors when it came to writing mathematical equations, a fact that helped to make his name synonymous with genius today.
Let me clearly say; if you like Geissele triggers thats fine! It may be just what you need/like/want. People prefer different things! I dont think they are a bad trigger,nor am I saying that. I make my comparisons based on what I think are important. In this instance, I compare the strong points of the AR Gold to what I believe to be weak points of the Geissele. Do people shoot & win with Geissele? You're damn right they do. Team Noveske uses them & Rob stomps all sorts of ass. I do think there is a better trigger (for me anyway). I support the statement "better" based on:
Adjustability
Crisp Break
Short reset
Who the F is Triple D? I have no damned idea, his profile isnt very comprehensive. When I see something I think is wrong, the first thing I do is look at their profile then google search their name. You can tell pretty fast (often times) who has experience based on web sites & match result listings. *I do understand some peoples desires to remain anonymous. However, their posts should pass the common sense test, IE- add up.
What I see all to often here is people trash mouthing people who share diverging viewpoints. I also see people with experience getting bashed for sharing accurate opinions and facts. It seems to be that the person with the highest post count OR, the person who diverges least from the mainstream (here in internet forum land) wins. This is total bull shit. I see people getting bashed constantly for asking innocent questions or offering advise that isnt mainstream according to high posters here on SH. I think this community is better served by people who shoot more & stay within their scope of experience when offering advise to others in good faith & with good intentions.
