I'm wanting feedback from someone who has both. Turns out, NF scopes aren't for me and I just sold one. I don't want to make the same mistake of buying one and not being happy with it. My problem with the NF is the resolution and higher magnifications.
Rifle Scopes Vortex Razor and NF
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Re: Vortex Razor and NF
Wow, you may get a fight here, not to many of us who own NF dislike them. To get great resolution at higher powers it takes good glass, yes there is better, but a whole bunch of them worse! I have shot the Razors, and the S&B's, and I wouldn't trade my F1 for either.
Wow, you may get a fight here, not to many of us who own NF dislike them. To get great resolution at higher powers it takes good glass, yes there is better, but a whole bunch of them worse! I have shot the Razors, and the S&B's, and I wouldn't trade my F1 for either.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
I've used a Razor HD before and really liked it but I'm not sure that it has better resolution or clarity than a NF. Maybe a little but honestly if you want a scope with markedly better glass than a NF you need to spend for a S&B or Zeiss.
I've used a Razor HD before and really liked it but I'm not sure that it has better resolution or clarity than a NF. Maybe a little but honestly if you want a scope with markedly better glass than a NF you need to spend for a S&B or Zeiss.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
I have a Razor and have shot NXS side by side. I put the glass as pretty close, but different. I prefer the color and contrast of the Razor over the NXS, but there are several who are just the opposite.
If you werent happy with the RESOLUTION (meaning the ability to see small things) then I suggest you just step up to the S&B scopes. I have compared them to the others, and there is a reason they cost what they do. I would have one (or several) if I was on an unlimited budget.
I have a Razor and have shot NXS side by side. I put the glass as pretty close, but different. I prefer the color and contrast of the Razor over the NXS, but there are several who are just the opposite.
If you werent happy with the RESOLUTION (meaning the ability to see small things) then I suggest you just step up to the S&B scopes. I have compared them to the others, and there is a reason they cost what they do. I would have one (or several) if I was on an unlimited budget.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
While I've seen better glass on the nicer German optics, I have to say that when it comes down to all the features and price, the Nightforce is hard to beat.
If I wanted to spend the extra $1k, I would get the S&B. I didn't care much for the Razor. At higher magnification, the eye relief was not that great. I had to keep my head in a perfect position.
While I've seen better glass on the nicer German optics, I have to say that when it comes down to all the features and price, the Nightforce is hard to beat.
If I wanted to spend the extra $1k, I would get the S&B. I didn't care much for the Razor. At higher magnification, the eye relief was not that great. I had to keep my head in a perfect position.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
Interesting thread. I consider myself VERY picky and fancy myself an optics connoisseur. I have an NF NXS 8-32x56 and an SB PMII 5-25x56. Comparing the two side by side on the same power setting, I find it very, very tough to choose between them. Call me crazy. The SB has slightly better brightness and contrast but its close. The SB has slightly better resolution towards the outboard edges of the image. My verdict? NF gets you 95%+ the way to an SB in terms of glass alone. I do however HATE how the entire ocular twists on the NF when changing power. I dont like bikini covers but am forced to use them with the NF.
My partner just got a razor and his rings arrive tomorrow guaranteed. We'll be at the range tomorrow afternoon to put it through its paces alongside my NF, SB and a Leupold....
More to follow...
Interesting thread. I consider myself VERY picky and fancy myself an optics connoisseur. I have an NF NXS 8-32x56 and an SB PMII 5-25x56. Comparing the two side by side on the same power setting, I find it very, very tough to choose between them. Call me crazy. The SB has slightly better brightness and contrast but its close. The SB has slightly better resolution towards the outboard edges of the image. My verdict? NF gets you 95%+ the way to an SB in terms of glass alone. I do however HATE how the entire ocular twists on the NF when changing power. I dont like bikini covers but am forced to use them with the NF.
My partner just got a razor and his rings arrive tomorrow guaranteed. We'll be at the range tomorrow afternoon to put it through its paces alongside my NF, SB and a Leupold....
More to follow...
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting thread. I consider myself VERY picky and fancy myself an optics connoisseur. I have an NF NXS 8-32x56 and an SB PMII 5-25x56. Comparing the two side by side on the same power setting, I find it very, very tough to choose between them. Call me crazy. The SB has slightly better brightness and contrast but its close. The SB has slightly better resolution towards the outboard edges of the image. My verdict? NF gets you 95%+ the way to an SB in terms of glass alone. I do however HATE how the entire ocular twists on the NF when changing power. I dont like bikini covers but am forced to use them with the NF.
My partner just got a razor and his rings arrive tomorrow guaranteed. We'll be at the range tomorrow afternoon to put it through its paces alongside my NF, SB and a Leupold....
More to follow... </div></div>
waiting impatiently....I should add the fact if another 1k (I'm not made out of money) will provide what I'm seeking, then so be it. Also, my xp with NF CS wasn't great ( they lost a customer for life)....NF doesn't have much competition in the $1500-2000 range...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting thread. I consider myself VERY picky and fancy myself an optics connoisseur. I have an NF NXS 8-32x56 and an SB PMII 5-25x56. Comparing the two side by side on the same power setting, I find it very, very tough to choose between them. Call me crazy. The SB has slightly better brightness and contrast but its close. The SB has slightly better resolution towards the outboard edges of the image. My verdict? NF gets you 95%+ the way to an SB in terms of glass alone. I do however HATE how the entire ocular twists on the NF when changing power. I dont like bikini covers but am forced to use them with the NF.
My partner just got a razor and his rings arrive tomorrow guaranteed. We'll be at the range tomorrow afternoon to put it through its paces alongside my NF, SB and a Leupold....
More to follow... </div></div>
waiting impatiently....I should add the fact if another 1k (I'm not made out of money) will provide what I'm seeking, then so be it. Also, my xp with NF CS wasn't great ( they lost a customer for life)....NF doesn't have much competition in the $1500-2000 range...
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
If you are not looking at going above 15 power in a scope a good 1 to look at is the Premier Light Tactical. I received 1 not long ago and it is a super scope built like a tank. It is right their in the price as a F1 but you are limited to only 15 power and 2 choices in a tactical reticle.
If you are not looking at going above 15 power in a scope a good 1 to look at is the Premier Light Tactical. I received 1 not long ago and it is a super scope built like a tank. It is right their in the price as a F1 but you are limited to only 15 power and 2 choices in a tactical reticle.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I should add the fact if another 1k (I'm not made out of money)</div></div>
When I was fantasizing about a S&B PM2 the prices I was finding were around 2500 for the 4-16 single turn and 2800 for the 5-25 (shop around, make some calls). So it's not 1k more than retail but depending on what you get for your used NF it may be 1k beyond that.
After reading about Liberty Optics' adventure I don't think I'd go Premier. I understand that MAP is a reality for all companies out there but that was just plain low.......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I should add the fact if another 1k (I'm not made out of money)</div></div>
When I was fantasizing about a S&B PM2 the prices I was finding were around 2500 for the 4-16 single turn and 2800 for the 5-25 (shop around, make some calls). So it's not 1k more than retail but depending on what you get for your used NF it may be 1k beyond that.
After reading about Liberty Optics' adventure I don't think I'd go Premier. I understand that MAP is a reality for all companies out there but that was just plain low.......
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
I would never do business with Premier after what they did to Liberty Optics
I would never do business with Premier after what they did to Liberty Optics
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would never do business with Premier after what they did to Liberty Optics </div></div>
Not this again. Liberty Optics broke a set of rules that they were fully aware of. Everyone that deals with Premier was aware of their stance and informed, in writing, of their position.
Scott thought he deserved some leeway in bending the rules and Premier thought he didn't. At the end of the day you can't be mad because you broke a rule you are fully aware of, got caught, and got in trouble for it.
So can we stop the idiotic "I'll never do business with Premier because what they did to Scott.....blah, blah, blah." The fact of the matter is LO violated their dealer agreement and got their account suspended.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would never do business with Premier after what they did to Liberty Optics </div></div>
Not this again. Liberty Optics broke a set of rules that they were fully aware of. Everyone that deals with Premier was aware of their stance and informed, in writing, of their position.
Scott thought he deserved some leeway in bending the rules and Premier thought he didn't. At the end of the day you can't be mad because you broke a rule you are fully aware of, got caught, and got in trouble for it.
So can we stop the idiotic "I'll never do business with Premier because what they did to Scott.....blah, blah, blah." The fact of the matter is LO violated their dealer agreement and got their account suspended.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
BTW the Light Tactical is awesome, great glass, and lightweight. If you want something less expensive I got the new SWFA 5-20 and it's fantastic for the price point.
SC
BTW the Light Tactical is awesome, great glass, and lightweight. If you want something less expensive I got the new SWFA 5-20 and it's fantastic for the price point.
SC
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting thread. I consider myself VERY picky and fancy myself an optics connoisseur. I have an NF NXS 8-32x56 and an SB PMII 5-25x56. Comparing the two side by side on the same power setting, I find it very, very tough to choose between them. Call me crazy. The SB has slightly better brightness and contrast but its close. The SB has slightly better resolution towards the outboard edges of the image. My verdict? NF gets you 95%+ the way to an SB in terms of glass alone. I do however HATE how the entire ocular twists on the NF when changing power. I dont like bikini covers but am forced to use them with the NF.
My partner just got a razor and his rings arrive tomorrow guaranteed. We'll be at the range tomorrow afternoon to put it through its paces alongside my NF, SB and a Leupold....
More to follow... </div></div>
waiting impatiently....I should add the fact if another 1k (I'm not made out of money) will provide what I'm seeking, then so be it. Also, my xp with NF CS wasn't great ( they lost a customer for life)....NF doesn't have much competition in the $1500-2000 range... </div></div> Yes they do, IOR.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting thread. I consider myself VERY picky and fancy myself an optics connoisseur. I have an NF NXS 8-32x56 and an SB PMII 5-25x56. Comparing the two side by side on the same power setting, I find it very, very tough to choose between them. Call me crazy. The SB has slightly better brightness and contrast but its close. The SB has slightly better resolution towards the outboard edges of the image. My verdict? NF gets you 95%+ the way to an SB in terms of glass alone. I do however HATE how the entire ocular twists on the NF when changing power. I dont like bikini covers but am forced to use them with the NF.
My partner just got a razor and his rings arrive tomorrow guaranteed. We'll be at the range tomorrow afternoon to put it through its paces alongside my NF, SB and a Leupold....
More to follow... </div></div>
waiting impatiently....I should add the fact if another 1k (I'm not made out of money) will provide what I'm seeking, then so be it. Also, my xp with NF CS wasn't great ( they lost a customer for life)....NF doesn't have much competition in the $1500-2000 range... </div></div> Yes they do, IOR.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SierraCharlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would never do business with Premier after what they did to Liberty Optics </div></div>
Not this again. Liberty Optics broke a set of rules that they were fully aware of. Everyone that deals with Premier was aware of their stance and informed, in writing, of their position.
Scott thought he deserved some leeway in bending the rules and Premier thought he didn't. At the end of the day you can't be because you broke a rule you are fully aware of, got caught, and got in trouble for it.
So can we stop the idiotic "I'll never do business with Premier because what they did to Scott.....blah, blah, blah." The fact of the matter is LO violated their dealer agreementand got their account suspended. </div></div>
most of us here support site vendors and when premier suspends them for keeping some extra coin in my pocket that is reason enough for me to not do business with them
the razor seems to be pretty clear all the way through the power range but if i were to pay full price for one or the other at full retail the HS ZS nightforce is the way i would go due to the bulletproof reliability and construction
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SierraCharlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would never do business with Premier after what they did to Liberty Optics </div></div>
Not this again. Liberty Optics broke a set of rules that they were fully aware of. Everyone that deals with Premier was aware of their stance and informed, in writing, of their position.
Scott thought he deserved some leeway in bending the rules and Premier thought he didn't. At the end of the day you can't be because you broke a rule you are fully aware of, got caught, and got in trouble for it.
So can we stop the idiotic "I'll never do business with Premier because what they did to Scott.....blah, blah, blah." The fact of the matter is LO violated their dealer agreementand got their account suspended. </div></div>
most of us here support site vendors and when premier suspends them for keeping some extra coin in my pocket that is reason enough for me to not do business with them
the razor seems to be pretty clear all the way through the power range but if i were to pay full price for one or the other at full retail the HS ZS nightforce is the way i would go due to the bulletproof reliability and construction
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
I have both. IMO, the NXS is the clear winner.(pun intended) I dont dislike the Razor at all, but at a heads comp at 15x the multiple F1s I own are noticeably clearer. The parralax adjustment seems ascew, With that said the Razor tracks PERFECTLY, and holds zero like a champ. Some minor fixes an Id have a few more of em, but they would never replace a F1. IMO, the F1 with the MLR2 reticle is as close to perfection in a tactical riflescope as one can get.
I have both. IMO, the NXS is the clear winner.(pun intended) I dont dislike the Razor at all, but at a heads comp at 15x the multiple F1s I own are noticeably clearer. The parralax adjustment seems ascew, With that said the Razor tracks PERFECTLY, and holds zero like a champ. Some minor fixes an Id have a few more of em, but they would never replace a F1. IMO, the F1 with the MLR2 reticle is as close to perfection in a tactical riflescope as one can get.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1shot2kill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SierraCharlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would never do business with Premier after what they did to Liberty Optics </div></div>
Not this again. Liberty Optics broke a set of rules that they were fully aware of. Everyone that deals with Premier was aware of their stance and informed, in writing, of their position.
Scott thought he deserved some leeway in bending the rules and Premier thought he didn't. At the end of the day you can't be because you broke a rule you are fully aware of, got caught, and got in trouble for it.
So can we stop the idiotic "I'll never do business with Premier because what they did to Scott.....blah, blah, blah." The fact of the matter is LO violated their dealer agreementand got their account suspended. </div></div>
most of us here support site vendors and when premier suspends them for keeping some extra coin in my pocket that is reason enough for me to not do business with them
the razor seems to be pretty clear all the way through the power range but if i were to pay full price for one or the other at full retail the HS ZS nightforce is the way i would go due to the bulletproof reliability and construction </div></div>
This is my last comment as Flynn's thread is not the place for this but if I recall correctly LO has been in trouble with Vortex for Map violations so you'd better cross them off the list.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1shot2kill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SierraCharlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would never do business with Premier after what they did to Liberty Optics </div></div>
Not this again. Liberty Optics broke a set of rules that they were fully aware of. Everyone that deals with Premier was aware of their stance and informed, in writing, of their position.
Scott thought he deserved some leeway in bending the rules and Premier thought he didn't. At the end of the day you can't be because you broke a rule you are fully aware of, got caught, and got in trouble for it.
So can we stop the idiotic "I'll never do business with Premier because what they did to Scott.....blah, blah, blah." The fact of the matter is LO violated their dealer agreementand got their account suspended. </div></div>
most of us here support site vendors and when premier suspends them for keeping some extra coin in my pocket that is reason enough for me to not do business with them
the razor seems to be pretty clear all the way through the power range but if i were to pay full price for one or the other at full retail the HS ZS nightforce is the way i would go due to the bulletproof reliability and construction </div></div>
This is my last comment as Flynn's thread is not the place for this but if I recall correctly LO has been in trouble with Vortex for Map violations so you'd better cross them off the list.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SierraCharlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1shot2kill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SierraCharlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would never do business with Premier after what they did to Liberty Optics </div></div>
Not this again. Liberty Optics broke a set of rules that they were fully aware of. Everyone that deals with Premier was aware of their stance and informed, in writing, of their position.
Scott thought he deserved some leeway in bending the rules and Premier thought he didn't. At the end of the day you can't be because you broke a rule you are fully aware of, got caught, and got in trouble for it.
So can we stop the idiotic "I'll never do business with Premier because what they did to Scott.....blah, blah, blah." The fact of the matter is LO violated their dealer agreementand got their account suspended. </div></div>
most of us here support site vendors and when premier suspends them for keeping some extra coin in my pocket that is reason enough for me to not do business with them
the razor seems to be pretty clear all the way through the power range but if i were to pay full price for one or the other at full retail the HS ZS nightforce is the way i would go due to the bulletproof reliability and construction </div></div>
This is my last comment as Flynn's thread is not the place for this but if I recall correctly LO has been in trouble with Vortex for Map violations so you'd better cross them off the list. </div></div>
How is the "optics discussion forum" not the right place for this thread? I'm merely looking for alternatives to the NF in the NF price range.
Never mind, I figured out the context of the post..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SierraCharlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1shot2kill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SierraCharlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Truckman11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would never do business with Premier after what they did to Liberty Optics </div></div>
Not this again. Liberty Optics broke a set of rules that they were fully aware of. Everyone that deals with Premier was aware of their stance and informed, in writing, of their position.
Scott thought he deserved some leeway in bending the rules and Premier thought he didn't. At the end of the day you can't be because you broke a rule you are fully aware of, got caught, and got in trouble for it.
So can we stop the idiotic "I'll never do business with Premier because what they did to Scott.....blah, blah, blah." The fact of the matter is LO violated their dealer agreementand got their account suspended. </div></div>
most of us here support site vendors and when premier suspends them for keeping some extra coin in my pocket that is reason enough for me to not do business with them
the razor seems to be pretty clear all the way through the power range but if i were to pay full price for one or the other at full retail the HS ZS nightforce is the way i would go due to the bulletproof reliability and construction </div></div>
This is my last comment as Flynn's thread is not the place for this but if I recall correctly LO has been in trouble with Vortex for Map violations so you'd better cross them off the list. </div></div>
How is the "optics discussion forum" not the right place for this thread? I'm merely looking for alternatives to the NF in the NF price range.
Never mind, I figured out the context of the post..
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
Capabilities/features-wise - IMHO Razor HD wins hands down.
Quality-wise - I'm happy with my Razor but have zero experience with NF, so can't compare.
Capabilities/features-wise - IMHO Razor HD wins hands down.
Quality-wise - I'm happy with my Razor but have zero experience with NF, so can't compare.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
I own several of both NF and Vortex and I love both. For me a lot has to do with the area and temp that I am shooting in. It may just be my eyes but NF seems to do very well out west in high dry altitudes and Vortex works great in low hot humid areas.
I own several of both NF and Vortex and I love both. For me a lot has to do with the area and temp that I am shooting in. It may just be my eyes but NF seems to do very well out west in high dry altitudes and Vortex works great in low hot humid areas.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
I have both the NF and IOR and think the IOR has a slight edge in terms of glass. Having said that I really like the NF scope a lot.
I have both the NF and IOR and think the IOR has a slight edge in terms of glass. Having said that I really like the NF scope a lot.
Re: Vortex Razor and NF
I own both. Razor is the winner on optics and engineering/features. Razor is a bit bulkier, but very much worth it IMO. Future purchases will be Razors.
I own both. Razor is the winner on optics and engineering/features. Razor is a bit bulkier, but very much worth it IMO. Future purchases will be Razors.
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