Trigger seletion / narrowed to 3 / feedback needed

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Looking to upgrade my trigger on my Noveske SPR and have narrowed my selection to 3 the Geissele SSA since it feels nice with my POF308 with awesome results. But been reading up and torn with 2 other units the Timney 3lbs single stage and the CMC 3.5 single stage which I have not had the pleasure of squeezing,

Basically need input from folks that has 1rst hand experience in these triggers and feedback as to why it improved accuracy and so on.

Thanks in advance SH.
 
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+ Geissele SSA +

It's installed on my 6920 and what a difference. Outstanding trigger! The only after-market trigger I would depend on.

Kevin
 
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I just put the CMC in a 223 and 308 AR's last weekend. Haven't gotten to the range yet but in dry fire they are outstanding. I was looking at the three you had mentioned but price was the deciding factor for me. They are all good

Edited to add: I went with the straight trigger too. I like how it gives a longer trigger reach.
 
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I have the Geissele SSA-E on my Gap10 and my AR-15 and really like them. I don't have any experience with the Timney and probably never will cause i like the Geissele so much. I like the 2 stage triggers and it breaks clean and crisp.
good luck in your choice
 
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I have a RRA 2stage in my SBR and my 6.8 but have the SSA in my Mega MA-Ten and love it. The SSA is a trememdnous impovement over the RRA. The RRA is so much better then the gritty GI trigger. I highly suggest the SSA. Damn good trigger!
 
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Geissele. Geissele triggers are among the best triggers I've put my hands on, and is why Geissele & ALG are the only aftermarket triggers I run on my rifles. While the ALG is essentially a "better milspec trigger", the SSA and SD triggers by Geissele are a world apart and are a massive step up in performance. I've used various single stage triggers, but for both a combat rifle and a precision rifle, the two-stage Geisseles have a superior feel that I feel gives a lot more control and tactile feel. They're also durable and reliable, which is why their triggers are used in the SpecOps community.
 
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Geissele.

I run a timney 3lb in my 3 gun and a Geissele in my OBR. Both are very smooth triggers. But when it comes to reliability... Geissele is the hands down winner. The timney drop in triggers use a 2 screw tension apparatus to push up against the trigger pins and if they get loose (which mine have) your trigger is no longer operable leaving you dead in the water. The Geissele uses the traditional spring design which has clearly been proven.

That's not to say timney is a bad trigger.... But of the two... Geissele is the better choice.
 
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yes the Geissele SSA is hard to beat. I will probably try an SSA-E or an adjustable match geiselle next. That being said I just bought a JP LRP-07 rifle. I am completely blown away with the quality of that rifle. It is head and shoulders above any other 308 AR I have seen and the trigger is unreal. It is a single stage though as opposed to the 2 stage Geissele. Certainly can't go wrong with geissele. IF you like the SSA stick with it. If you think you might like a bit lighter pull go SSA-E or an adjustable.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RufDog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask a geissle or CMC owner about adjust-ability...... </div></div>

Funny you should mention that. I've had 3 greaseleys & 1 CMC. The geisseles (1 2 sage & 1 single stage) both had nasty trigger pulls. It felt like when you hit the wall where its supposed to break, you then had to go through a section that felt like dragging over dried hooker blood & bone fragments. (yes, they were clean & installed properly) CMC's arent bad but they are sealed & arent adjustable. I wouldt have the 2 previous opinions if I hadnt also owned an AR Gold. They ARE that much better of a trigger, and they are adjustable. (& they're reliable, dont double etc even when set below 2lbs)

You would be fine to run a Geissele or CMC so long as you never use a really good trigger. If you've only pulled mil spec's, a geissele or CMC will feel great.
 
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After a week of brain ping-pong trying to figure out what trigger will go on my toy. I finally went with the SSA-E.
ETA July 19, I'll give a range report when I can. Thanks for the feedback hiders.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TripleD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RufDog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask a geissle or CMC owner about adjust-ability...... </div></div>

Funny you should mention that. I've had 3 greaseleys & 1 CMC. The geisseles (1 2 sage & 1 single stage) both had nasty trigger pulls. It felt like when you hit the wall where its supposed to break, you then had to go through a section that felt like dragging over dried hooker blood & bone fragments. (yes, they were clean & installed properly) CMC's arent bad but they are sealed & arent adjustable. I wouldt have the 2 previous opinions if I hadnt also owned an AR Gold. They ARE that much better of a trigger, and they are adjustable. (& they're reliable, dont double etc even when set below 2lbs)

You would be fine to run a Geissele or CMC so long as you never use a really good trigger. If you've only pulled mil spec's, a geissele or CMC will feel great. </div></div>

I figured the above bullshit would have been already called out on the hide.

How often have you felt the feeling of dragging something over "dried hooker blood", and "fragments"? Cool analogy anyway.

Beyond your quite imaginative, and unfounded/unproven declarative language you used above, the grammar and spelling in it is below elementary level.

In regards to your "greaseleys"....one of the problematic triggers is clearly make believe since Geissele Automatic's doesn't even make a Single stage trigger. ALG makes a single stage, however GA only makes 2 stage and "hybrid/rolling" triggers.

If you really had a Geissele trigger that was less than perfect....I can unequivocally state that GA would do every thing in their power to make it right. GA is known as easily one of the best CS/QC outfits there is.

I'll put my money where my mouth is, and offer to buy every single one of those nasty feeling Geissele triggers from you for their org. MSRP, you can have all the "really good triggers", and I'll use the lowly GA triggers.

I'm being serious....PM if you weren't just playing around on the internet!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trident1982</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TripleD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RufDog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask a geissle or CMC owner about adjust-ability...... </div></div>

Funny you should mention that. I've had 3 greaseleys & 1 CMC. The geisseles (1 2 sage & 1 single stage) both had nasty trigger pulls. It felt like when you hit the wall where its supposed to break, you then had to go through a section that felt like dragging over dried hooker blood & bone fragments. (yes, they were clean & installed properly) CMC's arent bad but they are sealed & arent adjustable. I wouldt have the 2 previous opinions if I hadnt also owned an AR Gold. They ARE that much better of a trigger, and they are adjustable. (& they're reliable, dont double etc even when set below 2lbs)

You would be fine to run a Geissele or CMC so long as you never use a really good trigger. If you've only pulled mil spec's, a geissele or CMC will feel great. </div></div>

I figured the above bullshit would have been already called out on the hide.

How often have you felt the feeling of dragging something over "dried hooker blood", and "fragments"? Cool analogy anyway.

Beyond your quite imaginative, and unfounded/unproven declarative language you used above, the grammar and spelling in it is below elementary level.

In regards to your "greaseleys"....one of the problematic triggers is clearly make believe since Geissele Automatic's doesn't even make a Single stage trigger. ALG makes a single stage, however GA only makes 2 stage and "hybrid/rolling" triggers.

If you really had a Geissele trigger that was less than perfect....I can unequivocally state that GA would do every thing in their power to make it right. GA is known as easily one of the best CS/QC outfits there is.

I'll put my money where my mouth is, and offer to buy every single one of those nasty feeling Geissele triggers from you for their org. MSRP, you can have all the "really good triggers", and I'll use the lowly GA triggers.

I'm being serious....PM if you weren't just playing around on the internet!
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Finally! Someone who isn't riding bandwagons off into oblivion (nice signature block TripleD)
Trident, this is much less of an informational forum, rather it is more of an argument forum (regarding SH as a whole, as opposed to this particular thread). While there is good information found within it, there's a lot to sort through. Back to the issue at hand....TripleD offered, what I feel to be, an accurate comment. He offered his advise because (as he indicated) he had experience with some of the triggers listed. Now, he did it with some candor & I think we can all appreciate that.

Lets refresh our memories as to what this thread's purpose is
"need input from folks that has 1rst hand experience in these triggers"

Obviously, I share similar feelings to TripleD as to how the Geissle stacks up. I (as does he) bases it on having owned both. I have shot around 60,000rds using an AR Gold and around 1,000 with a Geissele. There are several things I can say that are true (since I have owned both).
AR GOLD- out of the box it is great. When you break it, it breaks clean with no creep & the reset is the shortest on the market. When adjusted; the trigger has no creep and can be set below 2lbs (safely). When you feel the wall, it breaks. There's no grit or drag. *now when I talk about adjusting the AR Gold, I am talking about using the 2 exposed allen head screws (no polishing or stoning).
Geissele S3G & ____(whatever the hell model my other one is)
S3G- When you hit the wall with this trigger, it doesnt just break, it has lenght & grit.
Other geissele- a slightly better vesion of the above. Neither are adjustable.

In your argument I see you reference the following things:
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Being called out on the hide</span>- simple issue of diverging from the mainstream
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic">Unfounded/un</span>pro</span>ven- I am seeing a lack of informed rebuttal on YOUR part. What are your experiences like with the AR Gold?
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Problematic trigger</span>-misquoting, he never said it was problematic. YOU said that.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"> Geissele doesnt make a 2 Stage</span>- (http://geissele.com/hi-speeddesignatedmarksmanrifledmr.aspx) apparently they do make at least one...that or they are lying on their website.
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Dried hooker blood & bone fragments</span>- Hilarious! His profile lists he is in Iraq. Considering the military pulled out, he must be working for another organization cause, if he was a citizen he wouldn't likely know about these triggers.
<span style="text-decoration: underline">GA making everything perfect</span>- GA cant make a part do something it isnt capable of based on its design and perfect varies person to person (I suppose).
Finally- "I'll put my money where my mouth is, and offer to buy every single one of those nasty feeling Geissele triggers from you for their org. MSRP, you can have all the "really good triggers", and I'll use the lowly GA triggers." You went on to say "I can unequivocally state that GA would do every thing in their power to make it right"
-I applaud you for putting your money where your mouth is. I'm sure TripleD appreciates it.
<span style="text-decoration: underline">GRAMMAR</span>- My favorite part of your argument! A nice touch that I'm sure everyone appreciates you pointing out, after all it is an important part of shooting. A quick source from the internet on this (feel free to research the subject):
Albert Einstein

Being bilingual, one could hardly blame Einstein for being a bad speller in English. Yet it wasn't just in English that Einstein struggled. He also was a pretty bad speller in his native German, and got even worse when he began using English more regularly. Of course, Einstein didn't make those same errors when it came to writing mathematical equations, a fact that helped to make his name synonymous with genius today.


Let me clearly say; if you like Geissele triggers thats fine! It may be just what you need/like/want. People prefer different things! I dont think they are a bad trigger,nor am I saying that. I make my comparisons based on what I think are important. In this instance, I compare the strong points of the AR Gold to what I believe to be weak points of the Geissele. Do people shoot & win with Geissele? You're damn right they do. Team Noveske uses them & Rob stomps all sorts of ass. I do think there is a better trigger (for me anyway). I support the statement "better" based on:
Adjustability
Crisp Break
Short reset

Who the F is Triple D? I have no damned idea, his profile isnt very comprehensive. When I see something I think is wrong, the first thing I do is look at their profile then google search their name. You can tell pretty fast (often times) who has experience based on web sites & match result listings. *I do understand some peoples desires to remain anonymous. However, their posts should pass the common sense test, IE- add up.

What I see all to often here is people trash mouthing people who share diverging viewpoints. I also see people with experience getting bashed for sharing accurate opinions and facts. It seems to be that the person with the highest post count OR, the person who diverges least from the mainstream (here in internet forum land) wins. This is total bull shit. I see people getting bashed constantly for asking innocent questions or offering advise that isnt mainstream according to high posters here on SH. I think this community is better served by people who shoot more & stay within their scope of experience when offering advise to others in good faith & with good intentions.
 
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FYI...I hadn't posted a single reply in close til a month on here til I read about dried hooker blood and fragments.

If you want to spell out a diatribe defending Jo blo on the net who made a complete hit and run post, then by all means...have fun. It doesn't mean I'm going to play around in the cabbage patch with you two.

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"You would be fine to run a Geissele or CMC so long as you never use a really good trigger. If you've only pulled mil spec's, a geissele or CMC will feel great."
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Nobody with extensive time behind ARs/triggers would blast off with that silliness. Thankfully I've never used a really good trigger for any period of time in my various rifles over the years, so my ignorance is bliss, and the Geissele triggers still feel like dudeman said...better than a mil spec trigger;)




 
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Trident, I dont appreciate the fashon inwhich you assume so much and you being so critical while unable to make a relevant contribution to the thread. I based what I said on the topic and referenced my EXPERIENCE. What I did was have a different experience than you (if you even had one). Maybe you have owned an AR Gold but I'd say it is more likely you read things on here & recycle it. Either way, I dont appreciate off topic personal insults...and I think its unprofessional as well as degrading to everyone here. Additionally, it undermines the spirit of the forum. Furthermore, it pushes new & inexperienced shooters away.

As far as RufDog "blasting off silliness- I googled that dude. He took 3rd at the Mammoth Sniper Challenge last summer and was 15th or something at one of the big CMMG 3Gun matches. He probably has legitimate experience. Taking into account available information, I'd say he has "extensive time behind ARs/triggers" as you put it.


Rufdog! Semper Fi! I took your advise & did an internet search and I see another Trident on AR15.com has 4700 some posts on AR15.com. I didnt want to get forum slayed, but since you broke the ice....
In browsing around on here I do see what you are saying. If its not GA, Larue or Raineer etc then you're wrong and obviously stupid & not welcome (according to SOME) & not that those companies dont make good stuff (better cover that base or i'd be bashing companies). There's opinionated, inexperienced tool boxes everywhere you go I suppose...and based on my very limited time on this forum, some will make very bold personal confrontational statements in some sort of attempt at undermining others. *(sorry, that was probably a run on sentence) My low post count makes me like a baby deer, so inexperienced, so vulnerable......oh my, my mom just got shot ':(

I suppose this is thread drift as they say. Sorry for getting off base SuperMoto. I hope you're aware of who you're taking advise from.
 
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Anyone can recommend a trigger to someone else, just like they can guns, scopes, ammo and components, camouflage, gear, cars, trucks, computers, golf clubs, televisions, women, etc. Until you can try the ones you're looking at you won't know.

I have had the opportunity to shoot dozens of different triggers from different manufacturers in AR/M16/M4/AR10-style rifles, paid for by the US Government or lent by industry. Many are hype and horseshit. Many are functional. Some even meet their claimed performance standards. Triggers may also be specifically designed for different (sport and recreational) disciplines as well.

Bill Geissele made his (trigger) fortune by building one of the best National Match triggers picked up by military shooting teams, then a tremendous two-stage trigger that allowed full-automatic fire that was picked up by the US Special Operations Command. He makes nearly a dozen different variations.

Other trigger manufacturers build theirs to appeal to gopher busters and 3-gun IPSC and dress-up games.

Take input from any (or many) forums and make up your own mind. If you don't like the answer Google it and go somewhere else.

The immaturity of the interwebz never ceases to astound me.
 
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@ TripleD, no harm done. Basically compiled all the input and research then equate it from there so any input is valid. I basically ended with a 2 stage for the safety aspect and the SSA-E with a total pull weight of 3.5 for the reason of wanting to go down in pull weight in increments and see for myself which weight I can get away with the most without compromising safety.

But all good peeps, I'm used to it coming from a guy who raced a euro dirtbike in a field for Japanese rice burners.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supermoto917</div><div class="ubbcode-body">@ TripleD, no harm done. Basically compiled all the input and research then equate it from there so any input is valid. I basically ended with a 2 stage for the safety aspect and the SSA-E with a total pull weight of 3.5 for the reason of wanting to go down in pull weight in increments and see for myself which weight I can get away with the most without compromising safety.

But all good peeps, I'm used to it coming from a guy who raced a euro dirtbike in a field for Japanese rice burners. </div></div>

I do not think you will be disappointed with your choice. I feel like an ass for this going over the top! Hopefully some chuckles were had over it all.
 
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Geissele's customer service is outstanding in my experience. If you have one of their products that you feel is sub-par, no one will be more concerned about it than Bill Geissele.
 
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I currently own the SSA, SD3G, AR Gold and SR Gold, and I can say without a doubt I prefer the AR series of triggers over my GA's. The AR series has a super short overall travel and then an even shorter reset, they break crisp and and fast, I have no issues with using one in combat or any other situation, it's durable and reliable and just as safe as any GA trigger out there. Now on the my GA triggers, I loath that 3G trigger, I hate the way they feel, it's pretty much just a constant 3.5lb pull the entire way, it felt like was just a way to get another trigger out on the market. It's hard to describe but it just didn't feel right to me and that's why it's no longer in any of my AR's. My SSA however while it's not my preferred trigger, I do still use it. It's a good trigger, nothing fancy about it, just a 5.5lb 2-stage, I wouldn't use it for precision AR use at all, the travel and reset are both about double what AR and SR gold is. THe ONLY thing the GA has over the AR series is that you can put a GA in a small or large frame AR, it doesn't matter. the AR series you need an AR Gold for a small frame and then an SR gold for a large frame, if you are running an SR25 series large frame like an OBR you will need to have a different hammer put on the trigger since it's made specifically for the AR10 series of rifles, no big issue, AR takes care of you just as well as GA does. Hope this gives everyone here a little more insight in to these triggers.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ShawnH82</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I currently own the SSA, SD3G, AR Gold and SR Gold, and I can say without a doubt I prefer the AR series of triggers over my GA's. The AR series has a super short overall travel and then an even shorter reset, they break crisp and and fast, I have no issues with using one in combat or any other situation, it's durable and reliable and just as safe as any GA trigger out there. Now on the my GA triggers, I loath that 3G trigger, I hate the way they feel, it's pretty much just a constant 3.5lb pull the entire way, it felt like was just a way to get another trigger out on the market. It's hard to describe but it just didn't feel right to me and that's why it's no longer in any of my AR's. My SSA however while it's not my preferred trigger, I do still use it. It's a good trigger, nothing fancy about it, just a 5.5lb 2-stage, I wouldn't use it for precision AR use at all, the travel and reset are both about double what AR and SR gold is. THe ONLY thing the GA has over the AR series is that you can put a GA in a small or large frame AR, it doesn't matter. the AR series you need an AR Gold for a small frame and then an SR gold for a large frame, if you are running an SR25 series large frame like an OBR you will need to have a different hammer put on the trigger since it's made specifically for the AR10 series of rifles, no big issue, AR takes care of you just as well as GA does. Hope this gives everyone here a little more insight in to these triggers.</div></div>

I agree, the SR Gold is amazing. Just put one in a 308 gasser. Love the light crisp break and short reset. Had a JP single stage in the gun prior. Love JP triggers in a 3gun AR, buy not crazy of the ones I've tried in a large frame gas gun. Don't know why, but they feel different. The SR Gold is pretty close to a tuned bolt gun trigger with just a little take up. Very nice.
 
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I have 2 AR Gold, 4 different Geiss., and 7 other triggers in AR15's; sure I would like the best possible in each rifle but cost comes into consideration also! I believe some triggers are better for certain purposes: my fav 3-gun trigger is not my favorite varmint rifle trigger
 
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Love my GA SSA E sooo much I got he SR gold for my 308.

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Hahahaha , just thought about that post which I typed on my phone so it was a bit short and no explaination and it may sound likeI didn't like the SSA-E but I actually do for the SPR. I like that somewhat long 1rst stage thenpretty crisp break. I figure I can get away with a shorter 1rst stage on the 308 so I wanted to check out the SR gold. Should be able to hit the range in the next weekend or 2 for some range reports.
 
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I've been running the RRA NM 2 stage triggers for a while, for the money those are pretty slick. I do have a SSA-E in my 18" 6.8, so far I'm liking it. I got another build coming up that I might try Wilson's TTU in...

One thing I have determined is good triggers are damn expensive, lol.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TripleD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RufDog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask a geissle or CMC owner about adjust-ability...... </div></div>

Funny you should mention that. I've had 3 greaseleys & 1 CMC. The geisseles (1 2 sage & 1 single stage) both had nasty trigger pulls. It felt like when you hit the wall where its supposed to break, you then had to go through a section that felt like dragging over dried hooker blood & bone fragments. (yes, they were clean & installed properly) CMC's arent bad but they are sealed & arent adjustable. I wouldt have the 2 previous opinions if I hadnt also owned an AR Gold. They ARE that much better of a trigger, and they are adjustable. (& they're reliable, dont double etc even when set below 2lbs)

You would be fine to run a Geissele or CMC so long as you never use a really good trigger. If you've only pulled mil spec's, a geissele or CMC will feel great. </div></div>

What single stage trigger does Geissele Automatics make? Your statement that Geissele triggers are nasty, rough, and generally can't hold a candle to the AR Gold is misleading at best and a downright lie at worst. The reality is that they different designs that have different priorities. The AR Gold is for those that the need the absolute shortest pretravel, lightest pull, and shortest reset (maily 3-gun gamers in my book). The non-adjustable GA 2-stage triggers (derived from the SSF) were designed with durability, reliabilty, and saftey in mind, but in no way are they gritty or rough.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elephantrider</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TripleD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RufDog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask a geissle or CMC owner about adjust-ability...... </div></div>

Funny you should mention that. I've had 3 greaseleys & 1 CMC. The geisseles (1 2 sage & 1 single stage) both had nasty trigger pulls. It felt like when you hit the wall where its supposed to break, you then had to go through a section that felt like dragging over dried hooker blood & bone fragments. (yes, they were clean & installed properly) CMC's arent bad but they are sealed & arent adjustable. I wouldt have the 2 previous opinions if I hadnt also owned an AR Gold. They ARE that much better of a trigger, and they are adjustable. (& they're reliable, dont double etc even when set below 2lbs)

You would be fine to run a Geissele or CMC so long as you never use a really good trigger. If you've only pulled mil spec's, a geissele or CMC will feel great. </div></div>

What single stage trigger does Geissele Automatics make? Your statement that Geissele triggers are nasty, rough, and generally can't hold a candle to the AR Gold is misleading at best and a downright lie at worst. The reality is that they different designs that have different priorities. The AR Gold is for those that the need the absolute shortest pretravel, lightest pull, and shortest reset (maily 3-gun gamers in my book). The non-adjustable GA 2-stage triggers (derived from the SSF) were designed with durability, reliabilty, and saftey in mind, but in no way are they gritty or rough. </div></div>

wow, good work, you found me out. I made it all up. Go about your day with the happiness that you've taught me a lesson
 
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oh, Elephant! While you're here please substantiate yourself for the good of the forum. What is the depth of your experience with the Gold? Have you owned one? (We know at this point you're going to say yes regardless...) You imply that you did find it unsafe? Describe to me the safety issues you encountered. I'm really interested in safety & you could save lives by explaining yourself.

I dont really care who buys what trigger. A question was asked & answered. Somehow, if you dont prefer a geissele over the AR Gold, then you're lying about something & misrepresenting facts. It seems like a democratic trend, or maybe a contingency award program of sorts????
 
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Elephant rider, for pete's sake, make a useful post & cite something beneficial. You arent helping anyone with this. I'm one of the 3 Gun gamers according to "your book". My name IS listed in my signature, so look me up (the good bad & ugly match finishes) and then talk informed trash/accusations.
 
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Elephant man, you're rolling up in here like a high schooler at a middle school dance. That shit just doesnt work everywhere kid.
 
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Wow, there are a lot of apples and oranges comparisons going on here. Yes, there are many triggers to choose from and some are more appropriate for some uses than others.

As far as the SSA and SSA-E go, they are not, nor were they ever intended to be "match" triggers. They are Geissele's versions of service triggers. They are completely non adjustable. You drop them in and what you get is what you have. They don't accomplish the trigger pull with any slight of hand or through the use of light springs. It's all in the design and geometry. I feel that the fact that many choose to use the trigger in their SPRs or other precision type builds is a testament to the design and execution of the product.

Comparing the AR Gold trigger to the SSA-E really isn't a fair comparison. From what I remember, the AR Gold trigger is adjustable and is represented to be a "match" trigger.

If you want to compare the AR Gold to something in the Geissele lineup, I beleive a fair comparison would be to one of Geissele's Hi Speed models. Those are match grade triggers.

As for the Geissele three gun, I do have to admit that my experiences have been hit and miss. Most were super clean and FAST, while others left something to be desired.
 
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I have a Geissele HI-Speed DMR, very nice trigger. Haven't tried the others ones so I have no comment on them. I would buy another DMR. With spring changes you have alot of options with this trigger.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TonyAngel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, there are a lot of apples and oranges comparisons going on here. Yes, there are many triggers to choose from and some are more appropriate for some uses than others.

As far as the SSA and SSA-E go, they are not, nor were they ever intended to be "match" triggers. They are Geissele's versions of service triggers. They are completely non adjustable. You drop them in and what you get is what you have. They don't accomplish the trigger pull with any slight of hand or through the use of light springs. It's all in the design and geometry. I feel that the fact that many choose to use the trigger in their SPRs or other precision type builds is a testament to the design and execution of the product.

Comparing the AR Gold trigger to the SSA-E really isn't a fair comparison. From what I remember, the AR Gold trigger is adjustable and is represented to be a "match" trigger.

If you want to compare the AR Gold to something in the Geissele lineup, I beleive a fair comparison would be to one of Geissele's Hi Speed models. Those are match grade triggers.

As for the Geissele three gun, I do have to admit that my experiences have been hit and miss. Most were super clean and FAST, while others left something to be desired. </div></div>

Tony, thank you for the clarification. I appreciate some knowledgeable direction on the models that are more similar to be comparing.
 
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I run Timney in both mine, brother in law has a Geissele. I prefer the single stage and the Timney seems to have a cleaner release. The Timney is faster to install and just be sure to torque down the tension screws.
 
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For those with the AR gold or SR Gold triggers, what keeps the pins from walking out. The timney has set screws but the AR Gold comes with provided pins. From the video (you tube installation video) it looks like the pins install with finger pressure. What keeps them from falling out? Thank you.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hlee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those with the AR gold or SR Gold triggers, what keeps the pins from walking out. The timney has set screws but the AR Gold comes with provided pins. From the video (you tube installation video) it looks like the pins install with finger pressure. What keeps them from falling out? Thank you. </div></div>

The pins lock in with spring clips on either side like a lot of other trigger assemblies. I have never heard of anyones walking out but I put KNS pins in all my rifles as an extra precaution.
 
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A lot of these trigger threads read a whole lot like scope threads. Someone is looking for a scope and everyone jumps on the bandwagon with which scope they think has the best glass, often ignoring other things that can be just as, if not more important.

This thread has concentrated on pull weight and crispness of the break. I'll agree that when you buy an "upgrade" trigger, you do want an improved feel; but that's not all that should be considered.

You really need to consider what the rifle will be used for and in what circumstances. A bone stock, run of the mill AR that is put together the way it was designed to be, can be broken down into it's major component parts using nothing more than the tip of a bullet. This is optimal for a rifle that is intended to be used in circumstances wherein you are away from most resources and have to depend on what you have with you; and what you have with you is limited to how much you can carry.

Through out this thread there have been at least a few references to triggers that require the tightening down of set screws and/or the use of KNS pins to keep things from coming apart. At least some of the triggers mentioned are also adjustable and tools are required to make these adjustments.

As nice as the AR is, it doesn't take much to render them useless. All it takes is a spring to quit doing what it's supposed to and you're screwed. Now add to this a trigger group that is adjustable and now you have the possibility of a screw coming loose, again rendering the rifle inoperable.

Now, if you top all of this off with a trigger that is in the form of a self contained unit, if it quits working, you'd better have a back up unit to install, or again, you're screwed.

The point is that there are considerations other than how good a trigger feels or how cleanly it breaks.

For example, the OP is building an SPR. If this rifle is intended for range use, match use, or even use in the field where tools and such are available, then fine. Go for whatever floats your boat.

On the other hand, if the rifle is intended to be used in situations where it absolutely positively has to work, then it's probably better to keep it simple. That way, if something goes wrong, all you need is the bullet to strip down the rifle and get to what needs to be changed.

I run a Magpul UBR stock that has a storage compartment and an MOE grip which also has a storage compartment. I keep a full set of springs and pins in the stock and a spare bolt in the grip. No tools required for whatever might come up. This is one of the reasons that I like the Geissele so much. It is a vast improvement over stock, but you can use milspec springs with it and nothing special is required to keep it running.

With most match triggers, you will need some sort of tool to fix what might be broken and in some cases, there just isn't any way to do repairs in the field when you might be two days away from any resources.
 
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I also like the KAS triggers (I think there are seven of them wandering around in my safe) but recently got a couple of Service Rifle triggers from GA. Still sorting out the heavy 1st stage/Very light second stage, but with more trigger time I think they will work out nicely. The KAS triggers will continue to populate my working guns.

Mike
 
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Alrighty, got back from the range and I have to say I am pleased with the choices I made ( GA SSA-E for the Noveske SPR ) and (SR Gold for the POF308) Now I'm not the best shot but with the help of a much better trigger system on both rifles I definitely tighten up my grouping and made it more consistent.

5 shot on the SPR - 77 smk from SWA
groups pretty close with 75 Hornady TAP and 64 SP TAP ammo
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10 shot ( about 1 second apart each shot )
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And 2 5 shot groups on the POF308 / 175 grain
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