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Suppressors Welding Titanium
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I am very much looking forward to your videos and results of testing. That will make CGS one of two companies actually releasing reliable at the ear data to the public. I hope your cans perform as well as you say, it will give me all the excuse I need to buy from good people!
Siri....Show handicap midget porn...
Shit.... wrong place....
Shit.... wrong place....
Btw... I got to shoot the TB Ultra, pre release..... purely by luck... Ray was at the range and had a PILE of empty .300wm ammo boxes with an air compressor blasting in the barrel of a near now smoothbore rifle... it was an off the shelf Savage I think.... anyway Ray let myself and my brother in law blast a few at 100yds. I think it was grouping like a shotgun at that point.... but Ray didn’t/doesn’t know me from an outhouse, but he treated me like an equal. He even loaned me his own rear bag for an hour because I forgot mine. Ray at TBAC is the real deal....
I own a can, but is not a TBAC.... lol I shoot a LANE. Just because I’m a cheap bastard. And it shoots amazing. And I bet Ray would still let me shoot whatever he had if I run into him again.....
Ps.... I’m still looking for good midget porn.... pm me if you find something good.....
Pps...... do they make Titanium Welding midget porn????
I own a can, but is not a TBAC.... lol I shoot a LANE. Just because I’m a cheap bastard. And it shoots amazing. And I bet Ray would still let me shoot whatever he had if I run into him again.....
Ps.... I’m still looking for good midget porn.... pm me if you find something good.....
Pps...... do they make Titanium Welding midget porn????
Finally, I found you. I am not sure how you escaped but I am here to bring you back to Maggies/bearpit. @1J04 misses his midget porn pal. Come on lets go, back to the 'pit, you don't belong here. Way to much "knowledge" going on here for you.
Well if there's anything to be learned from this thread it's don't talk smack unless you are prepared to be called out on it. Certainly wouldn't be the first time it's happened on SH. Will be very interesting to see how it plays out on the range with some sound equipment.
According to Kevin, Silencer performance has Reached its pinnacle with the Q Suppressors. Stating that Suppressors can’t be made to outperform Q’s Current Design.
Before you ask, it is on Q’s IG feed somewhere along with all the other Q Products are the greatest, bestest, lightest, Quietest, most innovative, on earth!
I follow Q on instagram, I've seen his claims and comments but I am more interested in his products. Very cool stuff and regardless of where his ideas come from, it's something different than what everyone else is doing. However, I don't rely on any manufacturer telling me how good their product is. If I did I'd be running Athlon and Vortex Vipers instead of Nightforce.
Looking forward to the sound tests.
Looking forward to the sound tests.
I agree wholeheartedly and I promise you I’m not the one that doesn’t want you to see it.
See we have absolutely nothing to lose. If it is what we say....well then some feelings will be hurt. If it’s not...that’s okay you already think it’s not. Q has done everything they can to make sure you think we are “liars or incompetent”.
Silencer Jesus already said it was impossible to do anything better than what he had done. Silencer Jesus is never wrong.
No one on this site has ever purchased a can from me. So no customers lost there right?
I mean it’s not like all my snipershide business will go to q if mine isn’t what I said it was. I already said buy a TBAC can a few responses ago. Those are ready to ship and they are “switched the fuck on in real life”
Hyperion has never been sold to anyone on the civilian side and won’t be until a .mil program of destructive testing has concluded that is occurring right now.
We would never sell it without the benefit of that information especially with an opportunity to have round counts in the 25-35k range at no expense to our company. That would be unethical in my opinion. No matter what NASA says.
Maybe @HansohnBrothers will make that side by side metered test on video happen for us all. They are the only Dealer we have ever formed a Hyperion to for Demo. I believe they are actually a stocking Q dealer. I don’t know how much more unbiased it gets.
It doesn’t really matter though there will be a myriad of excuses accusations etc if the test doesn’t favor Silencer Jesus.
Do you really see a fellow like that conceding to the fact that a “teenager” that “hasn’t finished school” could potentially have, on his very first attempt, designed and produced a silencer that rivals anything Silencer Jesus was able to create the entire time he has graced the industry with his rule.
Decades at the top and a “kid obsessed with his career” handed him his ass on his first try with 4-5 dangerously dapper looking, beat up, retired commandos and a crew of folks that has never done anything in the gun industry before.
Not likely. But it doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
There you are you little slut.
You get your ass back to the Pit and disassociate yourself from this epic shit show. In the meantime, I'll leave a trail of crumbs for ya.
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Sold the Fix and Full Nelson since a customer wanted them more than I did. I’ll hit the range Monday, meter the Hyperion 6.5mm on a Bergara HMR 6.5CM and post the results here.
That falls on a stagnant market & complacency.
Just for the record, I HAVE NO CONNECTIONS WHATSOEVER TO CGS GROUP!
Who made all this shitty shitty 51t mounts everyone bitches about?
I posted a screenshot of that exact info on the last page toward the bottom (post #83). If you go to where the screenshot came from he explains a bit about the reasons why things were done the way they were done on the 51T Mount.
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I’ll send you a full Nelson. You can keep it. I don’t really need it anymore. Plus if there is no same day same host same ammo comparison we are all back to square one.
HansohnBrothers I'm very exceited to see the results of your testing on both the Hyperion and the Q Full Nelson. Could I trouble you to also test them on an AR of some variety at the shooter's ear? The bolt gun performance will be great, but an AR test would give us some idea about the back pressure comparison.
Thanks for the test no matter what though.
Thanks for the test no matter what though.
You are just douchey. I've never said that. We can make "better" silencers constantly...just define "better".
I think our offerings are based on the current market and my personal 25 years of experience. There are several good silencer companies, We are certainly a leader.
Completely agree. Silencer Shop sells 50% of all silencers that are Form 4'ed. If it sells, they carry it. If no one is interested, they probably don't sell it. They even sell some crappy silencers. But, they also sound test and post it, I believe...I honestly don't even follow it.
Testing a prototype, unobtainium silencer against a production unit, using obsolete equipment that the mfg has offered service for in over a decade, with the wrong microphone.? Seems legit.
I did. Even all of the 100,000 sold to the mil. Before I was or hired a real engineer...like our lil buddy. Still never launched a silencer down range off of one. And I guess it was used to shoot Bin Laden.
I'm not going to be in the middle of this pissing match any longer. Bobby, your can will be boxed and shipped once the form 3 clears. Kevin, my meter is not obsolete and has the proper mic. Good luck to both companies, I'm out.
Any .mil contracts for Q? Is that how you measure, neverMind, leave that for the midget porn!
Where is the FEA data on Q silencers? Group size with Q products? Shot any Q products until Failure? Where is the test data? What happened that you cut ties with Tooley & Bartlien?
Better, if I need to define better for you then...
Who makes a Silencer that is better then Q’s all the way around, from mount, materials, sound reduction, coatings, welding, etc..
Since you seem to measure better by amount of .mil contracts, I guess the answer would be Surefire, no?
I completely understand @HansohnBrothers
I appreciate your stance and apologize for bringing you into this.
I’m truly sorry.
I appreciate your stance and apologize for bringing you into this.
I’m truly sorry.
I apologize. I thought I understood that you were using their B&K 2209 and prototype .260 silencer. My bad.
Fuck the pissing match, do it for your customers! Inquiring people want to know one way or another.
Whoa, slow your roll. Do not involve Hansohn Bros any further. It's their choice to make and we will respect it.
Remington 700s are the best bolt guns in the world because that's what the military uses
I am a consumer, I don’t fucking represent nobody, PERIOD!
Now, if they can’t find the humor in the comment, then they need to read it again later after they calm down after reading Kevin’s post saying they use outdated equipment in a effort to, ONCE AGAIN, have a reason why they get the numbers they got!
There, I have nothing more to say about them!
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For me it becomes about diminishing returns. Maybe do it to set some kind of sound record? But, it gets to the point or being a commercially impractical length, I believe. At some point additional length and baffles are doing very little, like barrel length for velocity, or additional chambers on muzzle brakes. With muzzle brakes, if properly designed, the first to chambers do 95% of the work.
The SIG 762DT silencer we did was extremely quiet, but borders on being too long, in my opinion. The Full Nelson is a little quieter.
I think longer, quieter would only interest 1% of the consumers for the added length, weight, and cost.
You never constantly post your products are the best on the market ehh? Or post false shit about other people in the industry? Still won’t post test results others and I have asked for, you just say trust me? Trust a person like you? Not for a minute!
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After taking some time to think about this, I'll test the Hyperion. Understand the Hyperion has a 6.5mm bore, 1.75" diameter and 9.5" long: it should be quieter than anything with that amount of volume. The Q is shorter and has a .30 caliber bore. Since these are different calibers, I'm not sure what the goal is comparing the two.
I agree, my sales over the last few years show shorter, lighter cans sell better than the long versions of the same. Micro cans, <6”, sell even less. 6~8” cans sell best.
Sounds great! Interesting that originally their Hypercon silencer was 1.5” x 7.5” and Inconel 718 and outer tube construction like AAC (their website still list it as such), then they buy our new silencers, and we gladly ship them directly to them, now their silencers are 1.75” x 9.5” titanium and tubeless...just like us. Even copied front end cap aesthetics almost exactly.
The added length and bore size is huge. Still, if you can’t buy them and they are only prototypes...who cares. We can build ringers to win sound comps, that are long, heavy, too expensive to be commercially viable, etc. But, it would simply be an industry disservice.
Agreed. We’ve always made the quietest silencers, since we were at AAC. Now the market is bigger, there are more silencer companies, consumers are more educated, and silencer use is more widespread. The top half dozen mfg’s make silencers that are pretty quiet. Consumers seem to be looking for improvements and features other than sound. We focus on precision, size, weight, durability, simplicity, etc. Basically, practicality and usability.
I shoot and hunt a lot. I use our smaller silencers 90% of the time, instead of our quietest offerings.
So, this is not a balanced comparison that CGS is asking you to do.
Yes, the website team wanted placeholders for pictures and stats. The models were quite literally empty shells and the specs were rough estimations of eventual size, looks, and materials. We hadn't yet decided between Inconel 718 or Stellite because we didn't build any rifle silencers until February 2017. When we did build our first rifle silencer, we decided we wanted to go for max sound reduction and a couple of other things, and with that comes length and width and weight. So to minimize weight we went with 100% Grade 5 Titanium. As you can see, the Kraken in real life doesn't look like the model renders on the website either. I think it actually looks way better now than it did 4 years ago.
We placed our order for your silencers on April 5, 2017, and the first Hyperion was built 3 months prior. That's not even accounting for whenever it was that we actually received them. So no, but good try.
Once we figured out how good the prototype, at the time, rifle silencer performed, we ended up changing naming conventions and applied the Hyperion name to all 7.62/6.5 series of silencers. The Helios name applies to all 5.56 silencers, Hekate applies to all 338 silencers, and Keres applies to all 50 silencers. We decided to go "tubeless", such as Ase Utra has done since 2005, to make the silencer even stronger than it was before compared to Grade 9 Titanium and after seeing perfect silvery titanium welds there was no going back.
But you are right about one thing, we do need to update our website.
Sure it is. One person claims theirs is quieter, the other person claims theirs is quieter.
I went and checked the bores on the silencers a few minutes ago to see how much of a difference there is between them. The Q models use an EDM taper bore. In the silencer I checked it started at ~.36" at the blast baffle and then ended at .38" at the front cap. The CGS Hyperion has a straight .316 bore. So to put it in other terms, the smallest variance between the two was .044 (the width of a paper clip wire) and on the large end it was a .064 variance (less than the thickness of a quarter).
Going to length, the Full Nelson is listed as 8.86" long with .225" of hex sticking out the front. We'll call this .225" of length from the flat part of the front cap a design feature. The Hyperion is 9.5" long, the same length as an AAC Cyclone for example, with .235" of design features sticking out from the flat part of the front cap. So we subtract design features from the overall lengths and this gives us, "useable length" for sound reduction.
That's 8.635" for the Full Nelson and 9.265" for the Hyperion, and the actual usable difference between the two is .63" or ~5/8 of an inch, which is ~1/16" less than the width of a dime.
If we were to remove the design features of the front cap, the part that literally doesn't do anything but look nice, the overall length of the Hyperion would be 9.265" with a perfectly flat end cap. This would put it in between a Gemtech Quicksand (9.2") and a SIG SRD762Ti (9.3") in length.
So if we really wanted to, by removing front cap design features, we'd be shorter than the SIG SRD762Ti. And even if we did just cut back the overall length by .75" and reintroduce the front cap design features, sound performance wouldn't suffer much at all. We have Hyperions that are missing 2 baffles and still perform within ~2dB of the full size. Like I said, we designed this silencer for sound. And as you can see the differences where it matters, actual sound containing length and bore diameter, both are pretty much negligible. Our 7.62 version performs just as well too.
Hansohn Bros, we certainly thank you for reconsidering and appreciate the time you're taking to perform the comparison.
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Sure.
So, complete design, length, weight, and material changes of your silencers to match our's is totally coincidence? Even after our's was released...
Bore diameter and OAL don't matter...noted.
So, send us your silencers, like we did for you, and allow us to test and compare them please. We are happy to pay 2x retail pricing.
Thank you.
Can we....
Take the money up front like a silencer gofundme page and then send you the silencers say 14 months later?
I think an interest free loan is what that’s called. Or maybe it’s a Ponzi scheme.. no Pyramid that’s what it is.
It all keeps working as long as you keep pumping cash in via preorders and your suppliers don’t stop delivering to you for non payment. If they do you can just switch suppliers. Amidoinitrite?
No thanks sneaky Silencer Jesus. Ours is an unobtainable prototype remember. Stick to that story. Proceed with more excuses.
It’s funny everyone told me this would happen with you but my eternal faith in Silencer Jesus was strong. I didn’t believe them.
I actually thought we would have to DO some sort of test to obtain this intense level of excuse fabrication.
Evidently just talking about a side by side test with our copycat silencer is enough on its own. You are the king of all silencer kings. What are you so concerned about?
1/2 inch more length? It will be fine. You can take it.
Blah, blah, blah. How many accounts do you have?
So, you guys are unwilling to send us silencers, like we did for you? I bet not.
Just noting that these questions were not answered with anything other than “call us and we will sell you shit.”
