Trouble finding 155gr .308 load...Help!

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Equipment: Remington 700 SPS-V (1:12 26"), AICS stock, NF NXS 5.5-22x56mm

My current load is: 168g SMK, 43.5grs IMR4895, Win brass, 2.810" COAL, CCI BR2 primers. With this load, the rifle is averaging 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups at 100yds. It will shoot sub-moa out to 600yds, with a 1.112 MOA 4 shot group at 500yds and a 4.446" 600yd group being among the best and I haven't tested it at ranges further than 600. The rifle absolutely loves this load, I can't get over the performance I am getting out of it. Other people have shot the rifle and all shoot 1/2" 5 shot groups at 100yds with ease, its quite predictable. But that's the only load that has seemed to work.

The problem is, I need to find another load using either a 175gr or 155gr bullet because I have some 1000yd matches coming up in the next few months. From the info. I've gathered, 168gr bullets tend to de-stabilize by the time they reach 1000yds and most shooters have more success with either a lighter, faster bullet or a heavier, wind resistant bullet. I tried 175gr Nosler custom bullets, loaded with Varget (i cant remember the sizes of charges I used) but they all grouped well over 1 MOA at 100yds.

Due to my slow twist rate, I want to use a 155gr bullet so I can push it faster than my 168gr load. I just tested a new batch of 155gr loads and had dissapointing results:

Test pack data: Lapua Scenar 155gr bullets, new and un-worked lapua brass, varget powder, CCI BR2 primers, 2.800" COAL. 25 rounds total, 5 shot tests of 45.0, 45.5,46.0, 46.5, 47.0 grains. All cartridges were put through a concentricity gauge and bullet run out was corrected. The 47.0 load was the only 5 shot group to measure under 1 MOA at 100 yds, but it also had one big flyer which surprised me as the shot felt good when it broke. The rest grouped terribly and were all over 1 MOA. I plan on testing the 47.0 load again, this time with different seating depths. Overall, the performance was terrible when compared to my 168gr load. I tried IMR4895 a few weeks ago with 155gr SMK bullets, but those also grouped pretty bad. I think that the IMR's burn rate is too fast for a lighter projectile. My buddy has an AI AW, with the same twist rate and barrel length as I do, and his Varget+Lapua Scenar 155gr load is grouping at 1/4 MOA at 100yds. I certainly don't expect those results with a factory barrel/action, but I do think that my rifle should be able to reach 1/2 moa with a 155gr bullet because of the great results I am already seeing with a 168gr bullet.

My questions for you:

Should I stick with my 1/2 MOA 168gr load when I shoot at 1000yds??
What should I change next time when I test the 155gr loads?
I am switching to 155gr. SMK Palma bullets because they cost much less, what should I load for a test pack?

Thanks a lot for the input!

 
Re: Trouble finding 155gr .308 load...Help!

Change to the 155 Scenar. They will outshoot the palma SMK any day of the week. Ill give you my 155 load that has worked and been well under a 1/2 MOA load in 3 different rifles, mine, USHandgunner,and ZLBubba. It is:

Win Brass
CCI BR2 primer
45.7 grs Reloder 15
155 Lapua Scenar (naked)
OAL 2.835
 
Re: Trouble finding 155gr .308 load...Help!

I use the following with 155 Scenars and have had good luck with accuracy and performance:

Remington Brass
CCI 200
45.0 RG 4895 (IMR 4895 is very, very similar)
155 Scenar
OAL 2.800"

2900 FPS (suppressed), 9.2 mils to 1000. If I do my part, the load can hold 1/2MOA. That's good enough for me.
 
Re: Trouble finding 155gr .308 load...Help!

You will be happy with Deadly's load and 155 or other but 168 SMK bullets do not fly well past 700-750 yds it’s not a weight issue, the boat tail is cut at a different angle than 175 SMK, and they were designed for 300 yd competitions. They get unstable at 1000 yds, notice I said SMK, if you ever get to pull targets at a 1000 you will see the difference. Other makers of 168 gr bullets might be fine, its 168 Sierra bullets that do not work.
 
Re: Trouble finding 155gr .308 load...Help!

46.2 RL15 or IMR4895, Lapua brass, CCI primers, becareful with 4895, in the Texas summer mine were going 3120, and tearing the brass up big time.
 
Re: Trouble finding 155gr .308 load...Help!

May people are finding the magic load to be 47.8 gr Varget (Win or 47.4-5 Lapua) with 155 Scenars.

Continue upwards in the charge weight department (unless pressure signs appear). And give up on 0.5gr spacings on this particular load development. 0.5 gr is too wide to find some of the accuracy nodes. Try working up from 47.0 to 47.8 in 0.2 gr steps. You should find THE accuracy window open up at 47.6 and close at 47.9-ish.
 
Re: Trouble finding 155gr .308 load...Help!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unsichtbar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You will be happy with Deadly's load and 155 or other but 168 SMK bullets do not fly well past 700-750 yds it’s not a weight issue, the boat tail is cut at a different angle than 175 SMK, and they were designed for 300 yd competitions. They get unstable at 1000 yds, notice I said SMK, if you ever get to pull targets at a 1000 you will see the difference. Other makers of 168 gr bullets might be fine, its 168 Sierra bullets that do not work. </div></div>

That's interesting, I knew they weren't good for 1000yds, but I didn't realize that it was only the SMK that has that problem. And I didn't know it was because of the boat tail dimensions. Either way I don't want to use a 168gr at 1000yds, they are working great for me out to 600yds but I need a 155gr load for my 1000yd matches. Thanks for the input so far everyone, keep it coming!
 
Re: Trouble finding 155gr .308 load...Help!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MitchAlsup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">May people are finding the magic load to be 47.8 gr Varget (Win or 47.4-5 Lapua) with 155 Scenars.

Continue upwards in the charge weight department (unless pressure signs appear). And give up on 0.5gr spacings on this particular load development. 0.5 gr is too wide to find some of the accuracy nodes. Try working up from 47.0 to 47.8 in 0.2 gr steps. You should find THE accuracy window open up at 47.6 and close at 47.9-ish.
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That's what I plan on doing...once that testing is completed I will go back and try over all lengths out to max that fits in my AICS magazine. thanks a lot.
 
Re: Trouble finding 155gr .308 load...Help!

I have seen "deadly's" load referenced no less then 3 times just today for that 155 recipe!! I think I am gonna have to disappear to the man cave and come out with a bunch of these to shoot!!
 
Re: Trouble finding 155gr .308 load...Help!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JPipes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, that's blazing. How many loads do you get on the brass? </div></div>

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