Va Gun Confiscation Looming!

[Gunfighter14e2]

Not disagreeing with you or triggermonkey. I'm also just stating that things very quickly have gone off the rails and nothing has even been voted into law yet. The Virginia governor and AG is really looking like both are off their rockers and what I've stated is just to keep in step with their crazy ideas. Who would have thought any state would be here this fast even 1 year ago but...…..here we are.

While I understand that, any hiring of private guns to fuck over the good people of Va. will bring guys to the fight quickly, that would normally protest in other manners until it was time to do otherwise. Using Tax money to pay private guns to strip people of they're Constitutional right? That dog will not be allowed to hunt, no matter the depths that game of tag has to be played upon to stop it, an achieve victory. The heads of the snake will not survive the encounter.

 

[hitman]

I feel I can offer some professional insight into this. I am a retired federal agent and teach law and public policy now (Ph.D. in law and policy). You have to realize this is political posturing at its finest. There are too many pieces to this puzzle that make it totally improbable. OK, so even if they pass something restricting certain types of guns etc.. without a grandfather clause, 95% of the people will comply. As much as people like to talk crap on-line about civil war etc.. It is all talk and the politicians know this. Think about it for a moment. Even if you did not sell your items back you would be relegated to keeping them locked in your house. You would literally never be able to take them out in public again or risk being a felon. Most people are not willing to risk racking up numerous felonies and will simply comply. There will be thousands of people who do not turn in anything. BUT and this is the big BUT part--- the government is never going to confiscate them! Think logically about what that would take from a logistics standpoint. Every single law enforcement agency in the state would have to have a list of what they think people own based on your FFL background forms. Then they would have to literally go door to door and ask each person what they own for weapons. So, Joe Blow answers the door and says I sold those years ago, I burned them, I threw em in the lake, I lost them gambling, or whatever other shit he wants to say! LEOs cannot and will not get warrants to enter people's homes then to conduct searches! There is no way in hell this will happen. It is beyond unconstitutional. Do you think there are judges ready to grant tens of thousands of search warrants based on no facts???? If the alleged owner denies owning them there is no PC and no evidence! SBRs and suppressors are another story though. Then, as we are seeing the majority of police Chiefs' and Sheriffs' are not going to even enforce them. So, good luck requesting a door to door assessment. LEOs are far to busy to mess with this crap! They cannot even keep up with calls on a normal day in most parts of the country. Let alone be given some BS such as here is a list of the 10,000 gun owners in the city/county, now go door to door and conduct interviews!!!!! The idea is absurd. I feel the threat of the national guard is intended to incite violence in people. The more people freak out and take up arms just gives the politicians more ground to say,... see these guns freaks are crazy and violent which is more reason to ban them! I am not saying do not be concerned and do not be involved to try to stop it but the fear of some army going around kicking in doors and taking peoples guns is not going to happen. I do not even think the politicians are dumb enough to think it is possible either. It is a scare tactic, like negotiating. They will back down and say, just be glad we did not confiscate them! Do not get me wrong I think these are wild times and we should be worried for sure. BUT it is going to be a slow erosion of rights. It is easier and more palatable for people to lose things slowly. If things in Nov. end badly I do think we are looking at some presidential executive order. But I firmly feel any legislation, including VA will be slower and not so drastic. Or, I can be wrong and they are hoping for people to act out in violence when or if they pass a no grandfather law and mandatory buy back.

 

[Expert684]

It made it on Fox!

More than 100 Virginia cities, counties declare themselves gun sanctuaries as Dems prepare to take legislature

Dozens of Virginia counties and cities are declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries in an apparent revolt against the state legislature's proposals for new firearm restrictions.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

This will pail in comparison.

 

[MadDuner]

In an article I read earlier - it sounded like the entire goal was to force registration through the grandfather clause..... in preparation for more BS down the road. I do not believe compliance will even come within 20%, let alone 95%. The entire population has become more polarized and on edge than anytime during my lifetime. If the goal was to start an actual civil war, or boogaloo, or whatever anybody wants to call it - this kind of craziness could do it.

The only thing that brings Americans from both sides of the aisle together is a common actual threat to all. I don’t think it would do them any good to kickstart a civil war - and then bring in blue helmets to be the common enemy. Anybody in law enforcement already knows that a “domestic violence” call is the most dangerous. This would be no different.

We will not comply.

 

[TheGerman]

In an article I read earlier - it sounded like the entire goal was to force registration through the grandfather clause..... in preparation for more BS down the road. I do not believe compliance will even come within 20%, let alone 95%. The entire population has become more polarized and on edge than anytime during my lifetime. If the goal was to start an actual civil war, or boogaloo, or whatever anybody wants to call it - this kind of craziness could do it.

The only thing that brings Americans from both sides of the aisle together is a common actual threat to all. I don’t think it would do them any good to kickstart a civil war - and then bring in blue helmets to be the common enemy. Anybody in law enforcement already knows that a “domestic violence” call is the most dangerous. This would be no different.

We will not comply.

If this is what they settle on trying to cram through, their horrible 'negotiations' of threatening the national guard and confiscation as well as issuing what were basically edicts to remind you that you are a subject under whatever law they pass, has already taken any chance of that going through and calming things down, away.

They've awoken a mass of people who literally will not accept ANY law at this point and instead are openly talking about using force and actually organizing instead of just bitching on the internet (looking at you CA and NY).

 

[eca7891]

95%.


Hhahhhahh

Talk about an optimist.

95% don’t follow a simple laws like a speed limit.

You think they are going to sign a “ look here first “ registration.

That has gotta be a typo.

 

[Bradu]

I feel I can offer some professional insight into this. I am a retired federal agent and teach law and public policy now (Ph.D. in law and policy). You have to realize this is political posturing at its finest. There are too many pieces to this puzzle that make it totally improbable. OK, so even if they pass something restricting certain types of guns etc.. without a grandfather clause, 95% of the people will comply. As much as people like to talk crap on-line about civil war etc.. It is all talk and the politicians know this. Think about it for a moment. Even if you did not sell your items back you would be relegated to keeping them locked in your house. You would literally never be able to take them out in public again or risk being a felon. Most people are not willing to risk racking up numerous felonies and will simply comply. There will be thousands of people who do not turn in anything. BUT and this is the big BUT part--- the government is never going to confiscate them! Think logically about what that would take from a logistics standpoint. Every single law enforcement agency in the state would have to have a list of what they think people own based on your FFL background forms. Then they would have to literally go door to door and ask each person what they own for weapons. So, Joe Blow answers the door and says I sold those years ago, I burned them, I threw em in the lake, I lost them gambling, or whatever other shit he wants to say! LEOs cannot and will not get warrants to enter people's homes then to conduct searches! There is no way in hell this will happen. It is beyond unconstitutional. Do you think there are judges ready to grant tens of thousands of search warrants based on no facts???? If the alleged owner denies owning them there is no PC and no evidence! SBRs and suppressors are another story though. Then, as we are seeing the majority of police Chiefs' and Sheriffs' are not going to even enforce them. So, good luck requesting a door to door assessment. LEOs are far to busy to mess with this crap! They cannot even keep up with calls on a normal day in most parts of the country. Let alone be given some BS such as here is a list of the 10,000 gun owners in the city/county, now go door to door and conduct interviews!!!!! The idea is absurd. I feel the threat of the national guard is intended to incite violence in people. The more people freak out and take up arms just gives the politicians more ground to say,... see these guns freaks are crazy and violent which is more reason to ban them! I am not saying do not be concerned and do not be involved to try to stop it but the fear of some army going around kicking in doors and taking peoples guns is not going to happen. I do not even think the politicians are dumb enough to think it is possible either. It is a scare tactic, like negotiating. They will back down and say, just be glad we did not confiscate them! Do not get me wrong I think these are wild times and we should be worried for sure. BUT it is going to be a slow erosion of rights. It is easier and more palatable for people to lose things slowly. If things in Nov. end badly I do think we are looking at some presidential executive order. But I firmly feel any legislation, including VA will be slower and not so drastic. Or, I can be wrong and they are hoping for people to act out in violence when or if they pass a no grandfather law and mandatory buy back.

As much as I hate to say it, I agree with most of what you said. I don't think the percentage of people turning in guns would be that high but I think it would be high.

The part about them wanting people to act out so they can say this is why we need to confiscate is spot on. It would play right into their hand if people were to start shooting and I don't think it will accomplish anything because they wouldn't get to the people that are behind this. My question has always been just who are you going to be fighting in this civil war they speak of?

 

[TheGerman]

95%.


Hhahhhahh

Talk about an optimist.

95% don’t follow a simple laws like a speed limit.

You think they are going to sign a “ look here first “ registration.

That has gotta be a typo.

Yeah, someone may want to read up a little bit.

There's zero chance of compliance even being 25%. Hell, NY is somewhere in the single digits; the only difference is people just hid their guns and bitched about it on the internet. Even in New Zealand, which has a much different outlook on firearms, it isn't even over 40% last I read.

Anyone who thinks that in a state where the vast majority have become 2nd Amendment sanctuaries overnight, with people openly saying they'll fight you, that you're going to get anything resembeling compliance doesn't live in reality.

 

[105gr]

Anyone who thinks that in a state where the vast majority have become 2nd Amendment sanctuaries overnight, with people openly saying they'll fight you, that you're going to get anything resembeling compliance doesn't live in reality.

I wonder how many people that have doubts about Virginians have ever been to the region and actually spent time around these people. From the hills in SE Ohio, to Richmond, across KY, TN and alot of the Carolinas. Get a buncha half drunken hillbillies in pickup trucks. With guns. Then tell them you are going to take their guns. Those boys would start a war with politicians just for fun. While sounding like Bo n Luke Duke while doing it, sliding across hoods. With guns.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I feel I can offer some professional insight into this. I am a retired federal agent and teach law and public policy now (Ph.D. in law and policy). You have to realize this is political posturing at its finest. There are too many pieces to this puzzle that make it totally improbable. OK, so even if they pass something restricting certain types of guns etc.. without a grandfather clause, 95% of the people will comply. As much as people like to talk crap on-line about civil war etc.. It is all talk and the politicians know this. Think about it for a moment. Even if you did not sell your items back you would be relegated to keeping them locked in your house. You would literally never be able to take them out in public again or risk being a felon. Most people are not willing to risk racking up numerous felonies and will simply comply. There will be thousands of people who do not turn in anything. BUT and this is the big BUT part--- the government is never going to confiscate them! Think logically about what that would take from a logistics standpoint. Every single law enforcement agency in the state would have to have a list of what they think people own based on your FFL background forms. Then they would have to literally go door to door and ask each person what they own for weapons. So, Joe Blow answers the door and says I sold those years ago, I burned them, I threw em in the lake, I lost them gambling, or whatever other shit he wants to say! LEOs cannot and will not get warrants to enter people's homes then to conduct searches! There is no way in hell this will happen. It is beyond unconstitutional. Do you think there are judges ready to grant tens of thousands of search warrants based on no facts???? If the alleged owner denies owning them there is no PC and no evidence! SBRs and suppressors are another story though. Then, as we are seeing the majority of police Chiefs' and Sheriffs' are not going to even enforce them. So, good luck requesting a door to door assessment. LEOs are far to busy to mess with this crap! They cannot even keep up with calls on a normal day in most parts of the country. Let alone be given some BS such as here is a list of the 10,000 gun owners in the city/county, now go door to door and conduct interviews!!!!! The idea is absurd. I feel the threat of the national guard is intended to incite violence in people. The more people freak out and take up arms just gives the politicians more ground to say,... see these guns freaks are crazy and violent which is more reason to ban them! I am not saying do not be concerned and do not be involved to try to stop it but the fear of some army going around kicking in doors and taking peoples guns is not going to happen. I do not even think the politicians are dumb enough to think it is possible either. It is a scare tactic, like negotiating. They will back down and say, just be glad we did not confiscate them! Do not get me wrong I think these are wild times and we should be worried for sure. BUT it is going to be a slow erosion of rights. It is easier and more palatable for people to lose things slowly. If things in Nov. end badly I do think we are looking at some presidential executive order. But I firmly feel any legislation, including VA will be slower and not so drastic. Or, I can be wrong and they are hoping for people to act out in violence when or if they pass a no grandfather law and mandatory buy back.

Let’s say that we agree with you. How do you suggest people fight this? People are at ropes end and are taking a hard stance. Nobody wants anymore erosion of rights, period. Weve already given up enough and while I think violence is a bad idea for many reasons, what else is one to do? This is precisely why the 2A was written. We arent slaves and they aren’t Kings. I do agree with you tho that it will never be door to door confiscation. They will effectively be banned and useless because you won’t be able to use them, ever which might as well be full confiscation. I wouldnt stand for that either. I don’t encourage violence but people need to make a hard stance, whatever that entails or they won’t ever stop.

 

[Snuby642]

National Guardsman: "We will not comply" if ordered by Virginia governor to arrest police, confiscate guns

“And ultimately, the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law. That’s his call, but that’s obviously an option he has.”

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

I don't think governors "nationalize" gaurd troops they mobilize them call them up.

I believe presidents nationalize guard troops, (title 10 orders) I believe.

This is what I remember from my sons TANG days.

Feel free to correct my memories.

 

[MCSO1357]

Let’s say that we agree with you. How do you suggest people fight this? People are at ropes end and are taking a hard stance. Nobody wants anymore erosion of rights, period. Weve already given up enough and while I think violence is a bad idea for many reasons, what else is one to do? This is precisely why the 2A was written. We arent slaves and they aren’t Kings. I do agree with you tho that it will never be door to door confiscation. They will effectively be banned and useless because you won’t be able to use them, ever which might as well be full confiscation. I wouldnt stand for that either. I don’t encourage violence but people need to make a hard stance, whatever that entails or they won’t ever stop.

As I stated earlier in this thread, we are at this point precisely because we have given in so many times to a movement that will not be satisfied. No more has to mean no more, and that means taking a hard stance.

 

[jinxx4ever]

vote'm out next time around, and change the laws back to where u want them. What this is though is a wake up call to the rest of the country where dems are running. Going to be hard for them to take a majority anywhere if folks running against them bring this up in the future

 

[Spblademaker]

I feel I can offer some professional insight into this. I am a retired federal agent and teach law and public policy now (Ph.D. in law and policy). You have to realize this is political posturing at its finest. There are too many pieces to this puzzle that make it totally improbable. OK, so even if they pass something restricting certain types of guns etc.. without a grandfather clause, 95% of the people will comply. As much as people like to talk crap on-line about civil war etc.. It is all talk and the politicians know this. Think about it for a moment. Even if you did not sell your items back you would be relegated to keeping them locked in your house. You would literally never be able to take them out in public again or risk being a felon. Most people are not willing to risk racking up numerous felonies and will simply comply. There will be thousands of people who do not turn in anything. BUT and this is the big BUT part--- the government is never going to confiscate them! Think logically about what that would take from a logistics standpoint. Every single law enforcement agency in the state would have to have a list of what they think people own based on your FFL background forms. Then they would have to literally go door to door and ask each person what they own for weapons. So, Joe Blow answers the door and says I sold those years ago, I burned them, I threw em in the lake, I lost them gambling, or whatever other shit he wants to say! LEOs cannot and will not get warrants to enter people's homes then to conduct searches! There is no way in hell this will happen. It is beyond unconstitutional. Do you think there are judges ready to grant tens of thousands of search warrants based on no facts???? If the alleged owner denies owning them there is no PC and no evidence! SBRs and suppressors are another story though. Then, as we are seeing the majority of police Chiefs' and Sheriffs' are not going to even enforce them. So, good luck requesting a door to door assessment. LEOs are far to busy to mess with this crap! They cannot even keep up with calls on a normal day in most parts of the country. Let alone be given some BS such as here is a list of the 10,000 gun owners in the city/county, now go door to door and conduct interviews!!!!! The idea is absurd. I feel the threat of the national guard is intended to incite violence in people. The more people freak out and take up arms just gives the politicians more ground to say,... see these guns freaks are crazy and violent which is more reason to ban them! I am not saying do not be concerned and do not be involved to try to stop it but the fear of some army going around kicking in doors and taking peoples guns is not going to happen. I do not even think the politicians are dumb enough to think it is possible either. It is a scare tactic, like negotiating. They will back down and say, just be glad we did not confiscate them! Do not get me wrong I think these are wild times and we should be worried for sure. BUT it is going to be a slow erosion of rights. It is easier and more palatable for people to lose things slowly. If things in Nov. end badly I do think we are looking at some presidential executive order. But I firmly feel any legislation, including VA will be slower and not so drastic. Or, I can be wrong and they are hoping for people to act out in violence when or if they pass a no grandfather law and mandatory buy back.

You might want to study the NJ non-compliance numbers with their latest magazine ban....Doc.

 

[uffduh]

I don't think governors "nationalize" gaurd troops they mobilize them call them up.

I believe presidents nationalize guard troops, (title 10 orders) I believe.

This is what I remember from my sons TANG days.

Feel free to correct my memories.

Governor calls up
President federalizes

Nationalize is what the left wants to do to illegal immigrants

Edited for grammar

 

[Greg Langelius *]

How soon we forget...

Bear with me.

Let's suggest that all those nice folks in the surrounding states swarm to the VA vicinity and stage for the boogaloo. Then, the 10 Black Hawks with $2.5 Billion in funding and assorted specialist troops drop in for the boogaloo.

Ugly isn't even close to being the word...

Then, NY, CA, NJ, MA, CT, etc. pull the same gimmick, and those fine patriots in those states' surrounding states follow suit, etc., etc.

Pipe dream? Sure.

Impossible, not so much.

Meanwhile, the sleight of hand continues when the widespread civil unrest distracts and dilutes the US ability to guard its borders. The Southern Border gets overrun, and not just by those poor refugees. Traffickers, drug runners, Iran Republican Guard, Chinese (remember, they own the bulk of Panama's port facilities, and there's not a single country between them and the US that could be anything more significant than a momentary speed bump to them). It doesn't have to be all of them, or even more than one of them.

I couldn't be much of a force multiplier in any adjacent state when those waves move through my own neighborhood headed North from the Border 50mi from our homes. It will happen, I Guaran-F'n-Tee you.

This is the real danger the Supreme Assholes in the VA Legislature and Governor's office are inviting. Personally, I think they're counting on it. So understand folks, what goes down in VA brings the pain down on a lot more of us than simply plucky VA.

Then, there's the Blue helmets...

The time to properly prepare for such things was years ago. I sure hope somebody has.

Hope is not a valid strategy; but in the midst of chaos all must improvise, adapt, and overcome...

Just remember; the threats don't just come from only the one direction.

As matters unfold, I will be a follower, not a leader. Odds are, down here in Southern AZ, I'd be throwing in with the local Deputies. If they turn on us citizens, we're all f*cked. If yours do, same, same...

Support your local Sheriffs, most of them, anyway.

Greg

 

[eca7891]

And you think these blackhawk commandos will raise up and fire on us citizens. You think their commanding officer will give that order... you know, the order that would have to come from the potus.

Pipe dream indeed.

 

[GordonFreeman]

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Blue helmets make great targets.

 

[MadDuner]

Blue helmets make great targets.

My steel is painted UN helmet blue....

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Pipe dream? Certainly could be.

Odds favor that those commandos were already handpicked troops who would draw down on their own Grandmothers.

Tell me they don't exist. Pipe dreams?

Got anything better?

While we're talking, how far do you live away from the Southern Border...?

Greg

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

LEO doesn’t support this. People don’t support this. It won’t happen.

If by some way it does....they could just burn everything to the ground.

Overwhelm the system every single day. Burn down the schools, the courts, the police stations, the library, burn down every single piece of property they own. Keep the hospitals, water treatment facilities, electrical grid and things people need to survive. But burn down everything else. Evacuate the buildings then burn em down.

Let them figure out what to do when the people revolt.

No one needs to die for them to get the message.

 

[eca7891]

Tell me they don't exist. Pipe dreams?

Got anything better?

Reality?

 

[Expert684]

LEO doesn’t support this. People don’t support this. It won’t happen.

If by some way it does....they could just burn everything to the ground.

Overwhelm the system every single day. Burn down the schools, the courts, the police stations, the library, burn down every single piece of property they own. Keep the hospitals, water treatment facilities, electrical grid and things people need to survive. But burn down everything else. Evacuate the buildings then burn em down.

Let them figure out what to do when the people revolt.

No one needs to die for them to get the message.

Don’t forget media outlets. Nothing hurts them like terminating the propaganda outlets!

 

[105gr]

Dont standbin front of tanks

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

All I want for Christmas is for the glacial interracial reappraisal to kick off and to smell commies roasting on an open hellfire.

 

[SilentStalkr]

How soon we forget...

Bear with me.

Let's suggest that all those nice folks in the surrounding states swarm to the VA vicinity and stage for the boogaloo. Then, the 10 Black Hawks with $2.5 Billion in funding and assorted specialist troops drop in for the boogaloo.

Ugly isn't even close to being the word...

Then, NY, CA, NJ, MA, CT, etc. pull the same gimmick, and those fine patriots in those states' surrounding states follow suit, etc., etc.

Pipe dream? Sure.

Impossible, not so much.

Meanwhile, the sleight of hand continues when the widespread civil unrest distracts and dilutes the US ability to guard its borders. The Southern Border gets overrun, and not just by those poor refugees. Traffickers, drug runners, Iran Republican Guard, Chinese (remember, they own the bulk of Panama's port facilities, and there's not a single country between them and the US that could be anything more significant than a momentary speed bump to them). It doesn't have to be all of them, or even more than one of them.

I couldn't be much of a force multiplier in any adjacent state when those waves move through my own neighborhood headed North from the Border 50mi from our homes. It will happen, I Guaran-F'n-Tee you.

This is the real danger the Supreme Assholes in the VA Legislature and Governor's office are inviting. Personally, I think they're counting on it. So understand folks, what goes down in VA brings the pain down on a lot more of us than simply plucky VA.

Then, there's the Blue helmets...

The time to properly prepare for such things was years ago. I sure hope somebody has.

Hope is not a valid strategy; but in the midst of chaos all must improvise, adapt, and overcome...

Just remember; the threats don't just come from only the one direction.

As matters unfold, I will be a follower, not a leader. Odds are, down here in Southern AZ, I'd be throwing in with the local Deputies. If they turn on us citizens, we're all f*cked. If yours do, same, same...

Support your local Sheriffs, most of them, anyway.

Greg

I don’t know about the black helos lol but there would no doubt be someone or multiple countries that would jump at the opportunity to come in amidst our chaos. So, on that we agree and is in reality a much bigger problem that most don’t think about, especially the reps. I don’t know if they are too stupid to realize this or they just think they can control enough so it doesn’t get there. Either would be an extreme lack of judgement on their part.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Reality. OK.

Reality will probably prove both us wrong.

But this is all conjecture.

Nothing has happened but a couple of loco polis running their mouths. I'd love to see that be the end of it, but since I'm so wrong...

 

[SilentStalkr]

Reality. OK.

Reality will probably prove both us wrong.

But this is all conjecture.

Nothing has happened but a couple of loco polis running their mouths. I'd love to see that be the end of it, but since I'm so wrong...

I dont know that anyone is wrong. What I do know is that nobody will be right. There will be no winners either. Lets just hope it doesn’t get that far.

 

[NCLR224]

Sounds to me like the key here is organization. Everyone one who has an interest in preservation of their rights has their own idea on how this should be done. I think the Framers have already covered this for us. VOTE!!!!
If this shit passes, then sit tight and be rebellious by not complying, then become active in getting out the vote. This is the only thing the Dems have done better. The “I just want to be left alone to mind my own business” attitude has got to stop. It’s obvious that the energy is here now, so why wasn’t it here prior to this point. Bring it! The one, of many, beautiful things about this country is that we, not too far down the line, have a chance to reverse a decision like this one.

After watching the hearing in front of the County Board, a couple pages back, one of the board members admonished everyone in the room for the paltry turnout in the last election. 40% of eligible voters in the state showed up to vote. Wtf? The Dems barely won this thing and don’t have a huge majority. If Bubba woulda put down the teet for a couple hours and hit the polls we probably wouldn’t be in this predicament. ( Sorry to all the Bubba’s out there for my calloused sense of humor, but my mom’s name was Bubba).

I think that the VCDL at this point is THE go to group to help with the matter. HUGE pat on the back to those folks. Half the battle is showing up.............and if that doesn’t get us what we want then the other half is shooting straight. But I don’t think now is the time for that second half.

 

[david walter]

 

[SilentStalkr]

Sounds to me like the key here is organization. Everyone one who has an interest in preservation of their rights has their own idea on how this should be done. I think the Framers have already covered this for us. VOTE!!!!
If this shit passes, then sit tight and be rebellious by not complying, then become active in getting out the vote. This is the only thing the Dems have done better. The “I just want to be left alone to mind my own business” attitude has got to stop. It’s obvious that the energy is here now, so why wasn’t it here prior to this point. Bring it! The one, of many, beautiful things about this country is that we, not too far down the line, have a chance to reverse a decision like this one.

After watching the hearing in front of the County Board, a couple pages back, one of the board members admonished everyone in the room for the paltry turnout in the last election. 40% of eligible voters in the state showed up to vote. Wtf? The Dems barely won this thing and don’t have a huge majority. If Bubba woulda put down the teet for a couple hours and hit the polls we probably wouldn’t be in this predicament. ( Sorry to all the Bubba’s out there for my calloused sense of humor, but my mom’s name was Bubba).

I think that the VCDL at this point is THE go to group to help with the matter. HUGE pat on the back to those folks. Half the battle is showing up.............and if that doesn’t get us what we want then the other half is shooting straight. But I don’t think now is the time for that second half.

You say sit by and vote the next time to change things, if something passes. The problem with that is that once something passes it’s rarely, if ever, rolled back. So that’s not a strategy unless you can live with having your rights taken away. Second, you are under the assumption that our votes actually count. I vote but I’m not under any illusion that the voting system is still legit.

 

[NCLR224]

You say sit by and vote the next time to change things, if something passes. The problem with that is that once something passes it’s rarely, if ever, rolled back. So that’s not a strategy unless you can live with having your rights taken away. Second, you are under the assumption that our votes actually count. I vote but I’m not under any illusion that the voting system is still legit.

I wonder about that myself, especially on the national level but nowhere am I advocating to sit around and do nothing. I know we had strict gun laws here in NC and now they are much less so. If the pen can change things this quockly then it can reverse them just the same, especially when they go against the constitution. I am coming up to march with you folks in hopes that it doesn’t go that far. That’s not doing nothing.

I have a good friend who just recently retired from our legislature, Republican. He and I chat a lot about politics. As ugly as that business is, he still manages to keep my hopes up. Just need to stay vigilant on who we put in office.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I wonder about that myself, especially on the national level but nowhere am I advocating to sit around and do nothing. I know we had strict gun laws here in NC and now they are much less so. If the pen can change things this quockly then it can reverse them just the same, especially when they go against the constitution. I am coming up to march with you folks in hopes that it doesn’t go that far. That’s not doing nothing.

I have a good friend who just recently retired from our legislature, Republican. He and I chat a lot about politics. As ugly as that business is, he still manages to keep my hopes up. Just need to stay vigilant on who we put in office.

The problem is and will be the huge cities with countless idiots that outvote the rest of you. It would seem that the checks and balances put in place so the majority couldn’t run over the minority are starting to fail. Or, they have found loopholes in the system and are exploiting them! You’d be surprised at the number of idiots that think the electoral college should be done away with and that the mob(majority) should rule. College professors brainwash kids into this nonsense everyday!

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

The Democrats rigged their Primary in 2016 and got caught and sued for it. The Court ruled that they had indeed rigged their primary and cheated *but* they did nothing illegal so there were no consequences. It is perfectly legal for them to pick a candidate behind closed doors and then dupe their voters into thinking "Well, that's who we picked so no matter what that's the way the cookie crumbles!"

So, if they can fix their own Primary election then the Republicans can "fix" or rig their Primary election. And if these pieces of shit can and are rigging and fixing which candidates we get to vote for how can one possibly believe we have a prayer in electing anyone who will help US?

We are not voting our way out of this one, my friends. We got herded in here and we are fenced in by our controlled and grooming Media and our Oligarchy owned and operated Government and Politicians. Vote how ya want, it's all rigged and both candidates work for the same Boss.

And into this mess they wanna to set it up to take our guns so that when they fleece our 401K's and Life Savings and take our homes to pay the huge dept we ran up trying to get medical help for a family member we have pointed sticks and sharp words to hurl at them as they send us to The Camps. Vote how ya want and good luck.

I'm not going to comply. And I'm not going quietly either. I'll do my prison time and I'll pay my fines and hopefully they kill me in jail. 'Cause when I get out? VooDoo will not be a happy camper.

VooDoo

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

If this shit passes, then sit tight and be rebellious by not complying, then become active in getting out the vote.

Voting harder isn't going to solve this problem. If this shit passes there will be war or we will be slaves, there is no compromise or consolation for Virginia. Not after seeing what this has done to the rest of the country.

 

[MCSO1357]

If voting worked, it would be outlawed.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

The Democrats rigged their Primary in 2016 and got caught and sued for it. The Court ruled that they had indeed rigged their primary and cheated *but* they did nothing illegal so there were no consequences. It is perfectly legal for them to pick a candidate behind closed doors and then dupe their voters into thinking "Well, that's who we picked so no matter what that's the way the cookie crumbles!"

So, if they can fix their own Primary election then the Republicans can "fix" or rig their Primary election. And if these pieces of shit can and are rigging and fixing which candidates we get to vote for how can one possibly believe we have a prayer in electing anyone who will help US?

We are not voting our way out of this one, my friends. We got herded in here and we are fenced in by our controlled and grooming Media and our Oligarchy owned and operated Government and Politicians. Vote how ya want, it's all rigged and both candidates work for the same Boss.

And into this mess they wanna to set it up to take our guns so that when they fleece our 401K's and Life Savings and take our homes to pay the huge dept we ran up trying to get medical help for a family member we have pointed sticks and sharp words to hurl at them as they send us to The Camps. Vote how ya want and good luck.

I'm not going to comply. And I'm not going quietly either. I'll do my prison time and I'll pay my fines and hopefully they kill me in jail. 'Cause when I get out? VooDoo will not be a happy camper.

VooDoo

When THEY subvert an election, it's perfectly ok.

 

[NCLR224]

All this makes me feel like a nice glass of some untaxed white liquor!

 

[heronblue7]

We need at least a dozen drones in he air in lobby day.

Live-streaming drones.

And recon drones to alert us of the arrival of redcoats.

 

[Fig]

He keeps saying it’s not a Republican/Democrat issue. Really? How many Virginia Republicans are for this?

Wake the fuck up, or you are part of the problem. If you can’t fucking identify your enemy how can you possibly resist?

 

[heronblue7]

Everyone there needs handheld ham radios and maybe burner phones.

Also a compass and or GPS.

 

[Zoomie]

Before the ban in New Yorkistan, they estimated there were close to 1 million rifles they wanted to ban. I believe less than 50,000 were registered, many to LEO's who really had no choice.

The governor said the rest were sold out of state.

What do you call it when they pass an unconstitutional fiat and nobody obeys it?

Furthermore, what does it say about the argument that all these years later not one of those many rifles still in circulation has been used for the nefarious purposes they allegedly wanted to ban them for?

I'll wait for an answer, but it may be awhile.

 

[79steeler]

Just get 6 decent platoons put together and go arrest the Govenor, the AG, and members of the legislature for treason against the Constitution. Have the Sheriffs get a warrant from a Conservative Judge so it's all legal. Have a trial. Found guilty hang them. Probably be the last time anyone try's this un-constitutional treasonous crap again. If you do it right very few people die. It's legal because you have a warrant and LE involved. No reason to start a civil war because a few Constitutional criminals got voted into office. Go get em Virginians!

 

[Vamike9]

 

[Jefe's Dope]

I'm just here for the tar and feathering.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

I'm here to stack bodies and get into Valhalla. This politics shit is fucking gay.

 

[MadDuner]

I’m on this site to learn how to shoot less than pie-plate MOA at 30 yds....

 

[Vamike9]

VA-ALERT: And the beat goes on: Buena Vista voted today to be a Sanctuary. 112 now!