Ukraine war Bullshit.
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The recent Riyadh negotiations also had elements of trade between Russia and the US within its discussions. This could be an important move as it MAY be an attempt to move Russia away from China. Or pull an adversary closer economically where possible in order to make future conflict a harder decision. If Trump were to get a negotiated settlement of Ukraine and also give Russia some equitable trade that increases the GDP of both countries that may prove beneficial to all involved. We will never fully trust each other and there is still the rather huge issue of the arctic, but if meaningful mutual trade between military peers becomes the foundation that keeps conflict to a minimum that would be a logical path forward.
How China ultimately reacts is the wildcard. But that will have to come out in time and probably only if there exists a trade that impacts their GDP or international goals meaningfully.
How China ultimately reacts is the wildcard. But that will have to come out in time and probably only if there exists a trade that impacts their GDP or international goals meaningfully.
The sanctions stick didn't work out so maybe the carrot will.
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This is what started this.
And what I have been trying to get the OP, and subsequent interlopers to explain. And none have. Just a bunch of roll your own definitions of "soveriegn"
I was not, and am not now, debating the manner in which Zolensky governs, or the decisions he makes, how he comes to make them, or who does or does not influence those decisions. Quite frankly, I could not really care less.
OK then, I started this thread on September 21 2024, 5-months ago almost to the day.
How's it going for Zelenski today? All it took was to get the Bidens out of the Ukraine! We the people Won! Big!
How's it going for Zelenski today? All it took was to get the Bidens out of the Ukraine! We the people Won! Big!
Z man seems a bit in panic mode. Trump calling him out as the Dictator he has become. Big change from the Bidens and co using him as their lap dog.
Still are not there yet but seems to be taking massive strides in the right direction.
Listening to Tucker’s interview with Victor Orban I think we’ve past the point of no return WRT Russia. The worst case scenario that I read in multiple white papers published by CAC back in 2016 seems to be upon us now with now easy way out.
I'm not familiar with those papers. Can you give a 100k ft summary on what you are alluding to?
WRT, with regard to?
I will check it out, listening to the Erik Prince interview posted a few posts back now.
You should probably put away the scrabble dictionary, and stop using all those big words that you don't understand anyway.
Just makes you more insufferable to engage with.
Do you believe a man in a dress is a woman and that men can also be pregnant?
Just because some cunts said they are, doesn't make it true.
Sovereignity isn't a fucking tulpa, you can't just think it into existence.
If you can't steer your own ship, you are NOT sovereign, that is the literal definition of sovereignity.
So yeah, I'll just call you retarded once again, since you clearly aren't as intelligent as you want to come off as.
Have you noted that he hasn't given his definition of sovereign?
This one? I have watched Tucker and Orban share views before, but this one seems new.
Why would I have my own? I do understand why those here do, but that is the point...
Actually, you might want to pick one up. Any kind at all. Well, English anyway.
What exactly does that have to do with anything? Nothing, but why start making sense now...
Actually, it really does.
Is Taiwan a sovereign country?
Skip the dictionary. read *something*
Ok. Keep the dictionary. OMG
I would expect nothing less. I am not "trying to come off" as anything. This world you have created in your mind seems to not mesh with reality well.
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Why would I have my own? I do understand why those here do, but that is the point...
Definition of SOVEREIGN
one possessing or held to possess supreme political power or sovereignty; one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere; an acknowledged leader : arbiter… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com
Need a teaspoon for this?
Your definition doesn't matter, the clown can't even decide for himself when to take a shit without approval from his handlers, much less the fate of his nation.
Ukraine is NOT sovereign.
Fucking Assholes.
Zelensky needs to be in there. I have a suspicion that he will be in a similar predicament shortly.
edit; Like I said........
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I believe so. I listened to the podcast but did not watch the video.
I watched that a few days ago.
Orban is consistently on point with no BS facts that are very unpopular with a lot of the EU puke and most of the Western elites.
I know a bunch aren't happy with the fact that he pointed out the reality that the West fucked the pooch with Russia and turned them into the same orbit as China and company. Doubled down by saying it couldn't be fixed, at least not for decades.
He has some valid points, especially in the energy sector and migrations effect on culture.
lol, seems the influenced some fucking faggots that made their way to the bear pit.
I guess Donny's envoy to Ukraine is a retard as well, perhaps he uses the same dictionary. Seems Donny and the US government recognize Ukraine's sovereignty...
'Part of my mission is to sit and listen' — Trump's envoy Kellogg arrives in Kyiv
Keith Kellogg, U.S. President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine, arrived in Kyiv on Feb. 19.
kyivindependent.com
Upon his arrival, the U.S. official said his mission was mainly to "listen" to Ukraine's concerns and relay his findings to the White House.
"We understand the need for security guarantees. We understand... the importance of the sovereignty of this nation," Kellogg said.
"Part of my mission is to sit and listen and see what your concerns are."
Trump escalates spat with Zelenskyy over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
As the rift between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelenskyy deepens, NBC News’ Molly Hunter reports on how it could affect the negotiations to end the war in Ukraine.
www.nbcnews.com
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A yes, a paraphrase from a paper funded by USAIDI guess Donny's envoy to Ukraine is a retard as well, perhaps he uses the same dictionary. Seems Donny and the US government recognize Ukraine's sovereignty...
'Part of my mission is to sit and listen' — Trump's envoy Kellogg arrives in Kyiv
Keith Kellogg, U.S. President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine, arrived in Kyiv on Feb. 19.
Upon his arrival, the U.S. official said his mission was mainly to "listen" to Ukraine's concerns and relay his findings to the White House.
"We understand the need for security guarantees. We understand... the importance of the sovereignty of this nation," Kellogg said.
"Part of my mission is to sit and listen and see what your concerns are."
Trump escalates spat with Zelenskyy over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
As the rift between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelenskyy deepens, NBC News’ Molly Hunter reports on how it could affect the negotiations to end the war in Ukraine.
Thanks for again proving what a fucking Tool you are.
Also saying you understand the importance of something, if he actually said it, doesn’t mean you have it.
Especially from a paper literally started with Foreign $ posing as Ukrainian.
I personally don’t trust a thing that came out of the fucking USAID program, especially with all the corruption that’s been been surfaced lately
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You are getting beyond ridiculous. Not a paraphrase, it was a direct quote. The video of his statement is linked as well. You're going to get blisters grasping for those straws.
We understand… the importance of.
Looks like a paraphrase to me. And does not mean they have it.
Where is the video of him speaking linked? I don’t see it.
And as I said from the start, understanding the importance and actually having it are 2 different things.
He is talking about Goals to achieve. Security, Sovereignty, etc. he is not saying they have them.
He is talking about Goals to achieve. Security, Sovereignty, etc. he is not saying they have them.
He's playing childish word games either for fun or because he can't admit that he's wrong or C he craves the attention.
If this is true, which it probably is and I wouldn't be surprised by that, is another reason the US should not be sending any American money to Ukraine. It is a total waste to send American taxpayer money there!! Ukraine can not and will not win this war with Russia. The fact that Russia did not roll over Ukraine in the first two weeks of this war and is still going on after 2 years shows, IMO, that Russia is a paper tiger and no threat to us militarily.
Or Russia is happy to attrit all the Ukraine military plus NATO and US arms and money
OMG
You will literally do backbends to change the meaning of a statement. "Sovereignty of this nation" means exactly that. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, and it is important to remain that way, to not be absorbed by an invading country. I am unable to teach you english. Frankly, based on this, I doubt anyone is. This is the most simple minded post you have made to date. Wow. Congrats.
All this bullshit about sovereignty and borders. it's like listening to some feudal medieval philosophers.
Our social contract refutes this bullshit. No one belongs to the state if they don't want it. You are not serfs to the duke or king. If necessary, citizens can create a new state which belongs to them.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
People decide where their borders will be and whether or not they want to be part of someone else's borders. Ukraine can get fucked because the moment they decided to trample over the people in Donbas (and Odessa and other places) they became illegitimate. And the pro-Russian independence movement kicked Kiev out.
Our social contract refutes this bullshit. No one belongs to the state if they don't want it. You are not serfs to the duke or king. If necessary, citizens can create a new state which belongs to them.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
People decide where their borders will be and whether or not they want to be part of someone else's borders. Ukraine can get fucked because the moment they decided to trample over the people in Donbas (and Odessa and other places) they became illegitimate. And the pro-Russian independence movement kicked Kiev out.
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