i know from a little feild testing a few years back that vortex pronglike forked flash supressors are extremely effective at negating visible flash. as some here may already know from my various rants in the box im looking into building a .308 shorty auto and wondering what muzzle device i want on it. my question is about durability of the prongs when hot...for a high volume of fire scenario are those pronged tuning forks gonna bend into a mangled fail as soon as a ninja tard drops it or uses it to muzzle stroke a zombie in the forehead at a doorway? ive heard horror stories of birdcages melting into the bulletpath of dropped m4's from too much heat running tracer on field problems and wonder if this should be factored into what is basically a shtf weapon build. all thoughts will be apreciated yall.
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vortex flash hiders durability.
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Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
i think if you get it really hot like white hot, take a pair of pliars and bend all four prongs outward 90 degrees it would be G2G
i think if you get it really hot like white hot, take a pair of pliars and bend all four prongs outward 90 degrees it would be G2G
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
Had one on my previous EBR build and shot the piss out of it. No droops from several mag dumps of semi auto. Have one on my current EBR build as well. Have had no problems. I am getting the G6A2 Vortex on my LWRC M6A3. On a side note, where have you heard about the A2 birdcage failing? We had them on our SAW's and have melted barrels before we have ruined the flash hider. Never heard of the flash hider failing. Also, while in the Marine's I can say I have seen many a M4 and M16 get dropped on the hider or used to muzzle thump some object and never fail. I'd say that the A2 is a safe bet. The military has been using them on their weapons for years. I think if there was a serious issue with them failing they would have switched to something else long ago.
Had one on my previous EBR build and shot the piss out of it. No droops from several mag dumps of semi auto. Have one on my current EBR build as well. Have had no problems. I am getting the G6A2 Vortex on my LWRC M6A3. On a side note, where have you heard about the A2 birdcage failing? We had them on our SAW's and have melted barrels before we have ruined the flash hider. Never heard of the flash hider failing. Also, while in the Marine's I can say I have seen many a M4 and M16 get dropped on the hider or used to muzzle thump some object and never fail. I'd say that the A2 is a safe bet. The military has been using them on their weapons for years. I think if there was a serious issue with them failing they would have switched to something else long ago.
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
AAC makes essentially the same thing for there suppressor mount and its full auto rated as well I think it will be fine.
AAC makes essentially the same thing for there suppressor mount and its full auto rated as well I think it will be fine.
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigBoss0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Had one on my previous EBR build and shot the piss out of it. No droops from several mag dumps of semi auto. Have one on my current EBR build as well. Have had no problems. I am getting the G6A2 Vortex on my LWRC M6A3. On a side note, where have you heard about the A2 birdcage failing? We had them on our SAW's and have melted barrels before we have ruined the flash hider. Never heard of the flash hider failing. Also, while in the Marine's I can say I have seen many a M4 and M16 get dropped on the hider or used to muzzle thump some object and never fail. I'd say that the A2 is a safe bet. The military has been using them on their weapons for years. I think if there was a serious issue with them failing they would have switched to something else long ago. </div></div>
maybe the op i talked to was saying the barrel bent not the a2, i dont remeber but the point was that these things get hot and when they do theyre prone to damage from drops and bumps and the vortex looks like a somewhat vulnerable design. just wondered if anyone had bent one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigBoss0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Had one on my previous EBR build and shot the piss out of it. No droops from several mag dumps of semi auto. Have one on my current EBR build as well. Have had no problems. I am getting the G6A2 Vortex on my LWRC M6A3. On a side note, where have you heard about the A2 birdcage failing? We had them on our SAW's and have melted barrels before we have ruined the flash hider. Never heard of the flash hider failing. Also, while in the Marine's I can say I have seen many a M4 and M16 get dropped on the hider or used to muzzle thump some object and never fail. I'd say that the A2 is a safe bet. The military has been using them on their weapons for years. I think if there was a serious issue with them failing they would have switched to something else long ago. </div></div>
maybe the op i talked to was saying the barrel bent not the a2, i dont remeber but the point was that these things get hot and when they do theyre prone to damage from drops and bumps and the vortex looks like a somewhat vulnerable design. just wondered if anyone had bent one.
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i think if you get it really hot like white hot, take a pair of pliars and bend all four prongs outward 90 degrees it would be G2G </div></div>
would that increase the flash hiding effectiveness?lol.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i think if you get it really hot like white hot, take a pair of pliars and bend all four prongs outward 90 degrees it would be G2G </div></div>
would that increase the flash hiding effectiveness?lol.
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
I've dropped a few vortex equipped barrels....never bent a prong. Thats hard ass steel, and they are real thick...if you manage to break one I want to see a pic of it.
I've dropped a few vortex equipped barrels....never bent a prong. Thats hard ass steel, and they are real thick...if you manage to break one I want to see a pic of it.
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
I would think the amount of force needed to bend one of these would be enormous. I mean, this design is used on M240's, SAW's, and M2HB's. I'm pretty sure they can take a beating.
I would think the amount of force needed to bend one of these would be enormous. I mean, this design is used on M240's, SAW's, and M2HB's. I'm pretty sure they can take a beating.
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
I say you'll be fine with the Vortex.
If you one day end up in a situation where you're dumping mags endlessly and that vortex/barrel gets glowing red hot, then you happen to drop the rifle or muzzle a zombie and the vortex bends... then you were not destined to survive anyway. haha, jk.
I say you'll be fine with the Vortex.
If you one day end up in a situation where you're dumping mags endlessly and that vortex/barrel gets glowing red hot, then you happen to drop the rifle or muzzle a zombie and the vortex bends... then you were not destined to survive anyway. haha, jk.
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
thanks guys. as usual im probably over thinking things again.
thanks guys. as usual im probably over thinking things again.
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
I have bent a A2 birdcage, shot a combat load plus of tracer 1-5 mix during a Table 12 at Ft. Hood in my M4, the barrel got white hot and then I slammed it on the back of a Bradley ramp during re mount, it made the cage an oval shape in the business end but didnt effect the ability to shoot. Carried that same gun for 4 more years after that while I was there
I have bent a A2 birdcage, shot a combat load plus of tracer 1-5 mix during a Table 12 at Ft. Hood in my M4, the barrel got white hot and then I slammed it on the back of a Bradley ramp during re mount, it made the cage an oval shape in the business end but didnt effect the ability to shoot. Carried that same gun for 4 more years after that while I was there
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
You could always look at the Primary Weapons option as well...
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An in the zombie scenario I think ya could prolly outrun the "fluffy" guy in the demo. If need be so that would also buy ya a few extra seconds...
You could always look at the Primary Weapons option as well...
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An in the zombie scenario I think ya could prolly outrun the "fluffy" guy in the demo. If need be so that would also buy ya a few extra seconds...
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
the vortex flash hiders are extremely durable.. both of my work weapons have them on them.. training drills 7-8 mags then use them to push open doors, break windows, etc.. weapons have been dropped.. nothing..
as for the a2 flash hider durability, i have never seen them get messed up.. my time in the corp they got used and abused.. never got messed up..
and yes the vortex flash hiders work amazing.. night fire vortex vs a2.. vortex wins hands down..
the vortex flash hiders are extremely durable.. both of my work weapons have them on them.. training drills 7-8 mags then use them to push open doors, break windows, etc.. weapons have been dropped.. nothing..
as for the a2 flash hider durability, i have never seen them get messed up.. my time in the corp they got used and abused.. never got messed up..
and yes the vortex flash hiders work amazing.. night fire vortex vs a2.. vortex wins hands down..
Re: vortex flash hiders durability.
I use SEI's DC Vortex on my semi auto M14s and my 7.62 AKM.
I've never experienced a single problem and my M14DC 0.30 caliber
sound suppressor fits the DC Vortex tightly and functions perfectly.
I use SEI's DC Vortex on my semi auto M14s and my 7.62 AKM.
I've never experienced a single problem and my M14DC 0.30 caliber
sound suppressor fits the DC Vortex tightly and functions perfectly.
