Weapons/Valuables storage safes/vaults

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    Since there is always gun talks going on I never really saw anything about safes/vaults. I'm going to be buying something soon but it's always too much info good/bad about brands and quality on the web.

    Liberty has a great marketing plan with plenty of decent products. Plenty people say they are just an RSC touting buy a "real" safe/vault. I'm not looking to spend $12k on a safe right now. Just want a product that will not end up on the news being towed down the street.

    Anyone have a good quality recommendation under $6k?? Something in the 5-6'+ tall range, 36-40+wide range. Not wanting a pillow fight over brands...just the facts please.
     
    I have a Liberty as well. I opted for the "traditional" tumblers instead of electronic. I've been pleased.

    I'm sure you've heard it before, but it bears saying again. Buy a bigger safe than you need - those guns multiply like rabbits in there!
     
    Take a look at Sturdy Safes. Lots of steel in them and very tight tolerances. They have a bunch of torture test on YouTube from the owner.

     
    Safes? Bwahahahaha

    I use a JobBox that I bought at HomeDepot for $299. Heavier metal than the safe. I pile a shit load of ammo in the bottom and put the rifles in cheap nylon cases.






     
    Couple of things I found looking gor mine. Not all safes are made equal. My Heritage has no external hinges to attack. The door front is 1/4" thick steel plate. Compare fire ratings as well.

    I totally agree with buying one bigger than you think you'll ever need. Ive got guns, documents, photo albums, and heirlooms in mine and Im getting to the point of needing a second one.
     
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    Second on Heritage. Also have a Champion 48-gun I purchased at an auction for $300, buffed the outside and serves well as a big metal box.

    Forget the marketing, interior features, and fancy paint jobs. Go for quality.
     
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    Liberty Presidential fits your budget and is a nice box. It will keep the majority of burglars out.

    The top level AMSEC and Graffunder are about the strongest short of buying a used professional jewelry safe and redoing the interior. These are way higher cost options though.

    I have a good friend that works for Boston lock and safe. He does this for a living and I listen to his practical advice
    1. Every safe can be breached given the thief has the knowledge, tools and TIME
    2. Bolt the safe down in a generally inaccessible part of the house so it can't be moved
    3. Have an alarm system that you use...this takes away the burglar's time element.
    4. Never talk about the safe and its contents casually to anyone
    5. Insure the contents of the safe in case it gets breached or you have a fire
     
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    Many good points earlier in the thread.

    These aren't necessarily pretty, but if you bolt it down in a closet where there is restricted access to sides, back, and top, it will be very difficult to defeat from the front. You can get the sides built in fairly heavy gauge as well to slow down attempts at cutting. These can get very heavy so consider how you're going to get it where it needs to go and if you ever plan on moving at some point after the install.

    https://www.sturdysafe.com/
     
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    I've been happy with a Liberty (a Lincoln IIRC), but am always out of space. Home has an alarm system as well, so have considered just getting some TA-50 cages, leaving the really valuable stuff in the safe, and the lesser valued stuff int he cages.

    Ultimately, a basement vault is in the plans for the retirement home.
     
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    Thank you all for the replies. In my previous life as the unit armor there was not one thing that would physically stop me from getting into the arms room and walking out with whatever I wanted if I were to go rouge. The alarm system and time on a clock would be the only Jokers in the stack.

    I'd love to have a basement, just not anything that is possible right now.

    For the Jobox crowd: I didn't see any single product they carry where the box was full 7ga steel in the body. If you can provide a link please do so.

    As I expected it's always about keeping the honest man honest, and making the time to get the prize longer than one would want to avoid the Blue Squad.
     
    Just the facts....

    Most items sold are not safes.... according to UL and an insurance company.

    If you want a safe you need something with a UL rating for Tool resistance... even banks have a way to call the police as their vautls can be opened...


    Price- craigs list

    buy a used Commercial Safe- if you own your home and don;t plan on moving- this is the best option...

    a neighbor had a safe 8 feet wide- 3 feet deep- 6 feet tall- he was asking 1K and you would need a forklift and truck to remove it

    Class B rated safe has a steel door less than 1 inch in thickness and wall less than ½ inch in thickness. Class B’s with quality locking and relocking mechanisms will be difficult for poorly equipped, amateur burglars to compromise within an hour’s time. If the safe owner is planning on storing smaller valuables, a Class B safe should provide sufficient protection.

    Class C rated safes have at least 1 inch of steel door thickness, and at least ½ inch of wall thickness all around. They are usually twice as thick and twice as heavy as their Class B counterparts. This class of safe would sufficient store small to large valuables.

    TL-15 safes can withstand at least 15 minutes of attack with good tools before being compromised.
    TL-30 safes can withstand at least 30 minutes of attack with highly sophisticated tools before being compromised.
    When “X6” appears next to a TL safe rating, it’s an indication that the safe demonstrated the ability to withstand a simultaneous attack on all six of its walls. A safe rated TL-30X6 can thus withstand a multi-planed attach with highly sophisticated tools for at least 30 minutes. A TL-30×6 is a wise investment if storing items valued up to $500,000 such as jewelry or other collectibles.
    A TRTL rating signifies that the safe can withstand both torch and tool based attacks. Again, a wise investment if storing items of
     
    a quick search- do your own and be patient

    Tl-30
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    This one is a project- no combo
     
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    Condition: Pre-Owned in very good condition
    Rating: UL TL-30
    Price: $2000 Firm 61 x 27 x27 - 2400 pounds
     
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    In addition, keeping it out of sight behind a Bookcase is good. Decoy safe also. If your collection is worth much, Eastern insurance will give you peace of mind for $200/yr and covers theft while travelling.
     
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    a quick search- do your own and be patient

    Tl-30
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    This one is a project- no combo

    You have any listings for the east coast?
     
    Found a decent "possible" in Baltimore...ugh....Dude has some serious issues about the removal of the item from his home by the buyer. Might not be a perfect gun storage option but would make a sweet ammo locker. Yep...Good thing I have a Craigslist app.

    Thanks for all the sharing. Plenty of great ideas and suggestions!!
     
    Found a decent "possible" in Baltimore...ugh....Dude has some serious issues about the removal of the item from his home by the buyer. Might not be a perfect gun storage option but would make a sweet ammo locker. Yep...Good thing I have a Craigslist app.

    Thanks for all the sharing. Plenty of great ideas and suggestions!!

    If you don't buy that one for $1250 let me know I might go after it
     
    Knock yourself out. That guy has WAY too much time on his hands. I don't want to deal with someone complaining about the guys I hired to move the thing. He needs to hire them even if you pay the costs. That way HE can deal with them fixing anything that gets damaged. There was a Ebay ad for it as well.
     
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    Ok, so I got a little time to offer some of my knowledge. Like so many others have said, if you can swing it, bypass any of the big box store so called safes. These are feel good boxes that people sell at ridiculous prices to make people feel good about what goes inside. Yes, they offer some security but you would be just as well off buying a toolbox and bolting that to the floor. I can be in any big box store safe in seconds using a fire axe, especially if it’s not bolted to the floor. And hell I’ve even seen some people be able to pick them up and cart them off with ease. So, if you go with this route be absolutely sure you bolt that sucker to the concrete at minimum. If you can do that and build something around it to hide it then it’s even better. For most people, you can probably get by with one of these safes as most people are just trying to deter kids and crackheads from a quick grab and go. However, most of us realize that you are buying time as sometimes these types of people are highly motivated. Most times they will just move on but every now and then there is that one guy.

    What you need to do is look at your house from a security standpoint and layer security. Cameras, barriers, distance, dogs, alarm, safe and so on. There is only one way in and out of my house that is not protected by a barrier of some sort. I have a fence with locked gates covering all other entrance and exit points. You’d literally have to hop over an 8’ gate. And my front doors are 8’ 2” thick iron doors with heavy hinges and a camera covering them from two angles. You aren’t getting it with ease and even if you do you’d have multiple dogs to contend with along with the alarm and so on. I would highly suggest this.

    Next up, if you can swing it, I’d build a vault and get a vault door. Better if you can do this in the building process as you can have it poured with the walls. I have two that are surrounded with 2’ of concrete and rebar with Fort Knox vault doors that clamp to the concrete from the inside, ac running in bothand so on. The doors are a total of 5” thick. The front plate is 3” solid steel. Then on top of this I have gone a long way to making them hidden. Still working on one. Either way you ain’t getting in with ease, but I am also not naive enough to think someone couldn’t with the right tools, knowledge or a little time. All I’m doing is buying time but short of paying someone to guard your house this is about the best you can do. If you got any more questions or want to pick my brain hit me up. You can spend as much as you want on this stuff or do it on the cheap and still be effective. It just takes a little planning.

    PS if you have a basement you can still build a vault, you just have to pour the walls in place. Build your forms and get someone to come in a truck and shoot some concrete in there or you can do blocks and pour into each layer. But I’d recommend drilling holes in the slab, anchoring some rebar in each layer as well. It can be done. I’ve seen it done although I’m sure it’s a pain in the ass. Only problem with this route is you won’t be able to finish the tops, will be a small gap so you’d have to figure out how to deal with that somehow but again, it can be done and done right and hidden well is a lot more effective than a rsc.

    One more thing to think about is hiding in plain sight. Think a hollowed our refrigerator. Not likely anyone would check such a thing for guns. Downside is if they did you have zero protection. I’ve even seen some pretty cool set ups with pool tables.
     
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    So there's lots of "suggestions" being given. Thanks for all the comments.

    Yes, they offer some security but you would be just as well off buying a toolbox and bolting that to the floor.

    If you can provide a link to a "toolbox" that uses 7ga steel all around please post a link.
     
    So there's lots of "suggestions" being given. Thanks for all the comments.



    If you can provide a link to a "toolbox" that uses 7ga steel all around please post a link.

    I don’t know of any big box stores that sell an rsc using 7gauge steel. So you aren’t comparing apples to apples. Most RSCs are built using 14 gauge steel which is either equivalent to or less than some large tool boxes are made of. A better rsc will use 10 gauge but you still aren’t likely to find anything like that at a box store. If you have to continue down this route then I’d go with a Sturdy Safe or find a used TL30 somewhere and go pick it up. Even then, a little time and a torch and I can be in like Flynn. Again, you can’t protect from everything. All you can do is layer and buy time.
     
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    RSC??? Didn't you just post "but you would be just as well off buying a toolbox and bolting that to the floor"???? I asked you to post the link to a 7ga tool box. That's apples-to-apples in my book.

    Who said I'm buying from a big box store?? Liberty uses 7ga in it's higher end line. Not sure what "big box" you are speaking about either.

    In the end I did ask my OP "Anyone have a good quality recommendation under $6k?? Something in the 5-6'+ tall range, 36-40+wide range."
     
    RSC??? Didn't you just post "but you would be just as well off buying a toolbox and bolting that to the floor"???? I asked you to post the link to a 7ga tool box. That's apples-to-apples in my book.

    Who said I'm buying from a big box store?? Liberty uses 7ga in it's higher end line. Not sure what "big box" you are speaking about either.

    In the end I did ask my OP "Anyone have a good quality recommendation under $6k?? Something in the 5-6'+ tall range, 36-40+wide range."

    Yes, a rsc is a residential security container, not an actual safe. Please learn the differences. Most RSCs, like Liberty, are glorified tool boxes made with 14 gauge steel and sold at big box sporting good stores. It’s that simple man. Yes, you can get a decent rsc well under $5k that fits your criteria. Find someone that sells them in your area and go for it. Any of them in the $2-$3k range aren’t going to be that much different from each other so pick your flavor and move on.

    I see you are in AL. After a quick google search for a safe dealer I turned up Southland Safe. Maybe call them and get squared away. I’d suspect tho that a 7 gauge will be out of your price range.
     
    Yes, a rsc is a residential security container, not an actual safe.

    Yea....I said in my OP: "Plenty people say they are just an RSC touting buy a "real" safe/vault. I'm not looking to spend $12k on a safe right now. "

    I guess you really don't have anything significant to add. Nice "suggestions".
     
    Yea....I said in my OP: "Plenty people say they are just an RSC touting buy a "real" safe/vault. I'm not looking to spend $12k on a safe right now. "

    I guess you really don't have anything significant to add. Nice "suggestions".

    Exactly. You said RSC in your original post, in which case I assumed you knew what the hell a rsc was. Apparently not. Plenty here have given good advice. Read it and move on. I’m not sure what you are looking for. Plenty of rsc’s in your range. Pick your flavor. I also gave you lots and lots of security considerations on top of a safe and even gave you an actual safe dealer in your state. What more do you want us to tell you?
     
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    Yes...better advice than you have that's for sure? Move on?? It's my post princess....bounce out if you don't like it.

    Hey man, fuck you then. Get off your high horse. I’m done with this shit. I work in the security and gun industry and you have the audacity to tell me I offered nothing to you in any of my post here? Good luck with that piece of shit overpriced box.
     
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    LMAO....Good to see you go.



    So does a LOT of people at Bass Pro and Cabela's.....LMAO....OMG.....you see what I did there.

    Yeah, again, fuck you. I don’t work at fucking Bass Pro. I actually have multiple professional jobs, one being in the gun and security industry. And if you go back and look I offered up info aside from just what safe to buy. But whatever. Again, have fun with your box.
     
    I asked about good quality recommendation, not how to build my own personal Fort Knox. So if you had stayed on my topic rather than make it about your "How great my "gun and security industry" knowledge is"...that would have more sufficient to cover my question. But hey you like to make things apples-to-oranges....JEEEZZZZ....Maybe put your tiara in that basement vault of yours till later when you can impress your friends.