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Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.
Naaaaa.... they really mean what they're saying literally, and you can trust them to not abuse it. It's for our own safety!
Just kidding. Of COURSE they'll twist it to put the screws to us... just like the ever-changing definition of the mythical "assault weapon."
Virginia Citizens Defense LeagueNo grandfather clause....so they will likely be looking at implementing wholesale confiscation and resort to all measures and strategies for identifying “violators”.
Among those strategies is likely to be large scale data mining, in particular of Va-specific and national gun and pro-2A sites like this one.
VA residents posting pics of their set ups here and other sites and social media platforms should start scrubbing all such pictures or related content that can potentially tie themselves to the banned items.
Not trying to spread paranoia but the tech exists and of course was developed by gun grabbing cucks:
NOTICE: Facebook And Google Indexing Your Firearm Serial Numbers
Google and Facebook have now made it possible to find photos of firearms by simply searching for a serial number. A story today showed that photos of cars could be found by searching for license plate numbers. It appears the same is now also true of firearm serial numbers.www.thefirearmblog.com
Question: Are any VA - based pro2A groups drafting up legal challenges to this fucking shit so it’s ready to go? Would seem that DC v Heller would on its own nullify this bill given it bans the sale and possession of common use arms with NO Grandfather clause.... All pistols as well as AR15s/AK47 clones and the like are considered “common use” for constitutional purposes per that ruling.
The Dems hate America.
They want to bring in the cartels.
They want to disarm us.
They are enemies of the Constitution.
Virginia SB64 | 2020 | Regular Session
Bill Text (2020-04-02) Paramilitary activities; penalty. [Governor: Acts of Assembly Chapter text (CHAP0601)]legiscan.com
And they are going further than just guns. They are going after training and such. Go to the range and teach your buddy better trigger control, let's make that a felony.
All of it is unconstitutionalOK... So, I just discovered Florida (my home state) has the same law... minus the "assembly / parade / demonstration" ban, which is, of course, a 1st Amendment violation. Also note that the Florida law specifically exempts traditional firearms training.
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So, the way I see it, the VA state congress screwed itself by inserting an unconstitutional "poison pill" into their law. Because of that one unconstitutional provision, the entire law will be struck down in court.
Someone needs to take out billboards around the capital that show the FBI Crime Stats,
In a Country with 322M people, we have less than 500 deaths from so Assault Rifles, that should be highlighted compared to everything they ignore
I would do a buy and plaster these numbers all over the place.
We know there was twice as many knive deaths, fists, and feet, etc.
Frank,Someone needs to take out billboards around the capital that show the FBI Crime Stats,
In a Country with 322M people, we have less than 500 deaths from so Assault Rifles, that should be highlighted compared to everything they ignore
I would do a buy and plaster these numbers all over the place.
We know there was twice as many knive deaths, fists, and feet, etc.
All of it is unconstitutional
You’re definitely right there, sad to say.what I would do is find gunshops in the area that might already have advertising, billboards and partner to take those over
You won't win the messaging argument because VA Shooters are already outnumbered by the media. They are already putting articles out that those who disagree are subverting the State.
You need to go old school on the messaging because the modern media has you beat
Great points about emotions being impervious to facts.On its face, I like your idea. I have been fighting and advocating in this battle for a LONG time. I'm very active, in that regard, on social media. I blog about it. I write my representatives. And, I've even appeared on national TV (got lucky).
And, as a "man of science" (I'm a dentist), I am well-versed in statistical analysis, scientific studies, and vetting facts from multiple independent sources. I am quite good at citing statistics and references. Here's what I've found (and am finally realizing)... I'm using FACTS to argue against / debate EMOTION. It doesn't work. I'm really quite GOOD at it, and it doesn't work. I've tried and tried and tried. The only successes I've had are with people "on the fence."
To argue against emotion, you have to use an emotional appeal. It's not easy. I don't mean GETTING "emotional" in the debate. I mean appealing to THEIR human emotions with our debate points. That twice as many people are murdered with bare hands and feet as are with rifles means NOTHING to our philosophical opponents. They are our opponents, but we really want the same thing: To FEEL and BE safe. The problem is that they have been misled about the path to that goal. They've become unwitting "useful idiots" to those with a political agenda to CONTROL EVERYONE, under the GUISE of "safety."
So, I thought about your idea and came up with a twist. Billboards with split frames. On the left half... photo and story about a crime victim who could not defend herself. On the right half... a crime victim (same type of crime) who WAS able to defend herself. We've got to use an EMOTIONAL appeal! Stories sell. People love stories. Stories resonate (which is why I use them in my marketing).
I'd be interested in what you think about my twist, Lowlight. ?
This is also trueGreat points about emotions being impervious to facts.
However, I see little emotional appeal in using lethal force to defend my life. I do not know how you guys feel about it but every time I holster up I pray to God that no knucklehead will force me to use the gun.
People who vote for a gun free America are under the illusion that .gov will take care of the bad guys, They are unwilling to take the risk of the social and legal fallout from deploying lethal force in self-defense.
I am glad you said that:what I would do is find gunshops in the area that might already have advertising, billboards and partner to take those over
You won't win the messaging argument because VA Shooters are already outnumbered by the media. They are already putting articles out that those who disagree are subverting the State.
You need to go old school on the messaging because the modern media has you beat
Yep, red flag laws violate all three, blatantly.I am glad you said that:
"...those who disagree are subverting the State."
Guns is just one issue. 1A, 4A, etc. is as much under attack as 2A
Great points about emotions being impervious to facts.
However, I see little emotional appeal in using lethal force to defend my life. It may become a necessity but certainly not a desirable one. I do not know how you guys feel about it but every time I holster up I pray to God that no knucklehead will force me to use the gun.
People who vote for a gun free America are under the illusion that .gov will take care of the bad guys, They are unwilling to take the risk of the social and legal fallout from deploying lethal force in self-defense.
Great points about emotions being impervious to facts.
However, I see little emotional appeal in using lethal force to defend my life. It may become a necessity but certainly not a desirable one. I do not know how you guys feel about it but every time I holster up I pray to God that no knucklehead will force me to use the gun.
People who vote for a gun free America are under the illusion that .gov will take care of the bad guys, They are unwilling to take the risk of the social and legal fallout from deploying lethal force in self-defense.
I think there was a case where a young woman permanently deterred a home invader with her competition shotgun. That would be a good pro-gun/self-defense story.Certainly, I hope I'm never forced to defend myself that way. I've been carrying for about 25 years.... so far, so good. Good situational awareness and motivation to de-escalate any confrontation is key.
I agree that the gun-banners have been misled, some being delusional about "safety" being provided by a disinterested and often distant third party government agency.
The emotional appeal of a DGU story is that an innocent person has been saved. Ideally, an innocent victim with whom others can IDENTIFY. "She's just like me. That could have happened to me. That happened to my friend." And so on.
That's why I like the idea of contrasting stories.... one is an unarmed victim who has suffered as a result. The other is an armed victim who SAVED HERSELF. In NEITHER case was law enforcement there in time. Stories resonate emotionally with people. It's why stories have been used to educate the masses going back to the cave man days.
Statistics? They only appeal to nerds (like me). Statistics have not likely ever convinced anyone to..... here's the kicker... CHANGE. THEIR. MINDS. Statistics won't do it. In fact, many people today REFLEXIVELY dismiss statistics. They'll even say... "Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics."
Ironically, the people who want to deny adults the choice of lethal force against a culpable assailant in self-defense,I do not want to ever have to shoot anyone and would only do so if it was a situation of me (my family) or them. I know people are animals and some value human life at zero, I would not have a problem defending myself of someone like that came after me or my family.
I had an interesting online discussion with an extreme anti gun person along these lines, and his bottom line was that he would never kill anyone ever for any reason and that was one reason he was anti gun.
He was a fairly wealthy person, meaning always bragging about his toys, and if a criminal were to rob his house, it would be a jackpot. He also had a wife and kids.
I asked him to post of a list of his valuables and pics of his wife, and I would spread the good news about the easy target on some parts of the dark web that he didn't know existed and then we will see how fast he becomes a 2A supporter.
I was joking of course, but it was interesting how he insisted he would not change his opinion even if attacked, he also would not give me his address.
This is a personal CHOICE. If you choose not to defend yourself or run away while your family is gang raped on a home invasion, that is up to you, but in my world you HAVE that CHOICE to make, in the leftist world, they make that choice for you.
Someone needs to take out billboards around the capital that show the FBI Crime Stats,
I think there was a case where a young woman permanently deterred a home invader with her competition shotgun. That would be a good pro-gun/self-defense story.
While true, there has to be a way to combat said manipulation and lies coming from the media, its pocketbooks, and the traitorous politicians. So if we cant side with truth, cant use facts, then what do we do? We have to do something, we cant just sit on our asses and let these pansy fucks steamroll us into oblivion. So, what’s the game plan?There are hundreds of these stories every year. The media is completely controlled by people who do not care about the truth at all, in any way. If facts mattered in this we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
The truth has been on our side for more than 50 years, and we have constantly slid backwards. You guys are on the wrong stuff with trying to educate people who hate you and would gleefully hear news of your violent and painful death.
Ironically, the people who want to deny adults the choice of lethal force against a culpable assailant in self-defense,
are the same people who insist on the choice of killing an innocent fetus for convenience.
Maybe the billboards should ask: "If you want the choice to kill a fetus that may inconvenience your life then why should I not have the choice to defend myself against a perpetrator who actually threatens my life."
Ok I agree but now we are all banking our self defense, in some cases livelihood, and our rights on one court. Now what happens should scotus rule in favor of the libtards? Then what? We need to plan for all possible outcomes. SCOTUS moves slower than a pregnant yak, how many other innocent gun owners are going to get stolen from, or even killed thanks to these dipshit laws before scotus acts?The same reason I like this place is the same reason we fail time and time again with the leftists
We go with reason and logic, and they go with random babble that is emotion driven by social media and the thoughts of being able to live in a utopia. (a utopia where no one works, no one says bad words, no one causes harm, everyone eats their fav food everyday, etc, etc, etc).
You (and I) will not change enough demented leftists minds to make a difference. Their logic circuit is broken. They do not realize that some people are animals and will attack, rape, kill, etc if not stopped forcefully.
The only way to win this battle correctly is to get a SCOTUS ruling along the lines of the 2A applies to 'common/typical arm of the day' and then to define an AR15 and a glock as the common/typical arm of today (and leave that door open for when future weapons become the typical arm of the day).
Then tell the leftists to go change the constitution if they want to ban common/typical arms or STFU or leave the country.
Agree. You can see what my crystal ball shows here.There are hundreds of these stories every year. The media is completely controlled by people who do not care about the truth at all, in any way. If facts mattered in this we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
The truth has been on our side for more than 50 years, and we have constantly slid backwards. You guys are on the wrong stuff with trying to educate people who hate you and would gleefully hear news of your violent and painful death.
So, what’s the game plan?
I hope it works, those of us behind enemy lines in places like commifornia are watching, learning, and rootin. We have a uphill battle here. Of course the enemy libtards across the country, are also watching and (unbelievable they have the capacity to) learning.In Virginia, it has to be:
(1) get as much of the state in 2A Sanctuary as possible
(2) pressure existing lawmakers in Richmond to stop this unconstitutional bill
(3) get a lawsuit going against Richmond
(4) turn-out to vote in Nov '20 and take back the General Assembly (oldest law-making body in the world since 1619 something - hell yeah Old Dominion!)
(4) turn-out to vote in Nov '21 for a new governor (Northam can only run for 1 term)
There is a lot of grass root activity on going out in the Virginian countryside right now. I'm very optimistic, more so than I was last week.
Ok I agree but now we are all banking our self defense, in some cases livelihood, and our rights on one court. Now what happens should scotus rule in favor of the libtards? Then what? We need to plan for all possible outcomes. SCOTUS moves slower than a pregnant yak, how many other innocent gun owners are going to get stolen from, or even killed thanks to these dipshit laws before scotus acts?
I had an interesting conversation with one of my most liberal friends via text today. He was complaining about someone bending his ear about political stuff. After a few texts, I told him July 1, I'd be a felon. He asked what the deal was and I explained it. He said "But that law hasn't passed, it'll never pass". I asked him who would stop it since there's no opposition party with a vote now. He told me there was no way that was going to happen and then said it wouldn't make sense. Told me that it wouldn't change gun violence at all because that's not the core. Went on to say the legislation needs to be working towards helping mentally troubled people if they really wanted to stop gun violence.
The most liberal guy I know, and believe me, he's out there, and he's saying this is stupid, makes no sense, and they need to leave gun owners alone and work on mental health issues.
So if the crazy liberal people think it's stupid and makes no sense, and we all think it makes no sense, exactly who's out there that thinks this makes a lot of sense?
I am going to tell you that your liberal friend is a moderate. You have not met an insane liberal extremist if the above went down as you say.
I know many insane extremists and have had more conversations with them than I care to admit. Over the years those people have turned outright angry and violent towards me, where they once just disapproved of guns, but were ok hanging out with me, that has changed. I am now a child murder in their eyes because I own an AR
FTFYYep... I've had some friends... actual real life friends... wish me and my son dead... because of guns and politics.
One wished my son would be drafted and die in a war, because.... Trump. I knew that guy for over 20 years.
The other wished me dead because I'm an NRA member (he wished ALL NRA members dead, including me, his friend of over 2 decades).
Neither is my friend anymore.
Upon hearing these stories, many have "consoled" me, or dismissed the notion that liberals are so batshit crazy that they'd wish a friend or their friend's child DEAD, by saying, "Well... they weren't really your friends, then."
False. They WERE my friends. REAL friends and professional colleagues. They were not acquaintances. So, yes...liberalsProgressives/Socialists are THAT batshit crazy and would wish DEATH upon their friends who they "discover" are not exactly like them politically.
THAT is where we are in our society today.
FTFY
Statistics? They only appeal to nerds (like me). Statistics have not likely ever convinced anyone to..... here's the kicker... CHANGE. THEIR. MINDS. Statistics won't do it. In fact, many people today REFLEXIVELY dismiss statistics. They'll even say... "Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics."
Yep... I've had some friends... actual real life friends... wish me and my son dead... because of guns and politics.
One wished my son would be drafted and die in a war, because.... Trump. I knew that guy for over 20 years.
The other wished me dead because I'm an NRA member (he wished ALL NRA members dead, including me, his friend of over 2 decades).
Neither is my friend anymore.
Upon hearing these stories, many have "consoled" me, or dismissed the notion that liberals are so batshit crazy that they'd wish a friend or their friend's child DEAD, by saying, "Well... they weren't really your friends, then."
False. They WERE my friends. REAL friends and professional colleagues. They were not acquaintances. So, yes... liberals are THAT batshit crazy and would wish DEATH upon their friends who they "discover" are not exactly like them politically.
THAT is where we are in our society today.
While true, there has to be a way to combat said manipulation and lies coming from the media, its pocketbooks, and the traitorous politicians. So if we cant side with truth, cant use facts, then what do we do? We have to do something, we cant just sit on our asses and let these pansy fucks steamroll us into oblivion. So, what’s the game plan?
Agree. You can see what my crystal ball shows here.
However, cooperating on a PR campaign or a rally would allow us to get to know each other in person and get organized for what comes down the road. VA is just the current tip of the iceberg.
That kind if division and hatred is where civil wars come from.
We are in one right now... it just hasn’t progressed to the physical violence part yet.
But it will.
Someone needs to take out billboards around the capital that show the FBI Crime Stats,
In a Country with 322M people, we have less than 500 deaths from so Assault Rifles, that should be highlighted compared to everything they ignore
I would do a buy and plaster these numbers all over the place.
We know there was twice as many knive deaths, fists, and feet, etc.