Thanks, that's what I thought about the AICS holders but was wondering if there might be other options.
Vudoo Gun Works V-22 Rimfire Bolt Action
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I got mine from Aaron at A&J Sporting. He didn't have them on the website, but had them. Don't remember the brand.
I have been buying since I ordered my Vudoo in Jan. When I saw it I bought it. Last case I bought was 2 months ago Late Feb or Early March. I just keep looking.
I like these from walsh.Any recommendations for a Vudoo mag holder? I think I need to upgrade from my cargo pocket.
WCD Vudoo/Bergara B14/Rim X Kydex Mag Holster ***Made to Order*** — Walsh Custom Defense
Our WCD Vudoo/B14/RimX Kydex Mag Holsters are custom made and are designed to be used with Vudoo, Bergara B14 and Rim X 22 LR magazines. Each holster has an open bottom with a rubber stop which keeps the ammunition protected inside of the holster, fully adjustable tension and comes with a 1.5” or
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Most of the folks at our match run these - https://www.shortactionprecision.co...-magazine-holster?_pos=1&_sid=1f3113754&_ss=r
Unfortunately they look sold out right now but they're solid.
I run Zero Compromise ZC527 on both my PRS and Vudoo rifles. I had a Razor Gen II, but the parallax at 25yds was a bit blurry (Parallax on Gen II starts at 32 yds but I tried to push it). LOVE the ZC527 reticle, especially for the 22LR stuff, parallax down to 25yds, and the glass is crystal clear.
With all the activity in rimfire world since the launch of the original V-22 and more recently, two new three lug platforms, many that are newer to the rimfire disciplines have joined us to enjoy a pretty incredible set of shooting opportunities. With this, there are many questions, comments, discoveries, etc., to be shared, so I've started a new page on IG called Vudoo Labs (@vudoo_labs).
On this page, I'll be sharing info related to ongoing projects, troubleshooting of various rimfire intricacies, etc. One topic in particular is related to individual results/outcomes at ammunition test facilities and the conversation is based on actually being at the facilities and providing my own follow-up testing/diagnoses.
I'll also share some of the same info here, but not at the level of detail found on the Vudoo Labs IG page.
MB
On this page, I'll be sharing info related to ongoing projects, troubleshooting of various rimfire intricacies, etc. One topic in particular is related to individual results/outcomes at ammunition test facilities and the conversation is based on actually being at the facilities and providing my own follow-up testing/diagnoses.
I'll also share some of the same info here, but not at the level of detail found on the Vudoo Labs IG page.
MB
Showing my ignorance - what is an IG page and how do I get to it?
Create an account or log in to Instagram - Share what you're into with the people who get you.
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Where is everyone getting their .22 ammo?
Center X & SK standard + if possible
Center X & SK standard + if possible
Where to get ammo now post
Champions Choice has Center X and Five types of SK right now, but you have to call.
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Spoon feed just for you
it’ll be done when the AT-X chassis’s are done as I don’t see elite sand looking good with the Manners Saltwater camo lol
History is a pretty awesome thing. As I've looked back over the course of this thread that's been going since August 2017, I've thought about what's next....what follows the Vudoo Three60 Action? But then it struck me....I thought to myself, "well, let's take a look at where it all started." So I went to my office and pulled out the original RAVAGE Rifle. I've not shot this thing for about a year and was suddenly compelled to take it with me on an upcoming trip to MT, where I lay waste to gophers for about a week.
Knowing I had to go to the range today to finish off some testing on a V-22 that was exhibiting sensitivity issues, I decided to take it along to see where it's shooting and OMG! This. Thing. Shoots! I believe a few are already aware, but in case you're not, this is the very first Remington 40X that I converted to test the new magazines way back in the day. It's hand built from parts that I designed and as I recall, I hand made most of the DBM (all manual machining). It's also the rifle that forced me to realize that I'd need to design my own chamber which, to this day, is used in every Vudoo V-22 build shipped from St. George. This rifle originally had a Winchester 52D chamber and I played with it a bit to get it to work the way I wanted, which is what led to the 22LR RAVAGE chamber.
The stock is a Manners MCS-T that was injection bedded and hand-finished. I made and sold the Specter NV Mounts for a while, but this was the first one. You can't see it in the photo, but I made a fully boxed Anschutz Rail and fit it into the forend. The barrel is the first Krieger KUKRI contour, of which, I used lots after this rifle.
So what does this rifle tell me? Where do I go from the Three60? I think I know....
Right out of the case, to see where this thing was hitting, my point of aim was the end of the staple. It hit a little high, so I fired another eight rounds (target distance is 50 yards). Then, a click down takes impact it to POA; the end of the staple....just like I remembered.
So I moved to the staple on the top corner, 10 shots.
I'm going to enjoy shooting this thing for a week, just like old times....
MB
Knowing I had to go to the range today to finish off some testing on a V-22 that was exhibiting sensitivity issues, I decided to take it along to see where it's shooting and OMG! This. Thing. Shoots! I believe a few are already aware, but in case you're not, this is the very first Remington 40X that I converted to test the new magazines way back in the day. It's hand built from parts that I designed and as I recall, I hand made most of the DBM (all manual machining). It's also the rifle that forced me to realize that I'd need to design my own chamber which, to this day, is used in every Vudoo V-22 build shipped from St. George. This rifle originally had a Winchester 52D chamber and I played with it a bit to get it to work the way I wanted, which is what led to the 22LR RAVAGE chamber.
The stock is a Manners MCS-T that was injection bedded and hand-finished. I made and sold the Specter NV Mounts for a while, but this was the first one. You can't see it in the photo, but I made a fully boxed Anschutz Rail and fit it into the forend. The barrel is the first Krieger KUKRI contour, of which, I used lots after this rifle.
So what does this rifle tell me? Where do I go from the Three60? I think I know....
Right out of the case, to see where this thing was hitting, my point of aim was the end of the staple. It hit a little high, so I fired another eight rounds (target distance is 50 yards). Then, a click down takes impact it to POA; the end of the staple....just like I remembered.
So I moved to the staple on the top corner, 10 shots.
I'm going to enjoy shooting this thing for a week, just like old times....
MB
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I also shot my personal Three60 (serial number 1) to make sure it's all squared away....it's going to MT as well.
The top left corner is 10 shots out of my Three60; right corner is five shots from the customer V-22 that was pressure sensitive.
MB
The top left corner is 10 shots out of my Three60; right corner is five shots from the customer V-22 that was pressure sensitive.
MB
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I'd go KUKRI contour but I have no idea yet what length will best balance in it. I haven't had my hands on one long enough to get that far.
MB
It would be easier for me to wait for my Three60 if you wouldn't post groups like these.
Just sayin'
Just sayin'
Since everyone knows that short barrels in rimfire always show a higher ES/SD than the longer barrels... This from an ACE 16 inch barrel from one of my Vudoos.
It had been a while since I had put any of my ammo over a chrono, maybe a half case or more. Just to make sure nothing had changed I ran 10 rounds of a solid lot of Red and 5 rounds of a 20-25 year old lot of Blue round nose.
The Tenex is right there at the speed of sound. Every once in a while I get a supersonic crack, but accuracy is still amazing.
The Pistol match is a really good lot and will shoot bugholes right up there with all the best ammo flavors I have used.
It had been a while since I had put any of my ammo over a chrono, maybe a half case or more. Just to make sure nothing had changed I ran 10 rounds of a solid lot of Red and 5 rounds of a 20-25 year old lot of Blue round nose.
The Tenex is right there at the speed of sound. Every once in a while I get a supersonic crack, but accuracy is still amazing.
The Pistol match is a really good lot and will shoot bugholes right up there with all the best ammo flavors I have used.
I just got a new 12 round aluminum magazine, and it came with a 3D printed loading tool and a little flyer advising not to use the tabs on the side for loading. Is this really absolutely necessary, if I've never had a feeding problem after loading using the tabs? I always leave enough tension to make sure the rounds are stacking properly. Thoughts? @RAVAGE88
My opinion, based on the actual objective, no sir, it's not necessary. However, not everyone loads the magazines the same way and we're trying to offer something that helps everyone reach the same objective. I don't use the tool.
I've been sharing technical content over on Instagram under vudoo_labs. It's easier and faster to share there because I can do it on the run, at the range, or wherever and all I need is my phone. Anyway, take a look at the two pictures below for a revision I do to my own magazines and I've started doing it to customer magazines when I bring in rifles to take a look at for one reason or another.
I simply remove the rear corner of the follower and I started doing this because of the tighter tolerancing in the Aluminum magazines. The angle isn't vitally important, but I work to maintain 45 degrees as I do these by hand on my belt sander. Makes an appreciable difference in the Polymer and Aluminum magazines.
MB
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Does this help with feeding issues? Or make for more reliable feeding?My opinion, based on the actual objective, no sir, it's not necessary. However, not everyone loads the magazines the same way and we're trying to offer something that helps everyone reach the same objective. I don't use the tool.
I've been sharing technical contact over on Instagram under vudoo_labs. It's easier and faster to share there because I can do it on the run, at the range, or wherever and all I need is my phone. Anyway, take a look at the two pictures below for a revision I do to my own magazines and I've started doing it to customer magazines when I bring in rifles to take a look at for one reason or another.
I simply remove the rear corner of the follower and I started doing this because of the tighter tolerancing in the Aluminum magazines. The angle isn't vitally important, but I work to maintain 45 degrees as I do these by hand on my belt sander. Makes an appreciable difference in the Polymer and Aluminum magazines.
MB
Yes, it helps in various areas and if you're having no issues at all, you'll notice feeding a little smoother with the relief cut in place.
MB
Just a quick touch on the belt sander or a few swipes with a file. The material goes away quickly, especially on the red followers.
MB
I've only had mine a short time as well but also have never used the loading tool, just would be something else I would have to keep track of. Just make sure you don't give too much slack when loading and snap the follower a couple of times. It hasn't screwed me yet.
I also shot my personal Three60 (serial number 1) to make sure it's all squared away....it's going to MT as well.
The top left corner is 10 shots out of my Three60; right corner is five shots from the customer V-22 that was pressure sensitive.
MB
I need a case of that lot of Center X
I have the new follower in the aluminum mag and I definitely notice that it's feeding slicker. It's really nice now. I've never had loading issues, but things are jiving pretty well.
@RAVAGE88
I have another shooter that had a Gen1 Vudoo, good shooter that wins our Open division half the time and then upgraded to a new Gen2 22" MTU that he bought directly from Altus. He stuck it in in the MDT ACC and he's been having erratic days. Labradar has his chrono with center-x with an SD of 3.2! And then when he shoots the groups can be really good, or just randomly bad. He cleaned it all up and shot yesterday and chono'd to check everything. Then came in today for the match and rounds were going all over.
I've been following the Vudoo labs IG (Thanks MB) and reading about that person with their MPA, what steps do you recommend on diagnosing?
@RAVAGE88
I have another shooter that had a Gen1 Vudoo, good shooter that wins our Open division half the time and then upgraded to a new Gen2 22" MTU that he bought directly from Altus. He stuck it in in the MDT ACC and he's been having erratic days. Labradar has his chrono with center-x with an SD of 3.2! And then when he shoots the groups can be really good, or just randomly bad. He cleaned it all up and shot yesterday and chono'd to check everything. Then came in today for the match and rounds were going all over.
I've been following the Vudoo labs IG (Thanks MB) and reading about that person with their MPA, what steps do you recommend on diagnosing?
The first thing to do is answer a simple question by breaking the system down to it's sub-components. That question is, does the problem reside in the barreled action (BA) or in the chassis system/stock....maybe both for some unique reasons.
So, first thing to do is move the BA to another chassis or stock and see if the problem follows the BA. In the case of the sensitive rifle I just worked on, the issue followed the BA. So that's where I started and there's one place in the BA that's hugely important to everything that happens at the target. The barrel to receiver interface. So, I broke the barrel loose from the receiver and inspected everything closely. The threads were perfect, chamber and bore were perfect, threads and associated features in the receiver were perfect. So I cleaned everything up nicely, re-seated the barrel to the receiver and torqued to spec. Chances are, re-torquing likely is what moved this particular rifle in the correct direction.
Next, take a close look at the chassis/stock without the barreled action installed. The MPA I was working with was brand new, no issues at all. I re-installed the BA and after putting the NV Mount back in place, I noticed it was ever so slightly contacting the sun shade screwed into the objective on the Burris optic. So I removed the sun shade. Next, the horizontal stadia in the scope was seriously out of plumb, so I'm sure on barricades and such, the rifle was being canted. So before truing it up, I shot a six shot group. First three shots were with the horizontal stadia held plumb and next three shots were with the bubble level on the chassis held plumb. Instead of having one, six shot group, I had two three shot groups nearly half inch apart at 50 yards. After that test, I re-mounted the optic correctly.
With the barrel re-seated/torqued, removing physical conflicts in the chassis and re-mounting the scope, I went back to the range and tested again. The rifle is a hammer....couldn't ask for a better shooter. So break it down this same way and see what you find.
MB
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I followed similar to this after your IG post. I was still at random having some group issues and a slight tracking issue to the Right at distance. I loosened the scope cap screw and inverted the Fix-it-Stick scope jack and sure enough it was a touch out. I had only leveled the scope with a bubble level on it. It started raining before I got a chance to check it, but I think that will have it settled down.
Yessir, proper rifle setup is hugely important to consistency and the smallest of things can throw things outta whack. It's rarely one big thing that leads to nagging problems, but a one or more little things.
MB
Mike,
I've still got the 40XB that Jonathan did your repeater conversion on. I had him convert two of my CMP 40Xs, and really enjoyed shooting both rifles after I'd barreled them (40X w/3-groove Benchmark, 40XB w/Lilja titebore), but sold the 40X to help fund the purchase & build of the 1st V-22 action I bought from VGW. And now, four years later, here we are with three V-22 repeaters, a V-22S, and a Three-60 action on order, and I'm still hanging on to the 40XB, though it's now wearing a 22" Krieger in sendero contour. And it's still a hammer, able to keep up with the other repeaters accuracy-wise, though I don't feel it runs quite as smoothly as they all do. I've had a couple of requests to sell the 40XB, but have instead offered to order in V-22 bbl'd actions and stock them for the customers, which have left the customers very satisfied, and let me hang onto the 40XB for sentimental reasons. I have a feeling this rifle will still be here in the safe after I'm gone....
I've still got the 40XB that Jonathan did your repeater conversion on. I had him convert two of my CMP 40Xs, and really enjoyed shooting both rifles after I'd barreled them (40X w/3-groove Benchmark, 40XB w/Lilja titebore), but sold the 40X to help fund the purchase & build of the 1st V-22 action I bought from VGW. And now, four years later, here we are with three V-22 repeaters, a V-22S, and a Three-60 action on order, and I'm still hanging on to the 40XB, though it's now wearing a 22" Krieger in sendero contour. And it's still a hammer, able to keep up with the other repeaters accuracy-wise, though I don't feel it runs quite as smoothly as they all do. I've had a couple of requests to sell the 40XB, but have instead offered to order in V-22 bbl'd actions and stock them for the customers, which have left the customers very satisfied, and let me hang onto the 40XB for sentimental reasons. I have a feeling this rifle will still be here in the safe after I'm gone....
Dennis,
I remember our exchanges as you were working with Jonathan shortly after he and I spent time on the phone discussing the conversion. It all seems like yesterday and I commend you for tackling the conversion on your own and doing such a stellar job. I've built and owned A LOT of rifles; centerfire and rimfire, and they've come and gone. But, there's not one rifle I own that is more representative of where rimfire is today than my first 40X Repeater Conversion. To this day, it's a real joy to shoot....
MB
Mike,
Just so you know - the whole experience of working on and shooting these repeaters has not only provided me with a great deal of fun, satisfaction, and education, but has also allowed me to interact with you, Jonathan, Paul & Jill and the whole crew at VGW. And I honestly don't recall ever having had a better experience when it comes to dealing with a great group of people. Speaks highly of your judgment of character & integrity that from the beginning with Jonathan and proceeding through my dealings with all the folks at VGW, I have nothing but the highest regard for everyone connected with your endeavor to bring the V-22 product line to market. Best wishes for continued success - and as Jesse Bell has said several times here - it's a great time to be a 22RF shooter!
I also shot my personal Three60 (serial number 1) to make sure it's all squared away....it's going to MT as well.
The top left corner is 10 shots out of my Three60; right corner is five shots from the customer V-22 that was pressure sensitive.
MB
Great groups. What rear bag do you have and what do you use for fill ? Thanks.
Shot my first match with this setup two weekends ago and thought I'd pass on some lessons learned. First, I should have run a couple hundred rounds through the rifle first because I had three big fat zero's on three of the first four stages due to magazine, chambering and ejection issues. Second, I should have used the RIGHT ammo... I had a bunch of ELEY Tenex and ELEY Match from my Tikka T1x (that rifle loved those two), but quickly learned that while ELEY worked for slow, deliberate zeroing, when I got into a match situation, the flat nose of the ELEY jammed on the magazine when loading and the ELEY Match would not eject. Perhaps the rim of the Match is a bit smaller than that of the Tenex. A very nice and helpful Keith Rudasill saw my challenge and helped me "machine" the magazine so there was a ramp of sorts, which helped some. But in the end, I bought a box of Lapua Center-X from a fellow shooter and had NO issues with chambering or ejection the rest of the match, cleaning two stages.
Then I learned another VALUABLE lesson in how to load the Vudoo magazines. I was again, used to the little Tikka T1x mags that I never had any issues with. But, another very helpful shooter, James Smith, enlightened me that I was loading the mags wrong, and the rim of the round above the round below in the mag was actually situating itself BEHIND the rim of the round below. So, when I was trying to chamber the next round, IT was bringing the round below it along for the ride and binding up the whole works! I never read anything about this anywhere, but maybe I missed something. The rest of the match I carefully loaded each magazine and had not further issues. After the match, I reloaded properly with ELEY Tenex just for fun and had no issues. At the range the other day however, the ELEY Match ammo still had ejection issues, so that ammo is now set aside for the Tikka only. I found 1,000 Lapua X-Act and bought it, so that'll be what I feed this thing going forward.
So long story short...I love this rifle but figure It'll take a few hundred more rounds to really figure out exactly how I need to run it and what it likes to eat. It's now balanced properly, I love the MDT ACC chassis and of course, that ZC sitting on top is the icing on the cake. You guys really do make a quality product and I appreciate how you support your customers.
Then I learned another VALUABLE lesson in how to load the Vudoo magazines. I was again, used to the little Tikka T1x mags that I never had any issues with. But, another very helpful shooter, James Smith, enlightened me that I was loading the mags wrong, and the rim of the round above the round below in the mag was actually situating itself BEHIND the rim of the round below. So, when I was trying to chamber the next round, IT was bringing the round below it along for the ride and binding up the whole works! I never read anything about this anywhere, but maybe I missed something. The rest of the match I carefully loaded each magazine and had not further issues. After the match, I reloaded properly with ELEY Tenex just for fun and had no issues. At the range the other day however, the ELEY Match ammo still had ejection issues, so that ammo is now set aside for the Tikka only. I found 1,000 Lapua X-Act and bought it, so that'll be what I feed this thing going forward.
So long story short...I love this rifle but figure It'll take a few hundred more rounds to really figure out exactly how I need to run it and what it likes to eat. It's now balanced properly, I love the MDT ACC chassis and of course, that ZC sitting on top is the icing on the cake. You guys really do make a quality product and I appreciate how you support your customers.
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Never a mistake, always a lesson....
I too, took my V22 that I picked up Saturday to a match on Sunday. Feeding issues? Yes. But after further investigation and trail/error it was mostly on me - since I've switched from RH to LH bolt action and didn't have any practice running the bolt/rifle and for the last 2 years I've been shooting RH V22.
Did it cost me points and frustration? You bet.
Still came back with a 2nd place.
I should've known better than to shoot a match with a brand new rifle but I wanted to shoot it so bad...
I've spent the last 3 days practicing running the LH bolt and I've had zero feeding issues since.
In regards to the magazine loading, yes I learned to triple check that rounds are in there properly, lately I've been exclusively using 15 round aluminum magazines.
And lastly, yes - VGW is always out there, whether on SH or Instagram someone will always be able to help you out and answer any questions you might have (along with fellow shooters).
Great looking rifle BTW!
Luke
Great post! My first vudoo, a three 60 barreled action is at my FFL waiting, so experiences shared like yours will help a lot.
Mine get installed into a Vision chassis.
Have never seen anything about the mag loading either, but since you mention it I'm almost sure everybody else knew about it lol.
Will find out if it shoots as good as my RimX.
Mine get installed into a Vision chassis.
Have never seen anything about the mag loading either, but since you mention it I'm almost sure everybody else knew about it lol.
Will find out if it shoots as good as my RimX.
I just make sure the rounds look like this and the first round is pointing up. My last order came with a 3D printed red loading tool.
I'm sure fellow shooters can chime in on loading tips as well.
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There’s a video on how to load mags on vudoos website that is very informative. I believe it’s Paul that made it. It’s been posted a few times in this thread as well.
My 3 60 is in TN currently and en route to Colorado
My 3 60 is in TN currently and en route to Colorado
Thanks Krob95! As I said, I didn't go through all those great vids but wish I had! These Vudoo guys are the real deal.There’s a video on how to load mags on vudoos website that is very informative. I believe it’s Paul that made it. It’s been posted a few times in this thread as well.
My 3 60 is in TN currently and en route to Colorado
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