Thanks a lot! It is setting in to a Keg Bravo. I will run down a 4001.
for reference, while it’s not a gen2 razor, it does have a 56mm objective lol you’ll have plenty of room with the sp 4001 and some adjustability on the cheek rest.
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^^^^^^^In preparation for barreling a few V-22S actions toward the end of this week, I slugged, yes, you read that correctly, I slugged two Muller barrels alongside a few Vudoo/Ace barrels today. Oh my....
MB
I think we are all dying to hear the full report. You can't do that to us in our fragile state.
Please give us a look at what the Bench Rest stocks are going to look like.
Mike,So, after reviewing a few things from my time in the lab yesterday, I won't be using the two Muller barrels, marked A&B, for the V-22S builds next week. Instead, I'll be using a Vudoo/Ace and a really nice Shilen Ratchet. I'll take a good look at the Muller C&D samples when they arrive to see if Muller will be viable for what I have planned going forward.
MB
I had a JP LRP-07 & the barrel was not centered in the handguard on that. Not exactly apples to apples, but I hear what you're saying.Ok trying to decide..ax or the JP. On the pictures it looks like the barrel on the JP is not centered floating with the hand guards? Anyone confirm if that is correct or not. Planning to put a larger can on rifle (9mm) for the looks, but if it isn’t centered that would make my OCD tick off forever...
I had a JP LRP-07 & the barrel was not centered in the handguard on that. Not exactly apples to apples, but I hear what you're saying.
Same setup here. Got my Vudoo BA and Bravo last week. A419 had a delay with their TT Diamond trigger order, so still waiting on my trigger to arrive.Starting the paperwork on mine tomorrow! Setting it in to a KRG Bravo that is already here. Fingers crossed no hiccups with the TT Diamond.
This past January, I visited the Lapua Test Center in Ohio, which had recently opened. In discussions with the person that performs the testing, there are three rifle types that he consistently tests at the new facility. Custom BR Stiller-action rifles, Vudoo/Anschutz 54 action rifles and other brands. He told me that what he typically sees for 10 shot group sizes on these groups of rifles once they find a good lot of ammunition, is as follows:Finally, it's finished and in hand! 18" MTUish contour, Trigger Tech, McMillan A3-5, Vudoo DBM. First day results, Wolf Match Extra is a no go. Won't chamber 70% of the time. Tried it in all 04 of my mags. Switched to SK of various runs and Lapua of various runs. Feeding issue resolved! Switched back to Wolf at 600rds, again, no go. So Lapua and SK only so far. Will continue to try the Wolf as I put more rounds down range.
Wondering how much the Lapua testing facility will benefit the precision? Experiences? Thanks.
This past January, I visited the Lapua Test Center in Ohio, which had recently opened. In discussions with the person that performs the testing, there are three rifle types that he consistently tests at the new facility. Custom BR Stiller-action rifles, Vudoo/Anschutz 54 action rifles and other brands. He told me that what he typically sees for 10 shot group sizes on these groups of rifles once they find a good lot of ammunition, is as follows:
- Custom Stiller Rifles - less than 13mm group size, center to center
- Vudoo/Anschutz 54 Action - 13-15mm group size, center to center
- Other brands of rifles - 16mm and up in group size, center to center
So, I suggest you try your ammo, 3-5 (10 shot) groups, and see where you are relative to these these measurements. If you have a lot that works well in your rifle, and gives you groups at or below the group sizes listed above, you may not benefit from a visit. If you're not shooting at those group sizes, then you might find a lot that works better than what you're shooting now, if you make the visit.
Another consideration if you send your rifle, or make the trip yourself with your rifle,
1) be prepared to make a purchase of several bricks, if not cases of ammo, if you find one that shoots small groups, or
2) be prepared to purchase some bricks of the lot that shoots well, but you will need to develop a process to test new lots of ammo that you will need when you start to get low on inventory of your tested lot. This involves buying a box of two of several lots, and then shooting groups with them (5 or 10 shot groups) and compare with the current lot you are shooting. If you find one that works as good or better than your current lot, then buy the new lot to replace the one you're shooting when you run out of inventory. One alternative to doing your own testing might be to send your rifle in for testing every year, and purchase the lot that works best in sufficient quantity to last you for a year.
Something to think about. I hope this helps!
Nice, assuming you did the paint job on the Bravo. Nice job! Did you tape off the alum. backbone, or remove it before painting?
I got my rifle in February and it will not chamber Eley ammo well either. This really stinks since I have about 6k rounds of Eley ammo. It is a little better since I got it but I still wouldn’t consider using Eley ammo in a match. Right now I’m stuck with SK/Lapua ammo which I don‘t care for. I’m hoping that as I shoot the rifle more I will be able to feed Eley ammo. When Eley chambers correctly it shoots great you just need to really slam the bolt home to get it to chamber. For now I will keep shooing my Tikka in competition since it will chamber Eley ammo flawlessly.
Good to know. Will use those in my Tikka then.I've read the V22 chamber was designed fo SK/Lapua ammo. I think Eley and CCI SV was the longest overall length of any bullet I measured, might explain why it's hard to close the bolt. It's probably pushing the lead into the rifling.
Looks great! I might have to venture out to the hardwares store for paint. Did you clear coat it after painting? I'm waiting on my TT Diamond to arrive from warranty replacement (the safety stuck in the safe position), it was shipped yesterday. Athlon 10-40x56 should arrive Friday. Slowly getting there, and the range opens Saturday. Hopefully, I get to shoot it next week.
Were these group sizes at 50m or 100m?This past January, I visited the Lapua Test Center in Ohio, which had recently opened. In discussions with the person that performs the testing, there are three rifle types that he consistently tests at the new facility. Custom BR Stiller-action rifles, Vudoo/Anschutz 54 action rifles and other brands. He told me that what he typically sees for 10 shot group sizes on these groups of rifles once they find a good lot of ammunition, is as follows:
- Custom Stiller Rifles - less than 13mm group size, center to center
- Vudoo/Anschutz 54 Action - 13-15mm group size, center to center
- Other brands of rifles - 16mm and up in group size, center to center
So, I suggest you try your ammo, 3-5 (10 shot) groups, and see where you are relative to these these measurements. If you have a lot that works well in your rifle, and gives you groups at or below the group sizes listed above, you may not benefit from a visit. If you're not shooting at those group sizes, then you might find a lot that works better than what you're shooting now, if you make the visit.
Another consideration if you send your rifle, or make the trip yourself with your rifle,
1) be prepared to make a purchase of several bricks, if not cases of ammo, if you find one that shoots small groups, or
2) be prepared to purchase some bricks of the lot that shoots well, but you will need to develop a process to test new lots of ammo that you will need when you start to get low on inventory of your tested lot. This involves buying a box of two of several lots, and then shooting groups with them (5 or 10 shot groups) and compare with the current lot you are shooting. If you find one that works as good or better than your current lot, then buy the new lot to replace the one you're shooting when you run out of inventory. One alternative to doing your own testing might be to send your rifle in for testing every year, and purchase the lot that works best in sufficient quantity to last you for a year.
Something to think about. I hope this helps!
Those numbers are for 50m...Were these group sizes at 50m or 100m?
Ok, you're right, but you guys have been quiet today so I had to wake you up and get the curiosity stirred a bit.
First, the Muller barrels I have on-hand are marked A and B, both are 5R and both are 16 twist. As agreed, Dan and Paul are keeping it a secret which ones are cut and which are button. Barrels C and D are enroute.
As I do with all projects, I create an outline that I test against and the V-22S project as it relates to BR and F-Class is no different. Parallel to the outline is a control. So, I've logged the findings of slugging barrels A & B today and I know where I'm going to cut them. I've also developed a theory about whether they're cut or button, but I won't focus on that as the outcome has to be results driven.
Now that all that's out of the way, what I see today is a lot of variation in the bore of both Muller blanks and they'll be cut at differing lengths, whereas the Vudoo/Ace barrels are as they've been from the beginning; incredibly consistent along the length of the bore.
To be continued fellas and thanks for letting me mess with you a little today.
MB
I assume that we will get a equally honest and through report on Muller barrels "C" and "D". ???
Sorry, good question. These results were for 50M.Were these group sizes at 50m or 100m?
Good catch. The groups sizes are edge to edge, not center to center. Thanks for catching my error!I thought the test center measured outside to outside, not center to center?
I have had some of my best groups with cheap eley and CCI SV (but only after 1000 or so rounds to loosen it up.) Definitely feel the lead engaging. A buddy's was far too tight. He sent it back for inspection. I hope it's a shooter when it returnsI've read the V22 chamber was designed fo SK/Lapua ammo. I think Eley and CCI SV was the longest overall length of any bullet I measured, might explain why it's hard to close the bolt. It's probably pushing the lead into the rifling.
No sir, sorry for the confusion, but they did not slug well. My assessment was that A&B are button, which was confirmed via email from Muller.I’m confused. Barrels A and B slugged well but didn’t shoot Lapua? You still don’t know if they were button or cut rifled?