Rifle Scopes US Optics 5-25 vs 2003 Chevy TrailBlazer

sobrbiker883

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I was at the range yesterday morning with Scottmilk9 to brush up prior to the match we're going to in Utah next weekend. We had driven (like lazy folks do) to the 100yd line to place a couple targets.
When I went to drive back to the line I realized I wanted to try a 22lr upper out and thought I'd drop a stand off at 50yards so I just left the back of my TrailBlazer open.

I pulled up parallel to the 50yd line and backed up to where I was going to set a stand, feeling a bump-bump as I was backing up ("hmm, I didn't see any rocks"). After I placed my stand and stapled a backer to it I got back in my truck and looked forward and saw my match rifle's case laying on the ground about 10yds ahead of my truck.

After the overwhelming nausea passed I grabbed the case, put it in the back and rejoined Scott back at the firing line.

I had driven rear and front wheels of my truck directly over the rifle in a Galati HSRC case with my 7mm-08 in it. Topping that rifle is the 5-25 Tpal PSR prototype of mine. <span style="font-weight: bold">I drove right over the area encompassing the wrist of the stock, the bolt/action, and the scopes ocular and erector assembly.</span>
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Some of the ocular cover's material was embedded in the diopter adjustment's knurling, and the Horus ASLI tube mount was destroyed, but the scope's lenses were good to go. The rifle shot about 1 mil left after being driven over, but I took the action out of the bedding to check it out and replaced it, the rings were tight and after rezeroing I dialed in 4mil "up" elevation, shot 3 rounds holding 4 mils under, dialed back to zero and shot two more and the resulting group was right on.
The group was no screamer at around 1moa, but that's about as well as I hold after I just ran over my rifle.

The TPal mechanism, elevation and windage mechanisms, illumination and diopter adjustment all seem to be working fine! The Horus' mounting ring marred up the tube a bit from the motion of being ran over, but the tube itself seems fine.

I also have to say that in addition to USO being tough, McMillan's stock and Seekin's base and bottom metal all survived great and functioned 100%. Magazine drops free and feeds fine. The Horus ASLI's plastic body didn't pop.
AZPrecision's bolt knob was the only real casualty, but Keith is gonna get it fixed up in a jiffy.

USO did say that if I find any issues with the scope they'd back it up, but I'm pretty sure its OK. I was expecting shattered glass to fall out when I opened the caps!

I gotta say, its a test I hope to never repeat, but it did confirm why I like USO so much!!


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Anyone have a rail mount for the Horus ASLI?
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Good example of their quality for sure, happy it wasn't much worse. Torture tests are much better watched on you tube vice seeing it happen right in front of you, I think I would have thrown up!
 
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I have done some things................ but can say that I've never run over my rifle.

I know you can't be the only one to ever have done this though.
 
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Every time I buy a USO scope, I am amazed! You would think after second one I would be used to it. Oh well...to be amazed in a positive fashion is a good thing. Thank you USO! (and thank you Chris!)

Jim Heggeness
 
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Holy CRAP!!! We'll I am glad to see that no catastrophic damage occurred aside from the broken ASLI mount and bolt handle (which I guess aren't exactly "minor", but still its less than something like a destroyed $3k scope or your receiver or etc.). A true testament to the quality of products like the USO, McM stock and other hardware on your rifle. I'd have certainly lost my lunch over doing that to one of my rigs!!

Good luck next weekend to both you and Scott! I'll be interested to see the results for the Utah match!!
 
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my family always had a saying when I would come home bleeding from something that "if your gonna be dumb you better be tough" in you case guess guess if "if your gonna be dumb your equipment better be tough"....no offense and glad no damage was done but not the first weapons system I seen run over without damage
 
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I know a lot of guys here take pride in the fact that they abuse the living shit out of their gear.

I have no problems with that, and even understand it. But I cannot overstate the fact that I AM NOT one of those guys.

I would have been sickened (like it sounds like you were) if I had done that. That really would have been tough. I cannot imagine driving over a custom rifle with a $2700 Schmidt on it, much less a one off prototype.

Very glad to hear that most of it survived and I am not surprised that USO said they would take care of any problems.

I am sure that is a lesson learned, just hate it had to be such a severe lesson, LOL.
 
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Yeah it took me a couple of days to share the story.

I've seen the pictures of USO tubes parked under car tires holding the weight, but never had any inclination to try it for myself!

Its also testimony to the whole being the sum of its parts. The things I was worried about were:
1)optics broken. AMAZING that nothing seems to be hurt on the scope.
2)optics mounting-The Seekins rail fits well enough that it survived fine without shearing the little mounting screws (I do not have oversized base screws)
3) Stock-the bedding did not crack, the thin sides along the action held up, the wrist of the stock didn't snap, no udue pressure was transferred to the trigger or its pins (still breaks perfectly at 2.5lbs just like a GA massaged Remmy should)
4)Magazine opening-The Seekins DBM took a pretty heavy side load without any distortion of shape-mag fits fine and drops free when the button's pushed.
5)the bolt knob-I'd bet that a factory cast knob would have survived, but if the AZ Precision knob's mounting insert hadn't sheared, there's the possibility that the whole bolt handle could have had its solder affected. The bolt's on its way to Keith and he's committed to getting me back up and running even though the circumstance is way out of normal use.

All in all I can say is it could have been worse.

I'm grateful that I've horsetraded my way up to the best gear possible for me. I probably could shoot just as well with more middle of the road components on my rifle, but I'd probably be replacing much more now than a bolt and a ASLI mount.
Also on the gratitude list is that I have a backup rifle just as capable in 308 to go kick some ass with in Utah Saturday!
 
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It wasn't so funny when it happened, I felt real bad for Steve, but I fired his gun and the scope tracks 100%. We'll get that bolt knob fixed and he'll be back operational. This is just one of the reasons most of us down in phoenix shoot USO scopes.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottmilk9</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This is just one of the reasons most of us down in phoenix shoot USO scopes. </div></div>

B/c you guys have a habit of running over your shit???

Note to self... Keep your rifle with you at all times when shooting with the AZ crew... LOL
 
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After a crappy , rainy , dogs being a pain , day pheasant hunting back when I was a lad , We loaded up the offending English setters , and fired up the country Squire wagon and hit the road , I knew what the sound was coming from the roof as I screemed STOP to pops , as he was watching the Belgium Browning Superposed slide down the country lane in Enfield CT.

The gun got cleaned and set in the gun cabinet for 25 years , not to touched or mentioned .


I like how the bolt handle broke right at the weak point for the "tactical Knob" .......si=something to remember .
 
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While a quaint colloquial anectode your story has nothing germane to the discussion at hand, unless the Bronwing slid off and then under both wheels.
And I guarantee that mine won't sit untouched or mentioned-it'll be back in its spot of #1 rifle for comps with 800+yd shots in no time!

The bolt knob snapping once when ran over by a truck is definitely not much of a negative compared to the ease of use its provided when shooting rapid from less than ideal postitions! But there is validity to your observation. USMC ball bearing losers and anvil breakers still use factory stubby knobs.


jrose-not really a habit, more of an incidental proof of cancept. Even us guys that play on one way ranges benefit from buying the best!
if you weren't a dyed in the wool USO whore......
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottmilk9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It wasn't so funny when it happened, I felt real bad for Steve, but I fired his gun and the scope tracks 100%. We'll get that bolt knob fixed and he'll be back operational. This is just one of the reasons most of us down in phoenix shoot USO scopes. </div></div>

See, I'm humble enough to admit that when I want to know if its me or the rifle, I get another shooter to pull the trigger! I'm surprised I could hit an 8.5x11 piece of paper at 100yds after that.......
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was sold on USO when my AR10 did a back flip off a shelf 5' onto the scope, then I shot the rest of the day,... </div></div>

I dropped this particular 5-25 on its ocular the first time out-I had to take a wire brush to get the granite out of the knurling....I think I shot a .29moa group that day.
Wait, I think I have that group laminated here in my wallet, so I can lie and tell people at the gun store/online that I can do it all day long.......

but that's another rant
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Hey Biker,

Thanks for sharing this. I really got a kick out of this one:

"The group was no screamer at around 1moa, but that's about as well as I hold after I just ran over my rifle."

Cheers.
 
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Just heard from AZ Precision and the bolt is good to go. Once the cerakote cures it'll be on its way home!
Stand up service, thanks for going above and beyond Keith!!
 
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Entertaining story. Glad your rig is OK. Quite a testament to the various pieces and their robustness.

When I first saw the title, I thought it was much like the dilemma I keep having... do I keep my truck or do I buy nice high-end glass...
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John
 
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Sobr - did the USO damage your trailblazer in any way? No flat tires? I'm happy the damage was minimal. Scott should've been your spotter while backing.
 
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This past Saturday I had my .308 out, we set up a PKM next to it and I proceeded to feed a belt for a friend. I didn't realize that almost every spent steel casing was bouncing off of my rifle about 3 ft away. After half a belt through the PKM, my AICS skins got chewed up something serious, the SN-3 received some minor dings and markings but it's all superficial...


How did the 22lr run?
 
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Nice. The first USO I ever had was Tan cerakoted, and on its first outing it was on the bench between strings while I knelt to the left of the bench and was hammering steel at 100/200 with a Cetme I used to have. After about 100rds of this I realized half the spent cases were smacking my rig......

The 22lr ran like crap, but I did a little research and the Thunderbolts I was trying to feed it are on the top of the "ammo these setups hate" list. Other than the ftfeeds I was having from the ammo I have high hopes for it!
 
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I had a similar accident a couple years back. I had a dodge ram 2500 diesel. Thats a hefty truck! It had a 3 inch lift with 35's. I had my hunting rifle, TC Encore with custom barrel on it, Leupold Vx-3 leaning up on my back tire as I cleaned up my shooting area. I started the trucks and backed up out of my spot. POP! it sounded like my tired had popped, I got out and ran to the back. In fear I picked up my rifle. The rifle itself was fine but my scope rail was marred heavily and the rings and scope were crushed. The scope was toast. I tossed it in the garbage and got a NF scope to replace it.

You heart drops into your ass when you think you damaged a rifle by doing something dumb like that. but at least there was no major damage.
 
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That's a good report and testament to USO toughness! I had a similar thing happen once and fortunately only the buttstock was run over.The hardcase didn't look to good anymore though
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338$</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...Leupold Vx-3.... The scope was toast. I tossed it in the garbage .....</div></div>

Too bad, I bet if you sent it back to Leupold they would have replaced it.
 
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I've never hand my hands on, much less owned a USO scope. I have been seriously looking at making the jump, based on customer loyalty and the toughness of the product. Besides, who needs a savings account, right?
 
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GardDog,
I was in the same boat. I always wanted a USO but just couldn't stomach the price tag. I finally bought one and absolutely could not be more pleased. GET ONE!

PC