So does mine, without any mods to the cocking pieceMy TT Diamond has worked flawlessly.
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So does mine, without any mods to the cocking pieceMy TT Diamond has worked flawlessly.
I've used a BnA tacsport pro and the new TT 2 stage and like the TT better on my vudoo. I have the gen 1 fire control. The BnA was great and I had no complaints but the timing is slightly better with the TT... and I needed a trigger for my Lone peak anyways.My TT Diamond has worked flawlessly.
Can you single feed it for F/Class shootingSo far, the only condemning things regarding RimX rifle fit/function/accuracy/precision, can be laid right at the feet of the person that built them... just like any and all other other custom rifles.
No, and it was not designed for that purpose.Can you single feed it for F/Class shooting
However, it must be said that a Vudoo V22 can be shot either as a repeater or a single shot. Changing from one to the other requires five minutes. Simple. I use two stocks, a Manners PRS1 for repeater shooting and a GRS Sporter with Sunny Hill BDL for single shot.No, and it was not designed for that purpose.
There is some truth to this statement. The Rimx's built by some are great rifles. No feed issues, shoot like a house on fire. I've met 4 people first hand who had issues with their Rimx rifle from their builder and really struggled to get the support needed to overcome their issues.Only reason I posted at all was to illustrate plainly and brightly that this isn't a RimX problem people are having. It's a rifle builder problem. That's a fact. I don't much care how uncomfortable that fact may be for some.
We completely understand that this is the case. We went a different route in our design to create a simplified barrel tenon that wouldn't require timing the barrel to the action. This way, a barrel can be bought without the action leaving your bench. That follows our center fire action model and will continue to be something we strive to do as we've had success with that intention.However, it must be said that a Vudoo V22 can be shot either as a repeater or a single shot. Changing from one to the other requires five minutes. Simple. I use two stocks, a Manners PRS1 for repeater shooting and a GRS Sporter with Sunny Hill BDL for single shot.
Of course, this modularity may or may not be significant for your purposes.
Of those 4 people you had experience with, did they all have the same builder or did they have different builders?There is some truth to this statement. The Rimx's built by some are great rifles. No feed issues, shoot like a house on fire. I've met 4 people first hand who had issues with their Rimx rifle from their builder and really struggled to get the support needed to overcome their issues.
So while it's true, it is largely a builder problem, that is an overall issue with the platform. The consumer has to worry about whether or not his builder is capable of putting together a sound product.
Just like every other custom rifle built... ever.The consumer has to worry about whether or not his builder is capable of putting together a sound product.
I have no doubt you're selling a quality product that is absolutely top notch.Just like every other custom rifle built... ever.
The smiths that aren't good at building on RimX's, aren't good at centerfires either... its just with a centerfire you can get away with it. Rimfires are significantly more particular and do not forgive shoddy craftsmanship. That's not a problem with the platform. That's a problem with unqualified people building things they should not be building, and charging people for it. Then, due to fanboy'ism, the truth about those outfits is never told, lest the teller be shouted into oblivion... and then even more people get suckered into those same problems. I've seen the same thing happen over and over again for 20 years on this forum and many others.
I have never once recommended that someone collect a bunch of centerfire parts and "assemble it" themselves. Ever. I have never once recommended someone do that with a rimfire either, and I never will. Rifle building should be left to the people that have made a reputation of perfection. That is why we partnered to provide TS Customs built RimX's exclusively. Travis is a perfectionist, and would never allow his reputation to be damaged by rushed or substandard work. Then, before we sell them to a customer, each rifle is personally vetted by me with a minimum of 250rnds of live fire. Feeding, extraction, ejection must be flawless and the accuracy/precision with multiple lot numbers is shared with the customer before the rifle is ever sent. That is after an exhaustive parts selection and build process. Even further qualification can be made, to include lot testing and case lots of ammo being provided with the rifle. The idea being, a customer that buys a RimX from Primal Rights is not left with questions and uncertainty. They know exactly what they are getting. This all starts at around $4000 and includes proprietary TS Customs cheek hardware, custom inlet and world-class TS Customs bed job in a tricked-out McMillan stock in the A3A, A6, A6PRS, or A10 class, all with sniper fill to ensure the most predictable platform possible. Same kind of price and components you'd expect from a high end centerfire custom build.
Here's a 30" Benchmark MTU with EC Tuner in a McM A10 with flush cups and full length arca that is presently being tested. Once testing is complete, it will be offered for sale. Early results are promising, considering it was fired in a 17°f 15-20mph condition.
There's an implication here that we don't offer that level of service. If you've experienced less than stellar support from us and our product, we'd love to know so it can be addressed. We strive to be the best in every aspect at what we do and if you or someone you know isn't receiving the best, please let us know.I have no doubt you're selling a quality product that is absolutely top notch.
This thread is about the V22 platform vs the Rimx platform. The issue I'm pointing out is unless a guy has spent a bunch of time lurking on the Hide here, he's playing the lottery on whether or not his builder can produce a Rimx up to snuff and the customer may not get good support dealing with his issues. The problem is there is not a uniform Rimx experience. With the V22 the rifle is either right, or the people at VGW will bend over backwards to solve the issue. Period. There is no "well if you get a Vudoo direct for sure it will be right, but if you get one from XYZ it might be crap because they don't know what they're doing and you may or may not get help." The Vudoo is a great product with even greater support, regardless of where it was purchased.
No concerns from me. You guys are on another Level!There's an implication here that we don't offer that level of service. If you've experienced less than stellar support from us and our product, we'd love to know so it can be addressed. We strive to be the best in every aspect at what we do and if you or someone you know isn't receiving the best, please let us know.
There's an implication here that we don't offer that level of service. If you've experienced less than stellar support from us and our product, we'd love to know so it can be addressed. We strive to be the best in every aspect at what we do and if you or someone you know isn't receiving the best, please let us know.
There's an implication here that we don't offer that level of service. If you've experienced less than stellar support from us and our product, we'd love to know so it can be addressed. We strive to be the best in every aspect at what we do and if you or someone you know isn't receiving the best, please let us know.
We see that from where you sit, but from where we sit, the comment below sure seems to have some implication that we would leave our customer high and dry if they get our product somewhere other than directly through us.Actually, if it may be helpful, I don't read that he's implying that Zermatt doesn't offer exemplary service....I've experienced your level of service myself with centerfire actions. The way I read what he's pointing out is, the builder plays a big part in how Zermatt is represented, which is no different than what Orkan is saying.
MB
We see that from where you sit, but from where we sit, the comment below sure seems to have some implication that we would leave our customer high and dry if they get our product somewhere other than directly through us.
"With the V22 the rifle is either right, or the people at VGW will bend over backwards to solve the issue. Period. There is no "well if you get a Vudoo direct for sure it will be right, but if you get one from XYZ it might be crap because they don't know what they're doing and you may or may not get help.""
If we're misunderstanding the intent, we apologize for that. No harm done.
Your customer service reputation is outstanding, and we strive for that as well. We just want to make sure that we're providing the same levels of outstanding customer service that people deserve when they choose us to build their actions. We have to hope that the builders that choose to use our products will do the same and represent us and themselves exceptionally well. If we see that's not happening, rest assured that we address those situations. We just do so privately to respect everyone involved.
This is a very valid question that is answered relatively easily. But you have to narrow it down a little more: what is "breaking the bank" to that individual?One of my friends won a RimX cert at the local match and put an order for a RimX. He is budget concious so the $4000 custom rifle isn't going to work. I had assumed prefit, meant prefit. I have had multiple prefits for the TL3, never seen any real issues, reputable barrel maker, Keystone, Straight Jacket, I got the prefit, torqued it on, and no issues.
The RimX barrel is also a prefit, yet somehow barrel makers are having a lot of issues. So I'm not sure who to recommend now for a prefit for the RimX. I've seen a few Proofs in the wild that seem to just work, though I think they might just be using a Bentz chamber?
Keystone was the big group buy that it seems quite a few people are struggling with getting working.
Where would you go for a prefit for a RimX that isn't going to break the bank?
It wasn't meant as a knock against Zermatt or your service by any means. I have two Origins and love them. Had a great experience with your service when the first one wouldn't work with my Timney two-stage trigger I put in it.There's an implication here that we don't offer that level of service. If you've experienced less than stellar support from us and our product, we'd love to know so it can be addressed. We strive to be the best in every aspect at what we do and if you or someone you know isn't receiving the best, please let us know.
So yes, as was pointed out, it really is a builder issue BUT how does a guy know which builder is making Rimx's up to snuff and which ones aren't?
Sorry, missed this. All 4 from one otherwise reputable (centerfire) builder who wasn't terribly helpful with some of the issues.Of those 4 people you had experience with, did they all have the same builder or did they have different builders?
That's not a question intended to air out any grievances with specific builder(s), just a general question.
I understand this clearer now. Thanks for expanding on the statement.It wasn't meant as a knock against Zermatt or your service by any means. I have two Origins and love them. Had a great experience with your service when the first one wouldn't work with my Timney two-stage trigger I put in it.
But if a guy has a Rimx built and accuracy is poor or he's having failure to fires or feed issues, where does he go? Back to the builder. That builder may or may not offer the same level of service. And it does introduce the quandary of who is on the hook for making sure the end product is right.
So yes, as was pointed out, it really is a builder issue BUT how does a guy know which builder is making Rimx's up to snuff and which ones aren't?
The Rimx IS a fan-flipping-tastic platform when it is done right. There is just too much variable for my taste in who is building it, whether they'll build it right, and if they'll stand behind their work.
Sorry, missed this. All 4 from one otherwise reputable (centerfire) builder who wasn't terribly helpful with some of the issues.
AWESOME! Class act.I understand this clearer now. Thanks for expanding on the statement.
We want everyone to know that, no matter the problem, if you are having issues with something that involves our product in ANY way, we want you to feel comfortable reaching out to us for either servicing the issue or advice on servicing the issue. We've been happy to help make it right with a lot of different issues since we've been in business here in Nebraska and we'll continue to do that.
If you're interested in the action but afraid of the potential for issues, please understand that we're willing to help in EVERY situation, not just problems with our products exclusively.
This is a very valid question that is answered relatively easily. But you have to narrow it down a little more: what is "breaking the bank" to that individual?
Finished steel barrels typically run between $450 and $800 with carbon fiber barrels being an exception.
He shoots a Vudoo with his feet.
MB
Centerfires are much more forgiving to build than rimfires. Soft lead bullets (instead of jacketed), a tiny powder load, plus the amount of the total charge the primer makes up all lend to a very delicate system for the rimfire.Also don't know why the advise against ordering a BA or a Prefit, the whole point of Prefits is to work... never had issues with CF rifles.
With all of that information, you could go a handful of different routes.$450-800 is about the range I'd expect... though for a rimfire prefit I'd expect it more generally in the $450-600 range. I know for rimfire in the past generally they float around the 300-450 for nice match barrels for Tikka T1X's, CZ's, although the barrel tenon is smaller so there's more steel req on these Vudoo/RimX barrels.
My main concern is I wouldn't consider Keystone to be a bad company as their centerfire barrels shoot well, but a large amount of the complaints I have heard with feeding issues were around the Keystone group buy. JBell I wouldn't consider someone who has no idea how to handle/configure his rifle but the amount of chamfering and configuration req seems a bit daunting for anyone else.
The whole point of prefit, not having to time things would be I just torque it on to the 80 ft lbs and it should work like my centerfires... so the amount of work people are having to do is suprising. If there's a known prefit / company that just works I'd love to know.
PrimalRights/TSCustoms prefit for $800 is a bit high. Also don't know why the advise against ordering a BA or a Prefit, the whole point of Prefits is to work... never had issues with CF rifles.
With all of that information, you could go a handful of different routes.
PROOF Research (steel) - $365
PROOF Research (carbon fiber) - $470
Lothar-Walther - $400
Benchmark - $620 (couldn't find information on their site, but we were quoted this price 4/15/2020)
This was just a quick look at barrel manufacturers that are offering complete, pre-fit barrels. There are surely more small shops across the country offering these barrels with different blanks at different prices, you'd just have to look into those options.
With all of that information, you could go a handful of different routes.
PROOF Research (steel) - $365
PROOF Research (carbon fiber) - $470
Lothar-Walther - $400
Benchmark - $620 (couldn't find information on their site, but we were quoted this price 4/15/2020)
This was just a quick look at barrel manufacturers that are offering complete, pre-fit barrels. There are surely more small shops across the country offering these barrels with different blanks at different prices, you'd just have to look into those options.
Are the manufacturing tolerances of Vuddo receivers tight enough and CNC machining accurate enough that a standard "pre-fit" barrel would fit any Vudoo receiver? If not, for an individual Vudoo receiver could the relevant measurements be made and a barrel blank machined into a "pre-fit" barrel for that receiver? Then the individual measurements could be kept on file.
Could well be my ignorance on the subject, but seems to me the big deal in machining exactor slots is the positioning of the slots. If the position could be programmed into a CNC machine, would the cost of a "pre-fit" barrel with exactor slots be that different from a "pre-fit" barrel without extractor slots?
On anothering machining topic, is it more difficult to make a radial edge than a chamfered edge? Seems a radial edge is greatly to be desired.
The short answer is, "yes." All of my personal V-22s and those belonging to friends and team shooters have "pre-fits." Extractor cuts truly have no bearing on whether a pre-fit is possible and there's no need to keep a "database" on every receiver. However, my personal philosophy is, "pre-fit" on a rimfire is a misnomer. And yes, we machine extractor cuts in a CNC via the fourth axis. The reason we don't sell rimfire actions to more than a couple chosen guys is because of exactly what people are seeing with variation....it has nothing to do with extractor cuts.
When I started down this path, it was quickly evident that to achieve successful, consistent results, all variables had to be controlled, so everything that has anything to do with consistent performance had to originate as part of the design and manufacturing process....Everything. Our model is to build barreled actions and complete rifles because we work to control what is a consistent outcome. In the long run, this allows us to focus on one thing....the end user. Some of you would be floored by the number of barreled actions/rifles we've received back that have been re-barreled by "big name" "smith's" that had no idea how to properly barrel a V-22 and told the customer there was something wrong with the action. So, we don't sell actions and we won't offer "pre-fits."
MB
Here are the current two Vudoos (they are for my daughters):
You have some lucky kids. Nice shooting.
are the rimx and voodoo receivers made of forged aluminum? how about the bolts what prevents the lugs from galling
I am pretty sure they are all Cerakote now.The vudoo is steel to, not positive on coatings but believe nitrided as well
are the rimx and voodoo receivers made of forged aluminum? how about the bolts what prevents the lugs from galling