Video of the shooting of our girl in DC

[MIDWAY]

When two stupids collide. You get this. Both sides are wrong.

I told my wife Tuesday that somebody in DC would die Wednesday. I'm no prophet... but sometimes any reasonable fool can see a ember is to close to the powder keg.

Either way the blood of patriots and tyrants has been drawn. Witness the downfall of both parties and emergence of the third

 

[Dragonback13]

People talk about size and location and if this and if that...it sucks that it happened and especially who it happened to, however, the shooter didn't know her status as a veteran, didn't know which side of the argument she was on and certainly didn't know what her capacity for damage was if she made it through that barrier. (Suicide bomber)
These are all decisions that cops make in a split second everyday and then get annihilated by second guessing and armchair quarterbacks in the aftermath when things are calm and there is no threat to the lives of those who would sit in judgment.
We have no idea what the orders of the day were inside that location but are so fast to condemn someone when it is "our girl" that ends up taking the bullet.
Wrong place, wrong time and doing the wrong shit!

 

[UKDslayer]

More fuel for the fire... look at the shooter, he appears to be a person of color.

I agree the hands/wrist looks dark but he might have bee wearing gloves..I froze at 0:09 and he appears Cauc.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Fuck him, prayers for the woman.

I want to agree, but can't.

He had a responsibility to secure the area beyond that door. The dude's gun was pointed directly at them and it was made very clear that anyone that chose to try to pass the barrier would be fired upon. Throughout this past year we've been overcome with the frustration of lines being crossed and inadequate action to preserve law and order.

From an emotional perspective, I get the urge to blame him. It's just not rational. Blame the government for creating the situation, not the individual that fired the shot. We MUST stay rational, regardless of how all this plays out.

I hope to God she doesn't die in vain and that this inspires individuals to support the cause. May history remember her along with the likes of John Adams and John Hancock for their role in the Boston Tea Party... as a spark that ignited the fire the dems couldn't put out.

I don't think the current situation can be resolved anymore without casualties. This is just the first of many. Lets just make sure to take note of the individuals truly responsible for this carnage so that if and when the times comes, they'll be held accountable.

 

[Dragonback13]

I want to agree, but can't.

He had a responsibility to secure the area beyond that door. The dude's gun was pointed directly at them and it was made very clear that anyone that chose to try to pass the barrier would be fired upon. Throughout this past year we've been overcome with the frustration of lines being crossed and inadequate action to preserve law and order.

From an emotional perspective, I get the urge to blame him. It's just not rational. Blame the government for creating the situation, not the individual that fired the shot. We MUST stay rational, regardless of how all this plays out.

I hope to God she doesn't die in vain and that this inspires individuals to support the cause. May history remember her along with the likes of John Adams and John Hancock for their role in the Boston Tea Party... as a spark that ignited the fire the dems couldn't put out.

I don't think the current situation can be resolved anymore without casualties. This is just the first of many. Lets just make sure to take note of the individuals truly responsible for this carnage so that if and when the times comes, they'll be held accountable.

Absolutely agree with you

 

[addertooth]

I think someone is applying the "castle doctrine" to a place of work. If an unarmed person enters your place of work uninvited, you simply detain them, or show them the door. You don't pop them with a gun unless your life is at immanent risk from the person entering. (unless your office is in your home).

If they are entering your home (castle), then the Castle doctrine applies. This area was offices, a place of work. This was not a high security zone with steel doors and wire mesh glass.

It does not meet the security requirements to store secret documents either. In the case of "open secret storage" additional rules apply. But those require steel doors, no windows, and cypher locks.

 

[vinniedelpino]

I think someone is applying the "castle doctrine" to a place of work. If an unarmed person enters your place of work uninvited, you simply detain them, or show them the door. You don't pop them with a gun unless your life is at immanent risk from the person entering. (unless your office is in your home).

If they are entering your home (castle), then the Castle doctrine applies. This area was offices, a place of work. This was not a high security zone with steel doors and wire mesh glass.

It does not meet the security requirements to store secret documents either. In the case of "open secret storage" additional rules apply. But those require steel doors, no windows, and cypher locks.

Huh? This wasn't the office of your local state farm agent. This is the capitol building... one of, maybe even THE single biggest target of a terror attack on the planet. No idea where castle doctrine comes into play here....

 

[ditter]

At some point one would have to have to think, " I, along with a few hundred others, have stormed the U.S. Capitol. The Vice President and every member of Congress is in this building. It is heavily armed and heavily defended. There is an armed police officer on the other side of this barricaded door. He's pointing a gun at me. He's telling me to leave. My BEST critical thinking and decision making tells me to now just start breaking the door down. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?"

Survival of fittest applies to the mentally fit also.

But let's face it, if a woman in a burkah was doing the same in the White House and got popped by a Secret Service Agent, this forum would be nominating him for Agent of the Century. So it really just comes down to what you hat you are wearing. Right?

 

[ForgeValley]

People talk about size and location and if this and if that...it sucks that it happened and especially who it happened to, however, the shooter didn't know her status as a veteran, didn't know which side of the argument she was on and certainly didn't know what her capacity for damage was if she made it through that barrier. (Suicide bomber)
These are all decisions that cops make in a split second everyday and then get annihilated by second guessing and armchair quarterbacks in the aftermath when things are calm and there is no threat to the lives of those who would sit in judgment.
We have no idea what the orders of the day were inside that location but are so fast to condemn someone when it is "our girl" that ends up taking the bullet.
Wrong place, wrong time and doing the wrong shit!

I would have condemned this shoot if it was a 250 lb master of kungfudo blm antifa thug trying to get through the door.

I agree that officers have to make split second decisions. This was not one of them. This was more like a split-minute decision. She was not getting through that side window with any kind of speed, and there are obstacles on the other side of the door. The officer in question had plenty of time to make a reasoned shoot\no shoot decision. There is an individual just down the hallway calmly standing there.

What were his ROE? Did he have comms with the tac team? I guess it could have been amateur hour at the US Capitol Bldg, no ROE in place, no comms with the tac team that was in a much better tactical position to deal with the threat in anyway they saw fit.

You have to be better than that. The split second decision monday morning quarterbacking defense just doesn't work here.

 

[DannC]

This^

I want to condemn the shooter, but I can't.

You nailed it. This girl getting shot stopped the momentum of the protest. Nobody was fuckin' with that door anymore after this.

That said, a whole lot of other people should've gotten shot throughout 2020 too.

Prayers go out to the officer who fired as well as the girl who got shot. What a shitty situation.

She was not just shot or murdered, she was executed. The officer moved to a position to shoot her in the head at almost point blank range to avoid shooting officers standing behind her, who could of easily stopped her.
Where is the cry for less lethal force of pepper spray or even a baton. She and Rittenhouse are now martyrs and it seems that teenagers and the young people who have the most to lose are leading us.

 

[TheGerman]

What is the standing, written ROE for the location both the shooter and the protestor are in for a breached event? This is very important in our case as if the ROE is weapons free if you breach the perimeter of the exterior building, well, it is what it is. If it requires the opposing force to have a weapon (she did not) or you to be put in a situation of imminent bodily harm (cant really argue that when you're being cover, behind a barricaded door) or to be afraid for your life (generally, you dont walk towards a threat if you do) than thats something else.

Looks like the double door is chained as well as barricaded. The QRF guys are almost 180 degrees from where the shooter is behind cover, ~10 feet away when the shooter begins to walk out towards the victim and then shoots, backs up/runs away. First, how are you retarded enough to take this shot when A. the QRF guys with fucking carbines and suppressors are almost literally behind this chick and B. there's a squad of QRF guys literally behind her, facing her, that don't even have a gun up on her or any real interaction that you would have if you know, a threat was 3 feet infront of you?

Looks like someone had a mix of tunnel vision and adrenaline. If the ROE isn't clear for this, guy needs to hang; but I'm curious what the actual ROE is here.

Also -

 

[vinniedelpino]

She was not just shot or murdered, she was executed. The officer moved to a position to shoot her in the head at almost point blank range to avoid shooting officers standing behind her, who could of easily stopped her.
Where is the cry for less lethal force of pepper spray or even a baton. She and Rittenhouse are now martyrs and it seems that teenagers and the young people who have the most to lose are leading us.

No, she wasn't. She was shot for knowingly and deliberately breaching a barrier inside of the capitol building while it was being overrun by a mob. Nothing about that scenario can be reasonably interpreted as an execution.

Actions like hers and Kyle's don't represent leadership either. Martyrdom, maybe. Self sacrifice? Yes. Definitely not leadership though.

We seem to have the same goals, but very different ideas of the best approach to accomplish them. Her death is a tragedy and I have nothing but love for her and the people beside her. I'm just calling it like it is.

I've never cried out for less lethal force either. Sometime lethal force prevents future lethal force on a grander scale.

 

[DannC]

Now you are telling me that Portland and Seattle were over run by mobs of rioters who out numbered and targeted police in the open with bricks, molotovs and blinding lasers should have been shot?
At least we agree on something.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Now you are telling me that Portland and Seattle were over run by mobs of rioters who out numbered and targeted police in the open with bricks, molotovs and blinding lasers should have been shot?
At least we agree on something.

That's an emphatic YES.

 

[gmar]

The whole thing of anyone be threatened by her is completely ridiculous. First, they have an wire SWAT Team behind her and the guy in the suit next to her is a member of the House. If she was a threat and there was a Representative in close proximity, the SWAT Team would have done something.

 

[Seed tick]

Glorified Mall Cop lost his shit.

 

[Holliday]

What is the standing, written ROE for the location both the shooter and the protestor are in for a breached event? This is very important in our case as if the ROE is weapons free if you breach the perimeter of the exterior building, well, it is what it is. If it requires the opposing force to have a weapon (she did not) or you to be put in a situation of imminent bodily harm (cant really argue that when you're being cover, behind a barricaded door) or to be afraid for your life (generally, you dont walk towards a threat if you do) than thats something else.

Looks like the double door is chained as well as barricaded. The QRF guys are almost 180 degrees from where the shooter is behind cover, ~10 feet away when the shooter begins to walk out towards the victim and then shoots, backs up/runs away. First, how are you retarded enough to take this shot when A. the QRF guys with fucking carbines and suppressors are almost literally behind this chick and B. there's a squad of QRF guys literally behind her, facing her, that don't even have a gun up on her or any real interaction that you would have if you know, a threat was 3 feet infront of you?

Looks like someone had a mix of tunnel vision and adrenaline. If the ROE isn't clear for this, guy needs to hang; but I'm curious what the actual ROE is here.

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Could that door have been declared a “red-line” or Alamo, as it were?

Also in an earlier video, it appears she is wearing a backpack concealed by the flag she is wearing. Could that have been an aggravating factor? Fear of a suicide bombing?

I seem to recall that they had reports of pipe bombs in the area during this incursion.

2 pipe bombs and cooler of Molotov cocktails found near Capitol Building amid Capitol riot, DC Police Chief says

Chief Contee said that a plain-clothes US Capitol Police officer is the one who shot and killed a woman inside the US Capitol Building.

www.wusa9.com

 

[Rocketvapor]

The fact that this woman was a Patriot, a 14 year Veteran, was known by who, and when?
Isn't that like many 'unarmed' being shot? Even kids with BB guns, or a cell phone?
That's an after the fact arm chair quarterback view.
At the instance of the shooting, who was she?
A little girl trying to crawl through the broken glass?
What was the implied risk to entering the chamber?
She rushed the enemy and lost. How many of us were there and brave?

What would have been the result of trying to storm the Oval Office and rush our beloved Donald being protected by armed defenders of our Constitution? Never mind, that would be different.

 

[Charger442]

The whole thing of anyone be threatened by her is completely ridiculous. First, they have an wire SWAT Team behind her and the guy in the suit next to her is a member of the House. If she was a threat and there was a Representative in close proximity, the SWAT Team would have done something.

is it confirmed that guy in the suit was a House Rep? who is he?

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Funny how the left isn't calling for his head after shooting an unarmed woman like they do after police shoot armed black guysView attachment 7522143

I emailed him a link to the video and asked him if he'd say the same thing if she was black or latino.

 

[Romeo458]

I emailed him a link to the video and asked him if he'd say the same thing if she was black or latino.

I didn't even think of that. Brilliant

 

[Jefe's Dope]

For everyone defending this piece of shit coward, did you not see the stack of armed Capitol Police officers behind her? Seriously.

She wasn't a threat. At all. Period. He got scared and fired. He could have easily taken 10 different courses of action besides pulling the trigger at her head. And he's a shit shooter to boot.

 

[ggmanning]

The biggest kicker for me is she has a whole tactical team right behind her. How much of a threat is she to the coward shooter when the tactical team is just walking along with her? Amazing the dumbass didn't hit some of the response team standing right behind her.

 

[gmar]

is it confirmed that guy in the suit was a House Rep? who is he?

I think it was Markwayne Mullin from Oklahoma. I can’t find it now but I saw an article or interview where he said he try to render help to her.

Rep. Markwayne Mullin Recounts Chaos During Capitol Hill Riot

Oklahoma Congressman Markwayne Mullin (R) has been extremely vocal about how angry he is about the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol Building Wednesday, stating that the protests were taken way too far. The 8-year republican congressman told News On 6 that what should’ve been only the...

www.newson6.com

 

[MCHOG]

Legit question here: Did all of the people, because of their overwhelming numbers, pose a risk of death or severe bodily injury to the officers tasked with protecting and keeping out the folks trying to get in?

Maybe I'm unbiased to a fault, but I could envision the officer in that situation fearing for his life or limb. Additionally, if you are staring down the barrel of a gun held by an officer who is telling you to stop and you keep coming, you are taking your life into your own hands.

Edit: It is interesting to see folks who said during the George Floyd riots "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," and are now sounding just like the liberals then.

 

[Seed tick]

Nothing will be done to the Mall Cop who shot her except he will be hailed as a hero. She onthe othehand was be labeled a terrorist. Welcome to the NWO

 

[JTinMO]

Clearly questionable decisions were made on both sides. The point I can't get over is the shooting when there is an entire SWAT looking team behind her that did not feel a need to take her down. My initial take and I still say this dude panicked and had a negligent discharge. But I want to give benefit of the doubt here, I guess.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Edit: It is interesting to see folks who said during the George Floyd riots "play stupid games, win stupid prizes," and are now sounding just like the liberals then.

Was she arrested and detained and then decided to resist and was a known criminal known personally to be dangerous to that individual cop? Did he step on her neck until she suffocated or did he shoot her in the head with a a stack of his cop brothers stacked behind her with "assault" weapons and "body armor"? I'm gonna go with you're comparing apples to oranges and victim blaming. Why not?

 

[MCHOG]

Was she arrested and detained and then decided to resist and was a known criminal known personally to be dangerous to that individual cop? Did he step on her neck until she suffocated or did he shoot her in the head with a a stack of his cop brothers stacked behind her with "assault" weapons and "body armor"? I'm gonna go with you're comparing apples to oranges and victim blaming. Why not?

I'm not talking about Floyd. I'm talking about the protestors and rioters who complained that they were abused by police.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

I'm not talking about Floyd. I'm talking about the protestors and rioters who complained that they were abused by police.

My bad. I read it differently. I'm a bit salty today. My sincere apologies my good sir.

 

[SilentStalkr]

You know this is going to sound crazy but I have several issues with the video of the woman being shot yesterday! One, it looked to me like the dude shot at that woman twice. He missed the first time. And she had to have seen him with the gun drawn there so she either thought he wasn’t going to shoot or it was an ND or he was doing what he was trained to do. But that’s not what bugs me the most. Watch the video. There is literally nobody in the vicinity panicking. They all seem fairly calm, which is not typical behavior of most people that have never been involved in something like that. I also noticed that nobody grabbed their ears. Not one of them. Anyone that has trained or shotg indoors knows how loud and disorienting that can be. The entire thing is bizarre. And I am sick and tired of people saying yesterday was violent. The only violence I seen was SS shooting an unarmed woman. The majority of those people were law abiding patriotic people. Lastly, looks like they getting ready to arrest Trump, or they going to try.

 

[gmar]

On a side note but still regarding the protest and police, does anyone have any context or background on what happened in this video of a police officer punching someone off the edge of a staircase?

 

[Jefe's Dope]

On a side note but still regarding the protest and police, does anyone have any context or background on what happened in this video of a police officer punching someone off the edge of a staircase?

Just some white privilege is all.

 

[myronman3]

he needs to be named, shamed, and prosecuted. and i hope he lives every day of the rest of his life reliving what he did.

sadly, the motherfucker will probably not be prosecuted, will probably be quite proud of himself, and just might get a promotion out of this.

and if that doesnt piss you off.....

this cuntry is so fucked

 

[ForgeValley]

Well here you go... Apparently ROE for the defense of the US Capitol Bldg is set by some random representative at the time of occurrence. And notice, they had plenty of time to discuss.

The U.S. Capitol Police officer who killed an Air Force vet when a mob stormed the beacon of democracy on Wednesday “didn’t have a choice at that time,” a GOP lawmaker who witnessed the shooting said Thursday. “They were trying to come through the front door, which is where I was at in the chamber, and in the back they were trying to come through the speaker’s lobby, and that’s problematic when you’re trying to defend two fronts,” Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) said on Good Morning America. “When they broke the glass in the back, the [police] lieutenant that was there—him and I already had multiple conversations prior to this—and he didn’t have a choice at that time. The mob was going to come through the door, there was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time. And when he [drew] his weapon, that’s a decision that’s very hard for anyone to make and, once you draw your weapon like that, you have to defend yourself with deadly force.”

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Well here you go... Apparently ROE for the defense of the US Capitol Bldg is set by some random representative at the time of occurrence. And notice, they had plenty of time to discuss.

The U.S. Capitol Police officer who killed an Air Force vet when a mob stormed the beacon of democracy on Wednesday “didn’t have a choice at that time,” a GOP lawmaker who witnessed the shooting said Thursday. “They were trying to come through the front door, which is where I was at in the chamber, and in the back they were trying to come through the speaker’s lobby, and that’s problematic when you’re trying to defend two fronts,” Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) said on Good Morning America. “When they broke the glass in the back, the [police] lieutenant that was there—him and I already had multiple conversations prior to this—and he didn’t have a choice at that time. The mob was going to come through the door, there was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time. And when he [drew] his weapon, that’s a decision that’s very hard for anyone to make and, once you draw your weapon like that, you have to defend yourself with deadly force.”

You could easily argue she was driven through the window on the door by Capital Police stacked in the stairway. They're literally is view of the pussy who tried to shoot her in the face and couldn't even get that right. I watched, you watched, everybody has watched it. It's crystal clear he didn't have to shoot. She wasn't armed or threatening and she was being driven forward by Capital Police using fully automatic rifles and riot/body armor. In fact, due to 'friendlies' location, it was a no shoot scenario.

 

[forrestgump01]

he needs to be named, shamed, and prosecuted. and i hope he lives every day of the rest of his life reliving what he did.

sadly, the motherfucker will probably not be prosecuted, will probably be quite proud of himself, and just might get a promotion out of this.

and if that doesnt piss you off.....

this cuntry is so fucked

Kamala will give him a medal of freedom.

 

[blaster07]

This was really hard to watch. the swat guy looks like he is teenager

 

[SilentStalkr]

I'm reading all these comments (50+ pages since yesterday). Then I read a post by a friend of mine's relative today (and they are "conservative.") Putting all of this on the "maniac" in the oval office. Blaming Trump for this. Violence and such.

The hypocrisy is staggering. Why the outrage now? Because this "hit home." This is not some piece of crap part of town going up in flames (again, look at the hypocrisy like they ever really cared for these poor businesses that got destroyed) but "in their back yard." Want to talk about institutional racism....THIS is institutional racism. Fuel the fire this summer, kumhola paid for rioters bail, allow inner cities to burn and downtowns, but now...................now ..........

These people listen to 100% of what the press says as if it is true...after all these 4 years...they learned NOTHING. How anybody can take what the press/media/propaganda says as 100% true or even 50% true is idiotic. Sadly, this is EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany - propaganda wins. Playbook right from Herr Goebles.

Whether you agree with the happenings yesterday or not, the press (I mean commie propaganda machine) is vilifying ANYBODY and EVERYBODY that had anything to do with Trump. This will then allow the commies in the 3 branches of government to pass all sorts of tyranny to limit freedom, let alone all the EO's coming down the pike. This is when it's going to get sticky.

Agreed.

Well here you go... Apparently ROE for the defense of the US Capitol Bldg is set by some random representative at the time of occurrence. And notice, they had plenty of time to discuss.

The U.S. Capitol Police officer who killed an Air Force vet when a mob stormed the beacon of democracy on Wednesday “didn’t have a choice at that time,” a GOP lawmaker who witnessed the shooting said Thursday. “They were trying to come through the front door, which is where I was at in the chamber, and in the back they were trying to come through the speaker’s lobby, and that’s problematic when you’re trying to defend two fronts,” Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) said on Good Morning America. “When they broke the glass in the back, the [police] lieutenant that was there—him and I already had multiple conversations prior to this—and he didn’t have a choice at that time. The mob was going to come through the door, there was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time. And when he [drew] his weapon, that’s a decision that’s very hard for anyone to make and, once you draw your weapon like that, you have to defend yourself with deadly force.”

Im sorry but the last statement made by that dudejust seems comical to me. It’s like hey if someone steps to you, you got to throw down.

 

[BytorJr]

Agreed.



Im sorry but the last statement made by that dudejust seems comical to me. It’s like hey if someone steps to you, you got to throw down.

I guess the logic is once you draw you have to put a bullet down the barrel? Good grief.

 

[Holliday]

Capitol Police Officer dies from injuries sustained in DC riot

“The officer, whose name was not immediately released, had been hit with a fire extinguisher, the two law enforcement officials said. But it was not clear if the blunt force had killed him; a chemical agent may have led to his death, one of the officials said.”

A Capitol Police officer who was seriously injured Wednesday remains on life support. (Published 2021)

www.nytimes.com

 

[craigos]

so that hero shoots an unarmed woman ... a true POS.

 

[Solid7]

Funny how the left isn't calling for his head after shooting an unarmed woman like they do after police shoot armed black guysView attachment 7522143

After living right outside the CHAZ/CHOP for a year, I kinda resent this sentiment.

To be clear, I don't care for extremist politics. I'm not taking any sides, and I think both parties right now are a sad lot. But people also don't get a free pass when they say one thing, and do another. Fuck this. Right in the proverbial ass. This asshole's constituents acted like human garbage all summer. I would have loved to have cracked their fucking skulls, myself. But they cried when people shut them down. And now this... NOPE

 

[...]

I want to agree, but can't.

He had a responsibility to secure the area beyond that door. The dude's gun was pointed directly at them and it was made very clear that anyone that chose to try to pass the barrier would be fired upon. Throughout this past year we've been overcome with the frustration of lines being crossed and inadequate action to preserve law and order.

From an emotional perspective, I get the urge to blame him. It's just not rational. Blame the government for creating the situation, not the individual that fired the shot. We MUST stay rational, regardless of how all this plays out.

as a professional firearms instructor trained in the use of force......please....please stop talking.

the ROE dont go out the window because he had to "secure an area" or because he "had his gun out and made it clear".

there needs to be a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm....and there wasnt.....there clearly wasnt.

you are responsible for what comes out of your gun.....you....not the govt...not your boss....you.


and i would feel the same no matter her background or political affiliation.

 

[Carlos Danger]

as a professional firearms instructor trained in the use of force......please....please stop talking.

the ROE dont go out the window because he had to "secure an area" or because he "had his gun out and made it clear".

there needs to be a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm....and there wasnt.....there clearly wasnt.

you are responsible for what comes out of your gun.....you....not the govt...not your boss....you.


and i would feel the same no matter her background or political affiliation.

^^^This. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I guess the logic is once you draw you have to put a bullet down the barrel? Good grief.

Thats the way I read it, yes. Which there is some truth to that but it’s situational as the guys above are implying..

 

[Holliday]

Capitol Police disputes reports that officer involved in riots died

Capitol police officer involved in riots dies from injuries; Capitol riot death toll up to 5

Capitol police officer Brian D. Sicknick died at 9:30 p.m. ET on Thursday from injuries sustained during Wednesday's riot.

www.thedenverchannel.com

 

[vinniedelpino]

as a professional firearms instructor trained in the use of force......please....please stop talking.

the ROE dont go out the window because he had to "secure an area" or because he "had his gun out and made it clear".

there needs to be a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm....and there wasnt.....there clearly wasnt.

you are responsible for what comes out of your gun.....you....not the govt...not your boss....you.


and i would feel the same no matter her background or political affiliation.

Oh shit. My bad. I didn't realize you were a "professional firearms instructor trained in the use force." I can't figure out if you're trolling me so I'll leave that one alone.

The guy shot someone who broke through a barricade INSIDE the CAPITOL BUILDING, while WEARING A BACKPACK.... WHILE A MOB HAD OVERRUN THE BUILDING, after they were given clear warning to stay back with his gun drawn and pointed directly them. Also consider that suspected IEDs were found (or planted... who knows) on capitol grounds.

Read that over a few times to make sure it sinks in. Put an ANTIFA thug, BLM protestor or muslim in her place and consider whether or not you'd feel the same way. This was a tragedy. I fully support the cause and sympathize whole heartedly with the protesters. I didn't post anything abrasive or antagonistic. Going after the cop is the same bullshit that the left tries to do.

It's ironic that the second someone deviates even slightly from the prevailing opinion here they're torn to shreds and labeled as a faggot or a commie. Then we go around bitching about "sheeple." Spirited debate and constructive discussion on the hide is impossible. No wonder lowlight is shutting this down....

 

[Jefe's Dope]

 

[Blutroop]

It sucks that this happened, but try to look at this objectively.
They were trying to forcefully breach a barricaded door.
The window has been broken, they are breaking down the door.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I fully support the march, I fully support non-violent protest.
That isn't what this was.
I understand how upset folks are, I fully believe that there was fraud on an unbelievable level. Who are we winning over with this?

Is it a crime to break into your own house?