Virginia Democrats pre-file assault weapons ban SB-16. Line in the sand has been drawn.

If the US gov can’t route the taliban from Afghanistan they aren’t going to route the Scotch-Irish from Appalachia.

The Irish have a long tradition of resisting tyranny. I always liked this old Irish folk ballad:

Hunted from out our father's home, pursued by steel and shot
A bloody warfare we must wage or the gibbet be our lot
Hurrah! This war is welcome work, the hunted outlaw knows
He steps unto his country's love o'er the corpses of his foes


unfortunately here so many descendants of the Irish move to big cities and turn into the very kind of spineless Statist pussies that would make their revolutionary forefathers vomit.
 
The Republic is in decline. Control the crash as best you can. Going out in a Blaze of Glory is romantic and all but living to see another day means we can control the crash better.

It's not 1776 anymore. Cameras everywhere - Internet - multi million $ stock trades done by cell phone - a Government with drones and operated by a global oligarchy. The time to fight is past by 50 years. Get inside and fix it from the inside out. It's lasted 240+ years. Well done. The solution is in the future and yet to be discovered. Stop looking in the past for the new solution. That world is past never to return.

VooDoo
 
I hate to be the one who says this....but no one's going to do anything to fight back or resist.

At best, there will be non-compliance and a lot of hiding/burying of guns.
You’re missing the real play. If VA does this as a ban, the only productive fight will in the courts. If Heller v DC is any guidance, the court takes the constitution seriously and will chide the VA lawmakers for seeking unconstitutional remedies.

We need to know which advocacy and legal players to fund.

Groups like the Virginia Citizens Defense League May be our best strategic response.
 
The Republic is in decline. Control the crash as best you can. Going out in a Blaze of Glory is romantic and all but living to see another day means we can control the crash better.

It's not 1776 anymore. Cameras everywhere - Internet - multi million $ stock trades done by cell phone - a Government with drones and operated by a global oligarchy. The time to fight is past by 50 years. Get inside and fix it from the inside out. It's lasted 240+ years. Well done. The solution is in the future and yet to be discovered. Stop looking in the past for the new solution. That world is past never to return.

VooDoo

So, just give up? Get in a rigged system? Sorry, I’m not really into taking it in the ass! No giving up or bending over here!
 
You’re missing the real play. If VA does this as a ban, the only productive fight will in the courts. If Heller v DC is any guidance, the court takes the constitution seriously and will chide the VA lawmakers for seeking unconstitutional remedies.

We need to know which advocacy and legal players to fund.

Groups like the Virginia Citizens Defense League May be our best strategic response.

VCDL is legit. I'd say they're currently the most credible and fulfilling VA 2A group. Originally they've been a little sporadic, but now that they have exact legislation and politicians to oppose things are getting along a little almost everyday. If I had to choose one group for this issue to rally under it would be VCDL, though others are also working hard and have been.
 
If you play by the "Rules" you will lose before you start. The elected politicians were elected by the money of Billionaire Mikey Bloomberg from New York. He gave these politicians money for their promise to disarm the citizens of Virginia, he didn't give any money to pro-gun advocates. I'm not from Virginia so I wouldn't know if the people had a overwhelming desire to hand over their guns to rid the State of them, if they did then that is what they wanted to happen so be it. If they didn't then this political corruption from the carpetbagger should be undone by the masses by any means, inaction is just furthering their process of the slow erosion of the democracy .
 
I know this is an old list but not a one in VA <sigh>

I mean, even CA had 10 on the list!
 
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The more I read about this the more it makes me sick. This better not be some cancer that leaks state to state, need to just cut it out early and stop the spread.
The only thing that will stop this crap is arrest, and trial of treason for the traitors that bring these laws, enforce these laws and uphold them.
 
So, just give up? Get in a rigged system? Sorry, I’m not really into taking it in the ass! No giving up or bending over here!
I'm not suggesting we give up. I'm suggesting we stop all the chest thumping "let's get at them Boyz!" and get come up with a plan based in reality that is feasible in the 21st century. I'm not going to comply in my State and we are forming 2A Sanctuary counties which is not perfect but it's better than thinking we are all gonna go get gunned down like cannon fodder and do violence to the people responsible for this infringement and anti 2A behavior.

What's yer Plan?

VooDoo
 
I'm not suggesting we give up. I'm suggesting we stop all the chest thumping "let's get at them Boyz!" and get come up with a plan based in reality that is feasible in the 21st century. I'm not going to comply in my State and we are forming 2A Sanctuary counties which is not perfect but it's better than thinking we are all gonna go get gunned down like cannon fodder and do violence to the people responsible for this infringement and anti 2A behavior.

What's yer Plan?

VooDoo

My plan is to help those in commie states however I can. Luckily, I live in free country and if it all goes sideways I’m fairly confident my state will be one of the last if not the last to go. But that doesn’t mean I’m not watching and helping my brothers out either by donating politically, voting correctly here locally, trying to introduce more people to guns and educate them on it. The list goes on and on but I don’t feel it’s enough.

Youright, a lot of us scream into an echo chamber like this one which doesnt do much productive and that’s why Gun owners are at such a disadvantage. We can’t seem to figure out how to organize and get shit done because too many say it wont happen to me or I don’t have the time or I have to work and blah blah. At some point people have to decide what’s most important. If you can’t show up to defend your rights when called, whatever that entails, then you don’t deserve them
In the first place.

I’m following what is happening in VA closely for many reasons and certainly for an educational perspective. I like the response I’m seeing so far but I don’t feel like it’s enough as sanctuary counties still have little protection in the grand scheme of things. I feel it’s more symbolic than anything like telling the lawmakers, fuck you. But, in the end that doesn’t do anything real. I can drive around the White House screaming fuck you until I’m blue in the face but it’s wasted energy because in the end that doesn’t change anything; it’s really no different than arguing here. I agree it is something and it’s a step in the right direction, but what is next? What is something real that can be done? Unfortunately, every law whether constitutional or not is either accepted as the real deal by the people or not. Whatever is accepted by the majority seems to be what becomes law. So, we either have to persuade a large amount of the populace that these are unconstitutional laws and that we won’t stand for it or put all our hope in the USSC doing the right thing. I don’t like the latter scenario. We have to change public opinion and vote the right people in on a local level.
 
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I'm not suggesting we give up. I'm suggesting we stop all the chest thumping "let's get at them Boyz!" and get come up with a plan based in reality that is feasible in the 21st century. I'm not going to comply in my State and we are forming 2A Sanctuary counties which is not perfect but it's better than thinking we are all gonna go get gunned down like cannon fodder and do violence to the people responsible for this infringement and anti 2A behavior.

What's yer Plan?

VooDoo


I've yet to hear anyone's plan on how they intend to kick off this so called civil war coming. A lot of why don't you guys do this or that so we don't have to along with buy more ammo and guns.
 
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My plan is to help those in commie states however I can. Luckily, I live in free country and if it all goes sideways I’m fairly confident my state will be one of the last if not the last to go. But that doesn’t mean I’m not watching and helping my brothers out either by donating politically, voting correctly here locally, trying to introduce more people to guns and educate them on it. The list goes on and on but I don’t feel it’s enough. Your right, a lot of us scream into an echo chamber like this one which doesnt do much productive and that’s why Gun owners are at such a disadvantage. We can’t seem to figure out how to organize and get shit done because too many say it wont happen to me or I don’t have the time or I have to work and blah blah. At some point people have to decide what’s most important. If you can’t show up to defend your rights when called, whatever that entails, then you don’t deserve them
In the first place. I’m following what is happening in VA closely for many reasons and certainly for an educational perspective. I like the response I’m seeing so far but I don’t feel like it’s enough as sanctuary counties still have little protection in the grand scheme of things. I feel it’s more symbolic than anything like telling the lawmakers, fuck you. But, in the end that doesn’t do anything real. I can drive around the White House screaming fuck you until I’m blue in the face but it’s wasted energy because in the end that doesn’t change anything; it’s really no different than arguing here. I agree it is something and it’s a step in the right direction, but what is next?

Nothing will be done really to prevent or stop the disarmament of the people, assuming everyone here attended school you were taught obedience similar to brainwashing to obey rules and laws set up by the government since you were a child so its programmed into your mind. WE will never see a Revolution in our life time for we are still many years away yet from our democracy changing into a dictatorship.Then that must run its course over time like Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela , so we are still many decades away before we have to throw stones at government forces for food and living conditions.
 
I am doubtful that all of this will actually get signed off, however I am continually surprised with some of the bills being passed. This may mean county sanctuary laws being pushed out, hopefully it doesn’t get that far. Virginia is going to be a state full of felons if this goes south. I do agree with sending out the right message though. I’m not sure what the answer is but this day in age social media is killing our image. We all know education is our biggest hurdle, but how do you thoroughly educate the ignorant. We need some influential propaganda.
 
If you play by the "Rules" you will lose before you start. The elected politicians were elected by the money of Billionaire Mikey Bloomberg from New York. He gave these politicians money for their promise to disarm the citizens of Virginia, he didn't give any money to pro-gun advocates. I'm not from Virginia so I wouldn't know if the people had a overwhelming desire to hand over their guns to rid the State of them, if they did then that is what they wanted to happen so be it. If they didn't then this political corruption from the carpetbagger should be undone by the masses by any means, inaction is just furthering their process of the slow erosion of the democracy .

He who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself. We will win this with persistence and a rationale of honor, no other political or social movement has ever succeeded in this country by brute force or straw man logic. The high ground in this case is built on morals and logic, safe bet 650k+ upstanding CC VA folks have more to say now than when they voted along party lines originally. To debase their platform with underhanded tactics would be especially unneighborly. This is a powderkeg issue, our rulers would have us divide and condemn over it, I will not.
 
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He who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself. We will win this with persistence and a rationale of honor, no other political or social movement has ever succeeded in this country by brute force or straw man logic. The high ground in this case is built on morals and logic, safe bet 650k+ upstanding CC VA folks have more to say now than when they voted along party lines originally. To debase their platform with underhanded tactics would be especially unneighborly. This is a powderkeg issue, our rulers would have us divide and condemn over it, I will not.
I disagree completely.
 
I don’t expect widespread resistance of a violent nature but the culture in the mountains there doesn’t take well to tyranny and this will definitely cost a few people their lives. Probably in isolated events.

Political violence in western civilizations involves relatively few combatants. The next largest group is people who offer them a bed and a hot meal and some ammo or a ride. Then there’s the people that pay for it, like the plastic paddies passing the hat in Boston bars for the IRA into the 1990s. For every guy that actually breaks bad there are dozens of guys that would spot him a part of their ammo fort or a few hundred dollars.
 
It is an empirical fact that no political or social movement has succeeding in this country by forceful means. There is no room for disagreement on that point, it is mathematically 100% true. That is, unless we are talking about a concerted revolution— which I am not.

Now I'm not going to tell anyone how to order their house, but this is a battlefield of postures, debate, and consolation whether you like it or not. I will fight tyranny on whatever battlefield it resides, but I will not drag my countrymen through the mud and condemn them because they didn't pay attention in Civics and History class. If someone thrusts violence upon me for not complying peacefully I will fight with everything I have, they are not my countrymen if they are forcing violence upon me, but today is not that day and I will do my best in every regard to ensure that never happens to anyone in this state. Americans are generally good folks, but a lot of them have been fed a feel-good diet of MSM and idealism which needs to be exchanged for the honor of liberty and self-reliance. Their good intentions have been turned against their best interest and bent under the will of the political elite. There is no left and right when it comes to this issue in VA, there is the people and their government.
 
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I’m wondering if Bloomberg and the other assholes behind this are trying to incite violence with these rapacious new laws.

They want to start a conflict so they can call in the UN or whomever.

Maybe they are shorting the US dollar and their plan is simple destruction.

I either way, it seems like want to create mayhem before the 2020 elections.

A think an enourmous peaceful armed march is the only answer.

Maybe even jail some the gun grabbing conspirators for violating the constitution.
 
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I’m wondering if Bloomberg and the other assholes behind this are trying to incite violence with these rapacious new laws.

They want to start a conflict so they can call in the UN or whomever.

Maybe they are shorting the US dollar and their plan is simple destruction.

I either way, it seems like want to create mayhem before the 2020 elections.

A think an enourmous peaceful armed march is the only answer.

Maybe even jail some the gun grabbing conspirators for violating the constitution.
You know a lot of funding for this shit is coming from outside, even outside the country. The UN is licking their chops at the thought of disarming America to bring us without a wimper into their one world enslavement.
 
The big problem is we have a lot of good people willing to take back this country from these communist traitors, however we are all too fragmented. We need a united front, nationwide, and stand strong together. We allowed way too much compromise. If this happens, it hurts all of us. Not just that state, city or county. It isnt good enough to attack just the traitors putting this shit into law, the traitors enforcing and upholding said treason. We also need to knock out the election rigging that feeds power to them. Illegals blatantly without punishment vote in our elections from local on up to federal, that needs to be stopped first. Its pointless to keep shoveling out buckets of water while the leak is flowing, we need to plug the leak first.
 
GOA is my go to nationwide group, they do work. We do need to consolidate our efforts as best we can.

If we had already ripped the money out of politics this issue would never have emerged at all. Peripheral aspects of the situation can sway everything with the stroke of a pen on a check. That needs to be nipped for the total betterment of America.
 
How are we gonna unite when we can't even agree on who the real enemy is? Far too many blame The Democrats, The Liberals, The Leftists, The Socialists and they blame the Right, The Fascists, The Racists, The Nazis and Republicans. We have been deliberately divided against each other with bullshit stereotypes. We are being and have been being groomed for decades by The Real Enemy and the gist of this grooming has been to make Americans split into factions that all hate each other - we have been and continue to be divided by bullshit so that we cannot prevail against the real enemy of The Republic. We are (all of US) victims of a campaign to assimilate America's wealth and property and we have complied because we feel empowered to hate our neighbors because "they are all fucked up and the root of the problem".

We are being decimated and our wealth assimilated by a Global Oligarchy that now controls our Government and all of our Representation with the lust for power and money. They have *SO* much wealth that we cannot buy our way out of/away from them and our Government Officials want that Judas Money to liquidate every fucking one of US.

America is in trouble because we hate our neighbors and judge everyone that doesn't flow with US as defective and part of/the root of The Problem. My neighbors don't need to die in a Civil War to solve this subjugation of America. They are the victims as are we. We need to out and off The Enemy. Not our fucking neighbors.

VooDoo
 
How are we gonna unite when we can't even agree on who the real enemy is? Far too many blame The Democrats, The Liberals, The Leftists, The Socialists and they blame the Right, The Fascists, The Racists, The Nazis and Republicans. We have been deliberately divided against each other with bullshit stereotypes. We are being and have been being groomed for decades by The Real Enemy and the gist of this grooming has been to make Americans split into factions that all hate each other - we have been and continue to be divided by bullshit so that we cannot prevail against the real enemy of The Republic. We are (all of US) victims of a campaign to assimilate America's wealth and property and we have complied because we feel empowered to hate our neighbors because "they are all fucked up and the root of the problem".

We are being decimated and our wealth assimilated by a Global Oligarchy that now controls our Government and all of our Representation with the lust for power and money. They have *SO* much wealth that we cannot buy our way out of/away from them and our Government Officials want that Judas Money to liquidate every fucking one of US.

America is in trouble because we hate our neighbors and judge everyone that doesn't flow with US as defective and part of/the root of The Problem. My neighbors don't need to die in a Civil War to solve this subjugation of America. They are the victims as are we. We need to out and off The Enemy. Not our fucking neighbors.

VooDoo

Its the 535 politicians who control the narrative and the power at the top followed by state and local who want that position as well so they carry on the narrative as well at the local levels. Our government is based on these liars and personal agendas. If your neighbors believe in these politicians and stand with them on every word then we have a divide in our Nation that unfortunately can't be corrected with our present government which is responsible for the divide to begin with. Each side tries to fuck the other side , these politicians aren't working for The People as they are suppose to.

All men are created equal so our system should be equal to for each side.
 
How are we gonna unite when we can't even agree on who the real enemy is?

When you can get all of the "good" or "freedom loving" types to finally agree that the 2nd Amendment is a Natural basic right, that predates and supersedes all other laws... and no free person shall be prevented from exercising it, just like just about everybody (including the communists, at least when they need to make a point), thinks about the rest of the bill of rights, then maybe you have a chance.

But I'll bet you it's near impossible to do even that, too many "good" people are mired with religious devotion that somehow they will be safer or things better if it's more a "privilege" that you only get to use if you follow evey little dictate and law your whole life, and saying that "bad" people shouldn't have that right will make everything better.....

Too many of your fellow gun owners not only will be busy alerting the SS to your attempted escape from the line to get into the box cars, they'll be condemning you vehemently for not worshiping at the boots of the SS masters because "it's the law" and "they are just doing their duty" and "They are the King's Men".

The moment people start accepting the first restriction/permission/tax/prohibition on a right, then it all goes downhill from there and becomes simply a government given privilege that can be revoked at will.

Good luck.
Even on this site, you'll never even get half the people to accept that the second amendment applies without restriction to everyone just like the 1st amendment does...
 
How are we gonna unite when we can't even agree on who the real enemy is? Far too many blame The Democrats, The Liberals, The Leftists, The Socialists and they blame the Right, The Fascists, The Racists, The Nazis and Republicans. We have been deliberately divided against each other with bullshit stereotypes. We are being and have been being groomed for decades by The Real Enemy and the gist of this grooming has been to make Americans split into factions that all hate each other - we have been and continue to be divided by bullshit so that we cannot prevail against the real enemy of The Republic. We are (all of US) victims of a campaign to assimilate America's wealth and property and we have complied because we feel empowered to hate our neighbors because "they are all fucked up and the root of the problem".

We are being decimated and our wealth assimilated by a Global Oligarchy that now controls our Government and all of our Representation with the lust for power and money. They have *SO* much wealth that we cannot buy our way out of/away from them and our Government Officials want that Judas Money to liquidate every fucking one of US.

America is in trouble because we hate our neighbors and judge everyone that doesn't flow with US as defective and part of/the root of The Problem. My neighbors don't need to die in a Civil War to solve this subjugation of America. They are the victims as are we. We need to out and off The Enemy. Not our fucking neighbors.

VooDoo
The enemy are the politicians/voters that put this shit into place, the police and agencies that enforce it, the teachers and preachers that teach it, and the judges that let this shit stand. The enemy is quite clear to me.
 
When you can get all of the "good" or "freedom loving" types to finally agree that the 2nd Amendment is a Natural basic right, that predates and supersedes all other laws... and no free person shall be prevented from exercising it, just like just about everybody (including the communists, at least when they need to make a point), thinks about the rest of the bill of rights, then maybe you have a chance.

But I'll bet you it's near impossible to do even that, too many "good" people are mired with religious devotion that somehow they will be safer or things better if it's more a "privilege" that you only get to use if you follow evey little dictate and law your whole life, and saying that "bad" people shouldn't have that right will make everything better.....

Too many of your fellow gun owners not only will be busy alerting the SS to your attempted escape from the line to get into the box cars, they'll be condemning you vehemently for not worshiping at the boots of the SS masters because "it's the law" and "they are just doing their duty" and "They are the King's Men".

The moment people start accepting the first restriction/permission/tax/prohibition on a right, then it all goes downhill from there and becomes simply a government given privilege that can be revoked at will.

Good luck.
Even on this site, you'll never even get half the people to accept that the second amendment applies without restriction to everyone just like the 1st amendment does...
Well here’s one that doesnt tolerate any restriction of the first nor second amendments.
 
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The map shows percentage of Hispanic population growth in Virginia 2010-2016.

I will not make any judgments about Latinos except for the fact they they overwhelmingly vote democrat.

The open borders assholes created this crisis where you have illegals and recent immigrants dictating policy that is insufferable to Americans who have been here for 10 or more generations.
 
I believe two things needs to happen.

#1 secure our border and deport as many criminal aliens as possible

#2 prosecute and jail Dem politicians who have broken the law and betrayed our country, especially those who have aided and abetted illegal aliens.
Not just the politicians, those that hire them.
 
Full article

I know NPR sucks but this explains the demographic shift that gave leftists the edge.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/17/627251940/amid-a-hispanic-boom-conflicting-feelings-on-immigration

This from patronizing Taco Bell all these years .

This could be solved that if you came over illegally you can never vote, then the democrats wouldn't really want to flood the Nation with illegals because they could never use them to stay in office like they used the blacks. They only care for these illegal immigrants so they can capture a voting block.
 
I am fairly certain section 18.2-308.8 will not hold up as constitutional under the DC vs Heller decision. That decision is pretty clear that the 2A protects firearms "in common use." ARs and other semi-automatic weapons have been judicially determined to be "in common use", unlike weapons like machine guns. For this, see the 1994 Supreme Court Decision Staples vs US https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/92-1441.ZO.html. The recent Kavanaugh confirmation hearing, before it became a sh*t storm of pointless 30 year old events, was a reaffirmation of the "in common use" protection. I know that Heller II never made it to the Supreme Court for a real ruling on 'assault rifles' but believe that if it does, it will go in favor of the weapon as constitutional.

Not to say that the legal channel is the best way of 'resolving' this - the voting box clearly is - just citing it as a protection.
 
I’m wondering if Bloomberg and the other assholes behind this are trying to incite violence with these rapacious new laws.

They want to start a conflict so they can call in the UN or whomever.

Maybe they are shorting the US dollar and their plan is simple destruction.

I either way, it seems like want to create mayhem before the 2020 elections.

A think an enourmous peaceful armed march is the only answer.

Maybe even jail some the gun grabbing conspirators for violating the constitution.

I believe this is all on purpose by the leftists to have the final straw to remove all gun rights countrywide and then jail those with guns. Many here post like they are taking the bait hook line and sinker.

The left has already laid the ground work to frame anyone who stands up for their constitutional rights as a domestic terrorist and most likely also a lunatic with multiple guns and hoards of ammo just ready to do damage to your children.

This has to be played very carefully or else those wanting to keep their rights will end up on the wrong side of everything (including public opinion) very quickly.
 
I believe this is all on purpose by the leftists to have the final straw to remove all gun rights countrywide and then jail those with guns. Many here post like they are taking the bait hook line and sinker.

The left has already laid the ground work to frame anyone who stands up for their constitutional rights as a domestic terrorist and most likely also a lunatic with multiple guns and hoards of ammo just ready to do damage to your children.

This has to be played very carefully or else those wanting to keep their rights will end up on the wrong side of everything (including public opinion) very quickly.
If they want to turn people into felons via a pen stroke that is their choice. However once you have done that to people who have obeyed the law all their lifes,... you might find you made a mistake, as after the first one the rest are free. Now let's take that a little farther, with out out a gun/s are there other items that will work just as good? My guess would be yes an those items are found in every store on this rock.

I further submit that the bulk of the so called elected officials on the left are in fact the "Domestic Enemy" part of the oath many of us here took, an some many times over. Most here who took that oath may have had the chance to play tag with the "Foreign Enemy" at some time or the other, but playing tag already localized, might be an advantage,... I would guess.
People need to be very careful of pushing their agenda on those who defend/ed their nation when the calls went out,.... Training for export only, does not vanish after ETS'ing. Plus the mental evals I can still recall,... never ask about this type of game of tag. The choice is theirs an their alone,...