Rifle Scopes USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

[pc3]

Whats up with this ? Seems they are copping a little flack on here of late. From what I can gather they kind of sit in a class of there own and maybe not right at the top. At one stage I beleived them to be at the top of the tree with SB & Hendsoldt.

The top tier now might look like this

1. Premier, SB & Hendsoldt
2. USO
3. NXS and IOR

Is this the general consensus now ?

 

[BobinNC]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I think the top tier looks more like this: Only talking FFP Tactical Scopes....



1. Hensoldt, Premier, S&B,
2. USO
3. NXS F1, Vortex Razor, and maybe the new kid Steiner (trying to play with the big boys)
4. IOR
5. Leupold FFP's

That covers your $1100. and up, Variable FFP Tactical Scope Market.

US Optics will always have a tough road because of the perception that all great optics only come from Germany. Maybe if they changed their name to US Optic Werks, and moved from Cali, to Berlin, PA maybe the Teutonic aura would rub off on them.

But they really have built a singular market position, with their "Burger King", have it your way scope build model.

In any event good to see a number of excellent choices in the FFP MIL/MIL tactical scope market.

Bob

 

[71firebird400]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I'd rank it-

1. Hensoldt/S&B
2. NF/Razor
3. USO/Premier

Backwards from most people but I value consistency and reliability among the producs, as well as glass quality. Sold my USO and bought another NF for what it's worth.

Premier is kind of an unknown to me, I've seen pretty polarizing reviews on them in both a good and bad way. I'd love to know if they are truly up the S&B level, in which case I'd purchase one.

 

[Captain Kirk]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

They may not be sitting at the top in popularity as of this moment, but they are top shelf optics, made in the USA and made your way to order. I like the fact I can make a phone call and talk to one of the guys turning the screws, thats very hard to find these days. I have owned USO's S&Bs, shot with Premier and Hendsoldt optics, all have strengths, none shine so far above the other to warrant claiming "X scope is the best", period.

The fact is people go through phases, most follow the crowd and take the "I gotta have what he has" approach to deciding what they purchase. USO isn't going anywhere, and will always be a contender in the high end scope market. I will be in the market for a high end optic in the very near future, USO will likely be my choice, again.

Kirk R

 

[BattleAxe]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I've made the mistake of following the "general concensus" in the past only to end of with a piece of kit (shit) that was wayyyyyyyyy over-hyped by internet commandos and didn't perform even marginally so the only concensus that matters anymore is mine. Unless USO is taken over by Chinese midgets they'll always be on my short list.

 

[crumpmd]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I think hearing people bitch about stuff is somewhat useful. But when you listen to it carefully you can find what is important. The latest bitch here was a bout the swing out bubble level. I do not own one of those, I got the fixed version, for obvious reasons. I use my rifle hard. It is a surgeon scalpel. With a USO scope on top. It took a fall so far and hard to break Mr. Seekins 6 screw scope rings clean off the base. No kiddin. I got pictures to prove it and have posted them in this forum.
The scope, a USO SN-3, was scuffed a bit but looked ok. I mounted it back on the rifle (this time with USO rings) and the zero was pretty close. After re zero I boxed tested and it was still dead on.
What more can you ask for. The view through the scope is not the same as a Hensholt. But it is excellent. An I could take the scope off and beat the shit out of what I hunt if I run out of bullets and not worry to much about hurting the scope.

 

[45.308]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I am a little miffed at them right now. My bubble level broke over a year ago, contacted them and was told a new one would go out. The wait was on, contacted them and oh yea, so they shipped, superb, nothing, contacted them again and it was sent to wrong address (address was in email), I gave them my address again and here I sit 6 months since, so I gave up.

It may me minor but it is still customer service to me. It does not matter if I dropped 2700 nuggets for the scope or just the bubble, CS is CS.

 

[ggmanning]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

45.308 that is strange. I have called twice in the last three weeks for a cap I lost off a bubble level and some ring screws. Both showed up within a week and that has been my experience every time I have needed something from them. I guess one falls through the cracks some times.

 

[JRose]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I'm often curious as to if people who "rank" products, have truely owned and used each of the products that they are ranking, or if they're just ranking them by Internet cred....

Guess it doesn't matter, it's the Internet.... Let it be written, let it be true.

 

[cttbax]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I guess one falls through the cracks some times. </div></div>

I had a "through the crack" experience with USO. It took a conversation with JBWIII and several weeks to resolve. The resolution was to refund my money instead of building another scope. I think USO has great scopes, I was fortunate to shoot with a loaner scope for several months while they built and rebuilt the scope I purchased. My impression was that USO at the time (Late Summer 2010) was going through some growing pains and experienced some employee turnover in the scope shop. This led to some loose ends that took longer than expected to be tied up. I will say this, at the end of the day USO make it right with me and refunded my money in whole with no gripes.

My only critique in the USO scope buying process is this:

They could stand to update their website and enable a feature that allows the customer to log in and track the status of the build. Maybe I am young and impatient, but considering the price tag of the scope I would like to see a bit more communication on the build process. Hell even webcams would work! Wouldn't that be cool? Log in to the USO site and see the scopesmiths at work? ....Just sayin...

 

[BattleAxe]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm often curious as to if people who "rank" products, have truely owned and used each of the products that they are ranking, or if they're just ranking them by Internet cred....

Guess it doesn't matter, it's the Internet.... Let it be written, let it be true. </div></div>

I'd wager that more than 75% of the owners of high end optics wouldn't know if their prize was broken or not.

 

[JRose]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BattleAxe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm often curious as to if people who "rank" products, have truely owned and used each of the products that they are ranking, or if they're just ranking them by Internet cred....

Guess it doesn't matter, it's the Internet.... Let it be written, let it be true. </div></div>

I'd wager that more than 75% of the owners of high end optics wouldn't know if their prize was broken or not. </div></div>

Too true...

 

[GardDog]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 45.308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am a little miffed at them right now. My bubble level broke over a year ago, contacted them and was told a new one would go out. The wait was on, contacted them and oh yea, so they shipped, superb, nothing, contacted them again and it was sent to wrong address (address was in email), I gave them my address again and here I sit 6 months since, so I gave up.

It may me minor but it is still customer service to me. It does not matter if I dropped 2700 nuggets for the scope or just the bubble, CS is CS.

</div></div>

Wow. I'm, surprised to see that. I stripped a screw on a ring mount swivel level when I moved it from my NXS to my SN-3 and had a whole new rig at my house in a matter of days. Their CS has been nothing short of top notch in my case.

I guess any company has it's bad days.

 

[LRS_Ranger]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I just aquired a SN-3 a month or so ago. I was thinking about putting a different reticle in it eventually, so I emailed USO. Jason emailed me back and said that it might be easier to just talk on the phone, so I called him. Even though I told him that I was not going to be doing any work right away, he spend a good 15 minutes on the phone with me, explained all my options, and was in general extremely helpful and professional. As a result of this conversation, I am pretty sure that anything I need will be taken care of by them, and I will be buying from them in the future.

As far as "rating" the top optics, in my opinion, you find what tool is going to accomplish the job you want it to, and then you buy it. Whether it's a Leupold, NF, S&B, or USO, I highly doubt that you are going to miss a shot because you didn't get the current internet favorite or the "best" glass. Hell, people who have owned all the big names still can't quite agree on which one is better, which means that it's very subjective. In that case, go find which one you like better and buy it.

 

[BobinNC]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm often curious as to if people who "rank" products, have truely owned and used each of the products that they are ranking, or if they're just ranking them by Internet cred....

Guess it doesn't matter, it's the Internet.... Let it be written, let it be true. </div></div>

JRose,

You could be right, as I did indeed do a ranking. But I ranked them by their relative average price points in the market-place, not a subjective assessment of the quality or features of the end product.

I certainly have not used everyone scope made by every maker. But by just looking around at the prices they sell for, you can get a good feel for how a maker positions his product for sale to the end users.

USO is actually the hardest maker to place price wise. An SN-3 can run from $2200. to close to $3k depending on options selected. All the other high end scope makers, have far fewer options and price differentials.

In any event I ranked the makers on price not performance.

Bob

 

[JRose]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

Not directed at anyone particularly, I just remember when Hensoldts hit the scene, people who hadn't even seen one were ranking them. Same with PR, before the damn scope even dropped it was being ranked above S&B... Lol

 

[Captain Kirk]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm often curious as to if people who "rank" products, have truely owned and used each of the products that they are ranking, or if they're just ranking them by Internet cred....

Guess it doesn't matter, it's the Internet.... Let it be written, let it be true. </div></div>

That is more often the case than not.

Anyone that has dealt directly with a manufacturer knows how great it is to be able to run ideas by them, let them know what you and their customers would like to see. Who was the 1st to offer multiple reticles, turrets, colors, tube sizes, etc.

USO invented the wheel so to speak, they became the first optics manufacturer to to take the "listen to the customer" approach, one thing people are all too quick to forget.

They broke the ground, others followed suit.

Kirk R

 

[buckey]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

Not bashing, just my thoughts. I tried a SN-3 & wasn't impressed at all. After using S&B scopes then going to the USO, I was very disappointed!!!

 

[Captain Kirk]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Buckey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not bashing, just my thoughts. I tried a SN-3 & wasn't impressed at all. After using S&B scopes then going to the USO, I was very disappointed!!! </div></div>

I would be interested to hear your observations. What exactly was the reason(s) for your disappointing experience (image quality, turrets, tracking, FOV)? What makes the S&B stand out over the USO in your opinion?

All honest questions, not trying to bust your balls

Kirk R

 

[adam1122]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I went from an S&B to an USO SN-3 1.8x-10x and am thoroughly impressed. USO has my scope and Becky in customer service is personally making sure my scope will ship back to me by friday, now, what is impressive about that.

Well, they did a few minor things.
1. Replaced broken rehostat (free of charge)
2. Added parallax adjustment knob ($200)
3. Reset to factory zero
4. Changed reticles

They got the scpe this Monday and I will have it back in my hands for training this Friday. Find me another scope company that can pull that off and I'd like to know who they are. They won the USMC sniper rifle optics competition for a reason. Because their gear is solid and built like a tank.

 

[rero360]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

My limit of experience with S&Bs and NFs has been briefly looking through one or two at different matches. I've yet to see a Hensoldt or Premier although I'm sure I won't be able to tell a difference between them optically just like I can't between my USO and the other top end scopes I've looked through.

Haters going to hate, I think thats really all that is going on.

 

[buckey]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Buckey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not bashing, just my thoughts. I tried a SN-3 & wasn't impressed at all. After using S&B scopes then going to the USO, I was very disappointed!!! </div></div>

I would be interested to hear your observations. What exactly was the reason(s) for your disappointing experience (image quality, turrets, tracking, FOV)? What makes the S&B stand out over the USO in your opinion?

All honest questions, not trying to bust your balls

Kirk R </div></div>


Kirk,

No problems - I gave my honest opinions, so I have no problem with honest questions!!

For starters my scope took almost 1.5x's the time frame quoted to receive. I heard it was almost ready week after week until I contacted JBW #3 & he gave me the truth = the wrong reticle was installed & once this was found, the correct reticles were on backorder.

Once the scope finally arrived, the glass just did not seem as bright & sharp as my S&B's scopes that I've been using. Even though the scope was built like a tank, the glass was very disappointing to me on the USO. It also had a couple fine dust particles on the inside of the lens. I was told to beat the scope on a phone book, but I wasn't completely sold on this concept, so I sold the scope.

Some like Chevy, some like Ford - use what you like & rock on!!!!

 

[Tactical_Tom]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

The way I see it is USO is more of a custom manufacturer. If you want features that only they have then go with them, but if your perfect scope is made by someone else already then you will likely be able to get what you want cheaper or better from someone else. I also think that their scopes look kind of dated/ugly from the outside.

 

[TwoGun]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I've been looking at the US Optics website since the world wide web was born (practically). I always like their explanation of optical excellence. It was always very lofty in relation to what was available at the time (or what I thought was available). Seems relatively ordinary now. Oh, I miss those days.

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/200102050834/http://usoptics.com/us02001.htm

http://waybackmachine.org/19970815000000*/http://usoptics.com

 

[eleaf]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not directed at anyone particularly, I just remember when Hensoldts hit the scene, people who hadn't even seen one were ranking them. Same with PR, before the damn scope even dropped it was being ranked above S&B... Lol </div></div>

Not high end by any means, but that sounds EXACTLY what many have done with the Vortex PST line.

 

[BattleAxe]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

You guys really are slackin...this thread is freakin worthless without a little porn. Say hello to the twins..

Lets be real though...nobody needs a high end optic. Military snipers and civilian hunters/marksmen with mad skills have been making crazy shots for decades with far lesser equipment. We buy these things because we can, pure and simple. Its unlikely that anyone here will set a world record because of their optic choice and if someone does...trust me it wasn't the optic that pulled it off.

 

[Target In Sight]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BattleAxe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Lets be real though...nobody needs a high end optic. Military snipers and civilian hunters/marksmen with mad skills have been making crazy shots for decades with far lessor equipment. We buy these things because we can, pure and simple. Its unlikely that anyone here will set a world record because of their optic choice and if someone does...trust me it wasn't the optic that pulled it off. </div></div>

+1, can't state it any better

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went from an S&B to an USO SN-3 1.8x-10x and am thoroughly impressed. USO has my scope and Becky in customer service is personally making sure my scope will ship back to me by friday, now, what is impressive about that.

Well, they did a few minor things.
1. Replaced broken rehostat (free of charge)
2. Added parallax adjustment knob ($200)
3. Reset to factory zero
4. Changed reticles

They got the scpe this Monday and I will have it back in my hands for training this Friday. Find me another scope company that can pull that off and I'd like to know who they are. They won the USMC sniper rifle optics competition for a reason. Because their gear is solid and built like a tank. </div></div>

You must be related to the Pope or something, to have a reticle change with less than a week turnaround...

Really, most people here know my feelings on US Optics and I'll expound later when I don't have a killer sinus headache-but a reticle swap from USO is feat in itself (usually they build a different scope rather than swap a reticle), let alone a "received monday, back in user's hands Fri" miracle.

Not saying it can't be done, adn if anyone could do it it would be USO-but you are getting a rep for exagerration already....





See CaptainKirk and CrumpMD's posts above for a reflection of the majority of my sentimanet towards USO....

 

[cttbax]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You must be related to the Pope or something, to have a reticle change with less than a week turnaround...
a reticle swap from USO is feat in itself (usually they build a different scope rather than swap a reticle), let alone a "received monday, back in user's hands Fri" miracle.

Not saying it can't be done, adn if anyone could do it it would be USO-but you are getting a rep for exagerration already... </div></div>

This has been my experience...I believe it is easier for them build a new scope than fix the existing scope.

 

[pc3]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BattleAxe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys really are slackin...this thread is freakin worthless without a little porn. Say hello to the twins..

Lets be real though...nobody needs a high end optic. Military snipers and civilian hunters/marksmen with mad skills have been making crazy shots for decades with far lessor equipment. We buy these things because we can, pure and simple. Its unlikely that anyone here will set a world record because of their optic choice and if someone does...trust me it wasn't the optic that pulled it off.</div></div>

Battle Axe, whats your esperience with the new digital illumination ? Is it better ? as durable ? etc.

cheers pc3

 

[BattleAxe]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pc3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Battle Axe, whats your esperience with the new digital illumination ? Is it better ? as durable ? etc.
cheers pc3 </div></div>
Honestly couldn't tell you. Scope was a replacement that just came in a few days ago and I've been slammed busy. Only had time to mount/level it and run it through on the culminator so far. If the gods are smiling I'll get it out on Sunday. From purely appearance sake it seems as stout as everything else and has a raised lip to protect the buttons. Truth be told I didn't have a problem with the old setup and actually like the old style with the field cap. Its very easy to use...top button turns it on and the bottom 2 are for bright/dim, much like an EOTech. Since you brought it up I'll try to kill the lights and check it out tonight.

 

[BattleAxe]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I don't see much of a difference in the illumination control other than its design. Hard to tell indoors since I can't focus on anything. I'm not particular though...I got illumination as a "just in case" rather than an actual immediate need. It works and they'll fix it if it un-works.

 

[crumpmd]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Buckey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Buckey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not bashing, just my thoughts. I tried a SN-3 & wasn't impressed at all. After using S&B scopes then going to the USO, I was very disappointed!!! </div></div>

I would be interested to hear your observations. What exactly was the reason(s) for your disappointing experience (image quality, turrets, tracking, FOV)? What makes the S&B stand out over the USO in your opinion?

All honest questions, not trying to bust your balls

Kirk R </div></div>


Kirk,

No problems - I gave my honest opinions, so I have no problem with honest questions!!

For starters my scope took almost 1.5x's the time frame quoted to receive. I heard it was almost ready week after week until I contacted JBW #3 & he gave me the truth = the wrong reticle was installed & once this was found, the correct reticles were on backorder.

Once the scope finally arrived, the glass just did not seem as bright & sharp as my S&B's scopes that I've been using. Even though the scope was built like a tank, the glass was very disappointing to me on the USO. It also had a couple fine dust particles on the inside of the lens. I was told to beat the scope on a phone book, but I wasn't completely sold on this concept, so I sold the scope.

Some like Chevy, some like Ford - use what you like & rock on!!!! </div></div>

So you never mounted the scope and used it? You just saw a couple fine dust particles and called it a day? Because bright and sharp is subjective. Knowing that your scope moves the impact of the bullet precisely the distance indicated on the dial, and a rock solid zero no matter how bad the shock or impact the scope suffers is what does it for me. I sincerely admire the Zeiss/Hensholt and have seriously considered buying one. But I have not yet had anyone tell me their hennie got pounded hard and came up solid. They probably would. I expect so would S&B and Premier. But I know well from personal experience what kind of shock a USO can take and still function normally.

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

My top tier scopes.

1. Counter Sniper: Get them while you can. The gov overruns are gone.
2. Barska: I really like the one with the big wheel on the side. There are also some models that come with 4 sets of rings! Awesome.
3. BSA: Built Super Awesome, need I say more?

 

[beenjammin]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My top tier scopes.

1. Counter Sniper: Get them while you can. The gov overruns are gone.
2. Barska: I really like the one with the big wheel on the side. There are also some models that come with 4 sets of rings! Awesome.
3. BSA: Built Super Awesome, need I say more? </div></div>

Nice!

 

[gugubica]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I have actually owned or used all of the scopes talked about in this thread, well, the high end ones. I get the fealing that is not the case for every poster.

My list,



Is going to be different than yours, so I will not post it. If someone has a specific question, I would be happy to answer it, but I wll not contribute to the "just tell me which is cooler, so I can buy it" posts. I am tired of it.

 

[smokshwn]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm often curious as to if people who "rank" products, have truely owned and used each of the products that they are ranking, or if they're just ranking them by Internet cred....

Guess it doesn't matter, it's the Internet.... Let it be written, let it be true. </div></div>

That is more often the case than not.

Anyone that has dealt directly with a manufacturer knows how great it is to be able to run ideas by them, let them know what you and their customers would like to see. Who was the 1st to offer multiple reticles, turrets, colors, tube sizes, etc.

USO invented the wheel so to speak, they became the first optics manufacturer to to take the "listen to the customer" approach, one thing people are all too quick to forget.

They broke the ground, others followed suit.

Kirk R </div></div>

+10

So often in these threads there are many who don't recognize all the intangibles of USO...

When you go to SHOT you talk with John at the booth not a corporate drone with an accent.

How quickly can S&B, Nightforce, et al turn your reticle idea into production? Those conversations rarely happen. Hell even if you foot the whole reticle bill yourself it's only a grand.

Fashion???? Really???? So scope value is based on how it looks when you're not using it...priceless!

FWIW the CS, ability to communicate, support for the shooting sports, activity within the community, bombproof durability are significant factors for me and worth more than the last tenth of a percentile of glass performance.

 

[NoExpert]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

I like my USO scope, so much I'm selling it to fund buying another USO scope (sorry guys, I'm poor unlike many of you it seems). What I like the most is USO is 40 minutes away from me. No shipping, no phone calls that still leave me puzzled, no guessing about features... I can just drive over, have a chat with the guys there, see how things work and if it'll work for me. They've always gone above and beyond to answer questions and take care of any concerns.

At the end of the day I say buy what blows your skirt up. If you just have to have something with "Made in Germany" on it then get the S&B's and Hensoldts (and please do, means my USO scope will take less time to build). If you want something custom tailored to you then USO is the place to go.

I did try S&B, Hensoldt, Zeiss, Kahles, NightForce, Leupold and others before deciding on USO. The S&B's and Hensoldt's were a little brighter than the USO but they also had 6mm more objective so I expected it. The S&B 4-16X42 was pretty even to the brightness of the USO I tried. What sold me was the features available with the USO and the fact it was a US made scope (trying to keep my rifle all American made).

 

[pc3]

Re: USO seem to be getting bad rap here lately

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Buckey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Buckey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not bashing, just my thoughts. I tried a SN-3 & wasn't impressed at all. After using S&B scopes then going to the USO, I was very disappointed!!! </div></div>

I would be interested to hear your observations. What exactly was the reason(s) for your disappointing experience (image quality, turrets, tracking, FOV)? What makes the S&B stand out over the USO in your opinion?

All honest questions, not trying to bust your balls

Kirk R </div></div>


Kirk,

No problems - I gave my honest opinions, so I have no problem with honest questions!!

For starters my scope took almost 1.5x's the time frame quoted to receive. I heard it was almost ready week after week until I contacted JBW #3 & he gave me the truth = the wrong reticle was installed & once this was found, the correct reticles were on backorder.

Once the scope finally arrived, the glass just did not seem as bright & sharp as my S&B's scopes that I've been using. Even though the scope was built like a tank, the glass was very disappointing to me on the USO. It also had a couple fine dust particles on the inside of the lens. I was told to beat the scope on a phone book, but I wasn't completely sold on this concept, so I sold the scope.

Some like Chevy, some like Ford - use what you like & rock on!!!! </div></div>

Just to add to this thread; scopes I have perosnally had dramas with ,and one instance of a friends SB precision hunter but I verified with my own eyes the issue.

Schmidt Bender Klassic 3-12 Mag ring locked up would not change magnification. Seller replaced with a new one as it literally did it out of the box, he had stated he had seen this a "couple of times before"
Zeiss Victory 6-24x56 Mildot Fleck of crap in lense - 3.5 mnth turnaround to have it cleaned in Germany
Zeis Victory 2.5-10x50 fine cross hair seemed to have a crack in it (lense)at least I thought it did turned out to be a human hair in it......swapped this for the Scmidt which the power ring locked up in !!
NXS 12-42 like a green blob viewable on the lense internally (not on outside).


Friends Schmidt Bender pro Hunter 4-16x50 Bit of crap on the inside lenses.

Thought I'd share this for what its worth.