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Night Vision Voodoo S: A long term review.

jstokes1

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I've had the Pixels on Target Voodoo S for well over a year now and have taken it through the thick and thin: hunting in subzero conditions, using it with multiple firearms ranging from a Scar 17 to a PCC, hiking trips, countless predator hunts.. the list goes on.

After spending this much time with this little thermal I can now answer the question that's burning on many a minds...... is it worth the investment? Here are my findings after about 1.5 years of use. I'll try and not make this long winded and include the most relevant details (...to the best of my ability of course :D)

Collimation: as stated above, I have run this unit on many different firearms and day optics throughout the course of my ownership of this thermal. Everything from SVDs to Scars, PCCs, etc. What has been consistent is that the collimation is most definitely optical as no matter what day optic this is put in front of, the shift has been virtually zero (and if there is any shift, I didn't really notice and you can adjust for that with 3 save settings for changes in collimation). Even fidgeting with the diopter (that a lot of people said would cause issues) and playing with the FTS mount (flipping it to the side, taking the unit off, then putting it back on and shooting 1.5-2 MOA targets out to 300 yards) did not cause any noticeable shifts in POA/POI. Ahhh, the beauty of a true 1x, optically demagged unit is a force to behold. My furthest kill with it has been 217 yards, for reference. I have been VERY impressed with this aspect of the Voodoo as it actually does what it's advertised to do: be a small clip on thermal. The FOV is small enough to have decent magnification support (it will support up to 10x in my experience), while still being wide enough for handheld/HMT use. You can use it as a thermal "reddot" as well, but I haven't really used it as a dedicated TWS.


HMT/handheld use: you can't be the best at everything...but boy you can sure try. Life is compromise, and this is where that compromise is made with the voodoo. Units like the Nox 18 and the Skeet X will be better handhelds/HMT units due to the larger FOV, but the FOV is still wide enough (coming in at 15 degree horizontal) to be a great spotting unit. It works beautifully as an HMT on a dual band setup and (at least for me personally) allows for easy "both eyes open" use. The detection AND PID range is great due to the fantastic image processing software and sensitivity of the sensor. Dual banding is the primary use for me as of late. Surprisingly the more limited FOV pairs very well with a PVS 14 and the display lines up directly in the center of PVS 14's image. I prefer it for dual banding over the Skeet X.


Image quality: The image processing software is awesome. The unit produces a very detailed, smooth, realistic, and pleasant image. Detection range is very far and I can easily see coyotes coming in at 1000 yards, cows at 4-5 miles, and mountains 80+ miles away. It's easily in the top 5 thermals that I've ever looked through. Not too much more to add to this section as I have posted tons of photos and video throughout the course of time owning this thermal, so you be the judge.

Durability: I have taken this thing through everything from -30 F blizzards, to scorching heat. Never once has it failed me to start up and do it's job. I've dropped it, abused it, but it keeps on ticking. It just...works.


And for the main negative...cost: You get what you pay for. That adage applies to everything from furniture to the shoes you wear everyday. Milspec thermal is no different. "But John, why does this unit cost 17k when I can get a unit like the RH25 that does everything the voodoo s does but is 6k??". Because it doesn't do everything the Voodoo does, that's why. What you're paying for isn't just the image quality, but the construction, materials, development, DOD testing, collimation... the list goes on. That fabled (or dreaded) mil-spec label doesn't mean much when it comes to 99% of items... but it does with optics; especially electro optics. Milspec thermals are tested to go through the rigors of the theater of war; something you can truly trust your life too. Cheaply made, up charged Chyna units are not even in the same class..even if they pretend to be. Even if night optic dealers pretend it to be. If you see a dealer pushing the, "it's just as good" narrative for units like the RH25.. they are trying to sell you a lie. I've had both and they are NOT in the same class in every category. Again, if you want the best, you'll be paying for the best.

I have been blessed to play with a ton of cool toys, owned some of them, and cycled through even more. The Voodoo S though is thermal that is part of my permanent stable of tools and is here to stay for the long haul. I did own two at one point, sold one, and regretted it instantly. It does what it was made to do, does it well, and leaves everything else in the dust. It's the "do all" thermal that I was looking for when I first started this hobby and in my opinion, the best thermal out there right now in terms of usability.

Enough words, here's some photos! The difference in color is a mix of my camera settings, using jay's SNR filter, and the unit itself (one had a bluish hue and the other more brownish).

Also, here's a youtube video I shot showing transitions from my day optic (Vortex 1-10 Razor) and the Voodoo on a Wilcox FTS. Notice the collimation...not a single shift.



Hope you boys enjoy the early morning tails from your local thermal autist. Excuse any grammatical errors you might (and probably will) see. I'm sleep deprived, deal with it.
 

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I couldn’t agree more. It’s worth the cost. I sold several good items including thermals to get one and don’t miss them at all.

If someone is just a hunter and doesn’t need to trust their thermal for anything serious, the Chinese options are reasonable, as long as they keep their fudd mouth closed about “just as good”.
 
I couldn’t agree more. It’s worth the cost. I sold several good items including thermals to get one and don’t miss them at all.

If someone is just a hunter and doesn’t need to trust their thermal for anything serious, the Chinese options are reasonable, as long as they keep their fudd mouth closed about “just as good”.
I'm in complete agreement with you there brudda. Like I stated above, I've played with a ton of thermals, and not a single unit has been as usable as the Voodoo S.

I'm not trying to slander units like the RH25/similars, but when I hear the dreaded "just as good" coming from consumers AND dealers... its hard for me to keep my mouth shut. The equivalency is like comparing a 2004 Dodge Neon to a Bentley Continental.
 
I’ve been on the cusp of buying one for a while now but with them updating the Voodoo-M recently I’m a little worried about buying one and then finding out 6mo later that V2.0 is dropping and has better features. Got burned that way more than once including with thermals.
 
I’ve been on the cusp of buying one for a while now but with them updating the Voodoo-M recently I’m a little worried about buying one and then finding out 6mo later that V2.0 is dropping and has better features. Got burned that way more than once including with thermals.
I don't forsee them really changing the voodoo s line up too much based on what Dennis has said.
 
hate to be that guy to revive this thread but I'm considering a purchase of a Voodoo S or an L3 Cratos, the price point is damn close. Outside of a few thousand dollars and rarity, how does the Cratos compare to the Voodoo S (if you've had the experience with the former)
 
Not many people have them but I haven't seen asking prices that high for used Cratos units in some time. Can you get a new Cratos with a warranty? Will L3 service it for you as a civilian if you buy secondhand?
 
No idea, but i'd like to know. But in terms of my question to OP, it would more of a performance based question. Is the Voodoo S better in all around quality than the Cratos? Or does it have a lot of bells and whistles that don't warrant the additional couple grand from the cratos? If warranty and service are to play, then the Voodoo S all day since who doesn't want peace of mind. Hell, I am not even sure if the Cratos is still in production. But they sure are a cool piece to have in a collection due to rarity. But not sure if the price tag associated with them is performance based or collector based. Considering the price of high end thermals, I may just be able to get one until a few years go by.
 
@TheHorta has had a Cratos and multiple Voodoos, here's what he had to say a while back:

It was a nice piece of kit 5 years ago. Most of the higher-end commercial stuff available today produces a better image. On capabilities alone, I'd take a 60mm ReapIR or 50mm Halo-LR over the Cratos.

To me, it'd be like buying a set of used 1800 FOM GP PVS-31's over a brand new set of DTNVGs with 24UA L3 WP tubes for the same price.
Does not appear to be a ringing endorsement of buying one today.
 
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Cratos is nice, and size is nice, but it’s really for wide FOV, short range stuff. You may be able to detect moving blobs of pixels at 500+ yards, but you can’t see what it is until it’s inside 300y. For clipon use it’s good at 1-3x, nothing more.

Great unit if you shoot up close and like wide FOV. But honestly, the RH25 is better at literally everything and it has a warranty.
 
Cratos is nice, and size is nice, but it’s really for wide FOV, short range stuff. You may be able to detect moving blobs of pixels at 500+ yards, but you can’t see what it is until it’s inside 300y. For clipon use it’s good at 1-3x, nothing more.

Great unit if you shoot up close and like wide FOV. But honestly, the RH25 is better at literally everything and it has a warranty.
I guess that answers it. Get a Cratos if it's cheap, get a Voodoo S for a one and done. So... get both? lol
 
I’m currently selling one so obviously a biased reply, but I’ll add a few things that I think sets the CRATOS apart from BAE and VooDoo units. I don’t have any experience with the Chinese stuff so can’t comment on that.

Auto NUC

Not having to do any manual calibration is really nice. It’s obviously not the biggest deal in the world for the bigger clip-ons where you’re usually in a rested position, like a tripod or bipod and you can go hands off. But since the CRATOS is more of a short/medium range unit, I’ve used it on a carbine, which is light enough to pull a hand off and do a calibration but man what a PITA that would be. Hearing the little click and having it do a quick calibration whenever it needs it is sooo nice.

Auto Gain

I live in the desert and so we have a pretty wide variety of temps and thermal conditions going on at night. Having the unit adjust its gain to automatically detect the hottest and coldest spot it sees in its view and then show the thermal graduation between that (all at a fast refresh rate) is pretty nifty. Again, setting the manual gain of my BAE units is quick “enough” that I’d never describe it as a “problem”, but it’s certainly a nice convenience not to have to and get what the unit thinks is the best image every time. And the fact that you can switch it “into” manual if you prefer to use it that way just means it’s extra-capable.

Color

When I first go the CRATOS, I found the color pretty distracting and almost a “gimmick” feature. But I quickly discovered that that was only my preference for clip-on mode. With clip-on mode I prefer the nice, smooth, simple black & white image and it contrasts well with the red illuminated dot in my LPVO. But I did learn to appreciate the color in hand-held mode. As soon as you take it off and start scanning around, the color becomes a really nice feature. I’ve used it even for household tasks like tracing wire behind drywall inside my house for a remodel project and it’s just so much easier to identify stuff than with my Skeet. Yet again one of those things that isn’t a deal breaker for a unit not to have it, but really nice that it does.

Ergonomics

It’s funny to me that clearly someone at L3 actually shoots guns and figured out how to design a clip-on where you don’t have to break your firing grip in order to adjust gain/brightness or access the menu. I use this primarily on a carbine with a vertical grip (as a hand stop) and having every single control be right where my thumb would normally rest is definitely my favorite part of the CRATOS. It’s so cool to just sit there looking down the scope and make adjustments as I’m aiming. The obvious downside is L3 was like “hey left handers, fuck you”. But I’m right handed so it’s great for me. Additionally, the way you rotate the unit so the controls are again at your fingertips when in hand-held mode instead of doing a “claw” grip is yet again, brilliant. Not a “game changer” but definitely a cool little user experience improvement.

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Overall my experience with it has been incredibly positive. It’s nowhere near the range of my UTC Xii, which I can put in front of a 2.5-10 and throw on 6-8 power and really see stuff at the 500yd mark. But the downside of course with that is Xii is worthless in front of a LPVO until you get to 3.5x at minimum. The CRATOS is so cool putting in front of a LPVO, zooming all the way out to 1x and getting a full image the fills the scope window with the widest possible FOV. It really makes the “observation” with an off-hand carbine in the 0-250yd range so much better than trying to adapt a longer-range thermal for that purpose. And of course the fact that it’s so small and light makes that a reality as well.

I don’t think I’d go out and pay the $15-18k that I see them listed for often. But for half of a VooDoo, it’s been a really fun unit to shoot with.