Rifle Scopes What a Scope

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You have made the leap into the multiple levels of optics and price levels. If you are in that price range also give a Vortex Razor a look too. Check out Libery Optics. Also, check out the new IOR too. If you in the over 2k range of scopes it opens lots of other manufactures.
 
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I don't think you can go wrong with the Viper PST. Vortex is quickly gaining a great reputation for quality glass and outstanding performance. The CRS is a nice feature. It's not as convenient as NF's Zero Stop, but serves a similar purpose. Are you planning an upgrade from something else?

Chase B.
 
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One suggestion.Make sure that particular NF scope has Mil turrets to match the mil reticle before you buy it. The MLR2 is a much improved reticle over the MLR.

The HS turrets are excellent! Which was the game changer and 2cnd most important determining factor for me buying one.ZS is nice as well.The new F1 is a really kick ass scope! I own a Bushnell 3-12 but the NF is a much better scope in many ways-not in the same league by a good margin.

My IOR 6-24x56 is a good scope too.IMO the build quality is not quite up to the F1 but still a good scope especially for the money.No problems with mine so far.

To me buying the F1 was definitely worth the extra money.I'm thinking(scheming)about getting another.
 
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I currently own a Bushnell low end 3x9 hunting scope, so yes, this would be a huge step up in glass for me. I've have always been an iron sights guys so I'm still trying to learn the ropes and all the technical jargon regarding scopes. There is a lot of info to take in. I'm worried that I will end up spending $1500 on glass and then find out if I would have spent only a couple of hundred more, I could have had something a whole lot better and more versatile.
 
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I think I have narrowed it down to these two scopes:

http://www.opticsplanet.net/nightforce-n...p-r1-mil-d.html

http://www.opticsplanet.net/night-force-nxs-f1-model-riflescope-zero-stop-feature-nxs1550f1.html

I'm still studying the optics info on this site and what they all mean. After I figure out what all the bells and whistles on these scopes are good for, I will make my purchase. So far the advice has been to purchase as high quality glass as you can and their won't be any regrets later. Now, back to studying
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffersonv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No kiddin? Really? Wow!
How do you know? </div></div>

You're good brother! While I like SWFA's stuff, I too am amzed by people recommending gear before its avaiable.

The koolaid is strong with this one!
 
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Uhh, Maybe because I have two 1-4xs, a 10x HD, a original 10x, and have thousands of rounds down range with them. I know what kind of quality SWFA SS scope are.

It is not like they are suddenly going to have a shitty scope come out of that line. It is no different than some one using a Nightforce 3-15x and having good luck with it and recommending a 5-22x.

Plus Lowlight and JonA have been spending a lot of time with them and both have posted those same thoughts.
 
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They're also 500 off for the next 28? days. After that you'll have to wait 'til 10k likes to get that price again, and if the social networking drive peters out then 10k might not come at all...

Also, a lot of people here use their products. So the name is familiar.

Add the two together and all the buzz makes more sense.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jea1976</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think I have narrowed it down to these two scopes:

http://www.opticsplanet.net/nightforce-n...p-r1-mil-d.html

http://www.opticsplanet.net/night-force-nxs-f1-model-riflescope-zero-stop-feature-nxs1550f1.html

I'm still studying the optics info on this site and what they all mean. After I figure out what all the bells and whistles on these scopes are good for, I will make my purchase. So far the advice has been to purchase as high quality glass as you can and their won't be any regrets later. Now, back to studying
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Yep.Hold off till you understand "exactly" what you are getting and/or wanting.

The first scope is a second focal plane (SFP} scope with MOA turrets and MOA reticle.

The second is a first focal plane (FFP).That's why there's a nearly $500 price difference.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jea1976</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think I have narrowed it down to these two scopes:

http://www.opticsplanet.net/nightforce-n...p-r1-mil-d.html

http://www.opticsplanet.net/night-force-nxs-f1-model-riflescope-zero-stop-feature-nxs1550f1.html

I'm still studying the optics info on this site and what they all mean. After I figure out what all the bells and whistles on these scopes are good for, I will make my purchase. So far the advice has been to purchase as high quality glass as you can and their won't be any regrets later. Now, back to studying
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Yep.Hold off till you understand "exactly" what you are getting and/or wanting.

The first scope is a second focal plane (SFP} scope with MOA turrets and MOA reticle.

The second is a first focal plane (FFP).That's why there's a nearly $500 price difference. </div></div>

Yea I'm still trying to figure it all out
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I think you would be doing yourself a disservice if you don't take a serious look at the SWFA SS 5-20. I know for a fact about dealing with SWFA on multiple occassions, and have used various Super Snipers.

The quality and clarity of their SS line has done nothing but improve over the years, and their customer service is excellent. The 16XSS that I own now has the clearest glass of any of the previous offerings that I have owned or shot behind.

It may sound a bit early to make any recommendations concerning the 5-20, but there are going to be MANY naysayers be surprised with this one. Just with the HD glass alone, this scope is going to turn the higher end priced scope manufacturers to take a serious look. The bar will be set to a whole different level with this offering.

The only other company that I know of that completely stands behind their stuff like SWFA is Vortex. I was looking seriously at the purchase of a 6-24 PST FFP, but for only 1 other hundred dollar bill added to the equation, my funds are going for the SWFA 5-20. My order is in, and I am patiently waiting.

I respect the input and usage information of LowLight and JonA. They are both real world scope manipulators, and share alot of the same opinions that I do as far as specification requirements for a scope to fall into a catagory of "GOOD TO GO".

From all accounts, the SWFA 5-20x50 is that "GOOD TO GO" scope.

My opinion is, throw the funds to the SWFA, but your opinion may vary.

DK
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheOneTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Uhh, Maybe because I have two 1-4xs, a 10x HD, a original 10x, and have thousands of rounds down range with them. I know what kind of quality SWFA SS scope are.

It is not like they are suddenly going to have a shitty scope come out of that line. It is no different than some one using a Nightforce 3-15x and having good luck with it and recommending a 5-22x.

Plus Lowlight and JonA have been spending a lot of time with them and both have posted those same thoughts. </div></div>

Good Answer! I hope you're right because I drank the kool-aid too.
 
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Let me throw my .02 to op. My $ will always go to a proven product that is actually available. I have noticed the supposed release dates are almost never accurate. I prefer let someone else wait months in line and work out the bugs. If they turn out to be all that, I will buy one later. In the meantine I am out shooting with a good proven optic.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264win</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me throw my .02 to op. My $ will always go to a proven product that is actually available. I have noticed the supposed release dates are almost never accurate. I prefer let someone else wait months in line and work out the bugs. If they turn out to be all that, I will buy one later. In the meantine I am out shooting with a good proven optic.

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I agree. I have not heard any negative feedback regarding NightForce, except for the usual preference arguments and opinions. I have a friend at work that placed one on his 50 cal BMG and he loves it. I probably will end up going that route. I'm doing some studying up on differences between Mils and MOA and different reticles. Now I just have to find one that will suit me and what I will be using it for!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The better setup will be the mil/mil scope. </div></div>

That seems to be the general consensus so far.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264win</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me throw my .02 to op. My $ will always go to a proven product that is actually available. I have noticed the supposed release dates are almost never accurate. I prefer let someone else wait months in line and work out the bugs. If they turn out to be all that, I will buy one later. In the meantine I am out shooting with a good proven optic.

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So if NF, S&B, Premier, or any other high end scope brings out a new scope you would not jump in a group buy deal? If it's the wait; that I can understand but if your concerned with quality well that's not that great of a argument. Every SWFA SS and HD model owners are more than happy with their scopes, AMD plenty of great reviews out there. From everything I have read and seen in person about the SWFA scopes was good stuff. Also they had military contracts which should also say a thing or two about the scope. So the new scope even from Frank and Jon's small reviews seem like they are GTG scope and nothing to worry about.


Aron-
 
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I agree from my experience with SWFA that they have good stuff, and Chris and crew are some of the best folks out there.

But I am also saying unless they are sitting on a pallet or two of scopes that have passed QC you are only betting on the result, and are at the whim of a foreign source, customs, the high seas, etc....

And yes I gambled on Premier when they first came out. I would not plop money down again if they had a pre-release group buy on any new model. Same with all the manufacturers.

What mil contracts on preproduction models do you speak of?

 
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The mil contracts I was referring to is the 10x42M scopes. From what I can remember it was during the Tasco/SWFA and Navy contract. Tasco had the mil contract and had to fulfill it. During which all this SWFA took over and continued the production of the SS 10x42M until the contract was over.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But I am also saying unless they are sitting on a pallet or two of scopes that have passed QC you are only betting on the result, and are at the whim of a foreign source, customs, the high seas, etc....

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That is the case with every scope made. We are always betting on the reputation of the scope/brand. There is always the chance of failure. I see no difference.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
264win said:
Let me throw my .02 to op. My $ will always go to a proven product that is actually available. I have noticed the supposed release dates are almost never accurate. I prefer let someone else wait months in line and work out the bugs. If they turn out to be all that, I will buy one later. In the meantine I am out shooting with a good proven optic.

</div></div>
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So if NF, S&B, Premier, or any other high end scope brings out a new scope you would not jump in a group buy deal? If it's the wait; that I can understand but if your concerned with quality well that's not that great of a argument. Every SWFA SS and HD model owners are more than happy with their scopes, AMD plenty of great reviews out there. From everything I have read and seen in person about the SWFA scopes was good stuff. Also they had military contracts which should also say a thing or two about the scope. So the new scope even from Frank and Jon's small reviews seem like they are GTG scope and nothing to worry about






Yes that is exactly what i mean. How many months have the s,b 3-20 been delayed , and still not in sight ?
Remember whan Premeir came out and people spent the $ and got in line , then a few months later they were availble for hundereds less ? And when they upgraded their "clickers" ?
I think ss makes a fine product I just prefer to wait until I can actually check out a product before I buy it <span style="color: #CCCCFF"> </span>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But I am also saying unless they are sitting on a pallet or two of scopes that have passed QC you are only betting on the result, and are at the whim of a foreign source, customs, the high seas, etc....
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Their $$$, their choice. Like I said earlier I think the 500$ off right now is making it hard to resist.
 
#32
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I picked up a Night force 3.5 X 15 F1 last week with a velocity LV.5 reticle and I must say I really love it seems to work really well, Although I haven't used it a 1k yet but it works as advertised so far at 500 yds.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rjdriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I picked up a Night force 3.5 X 15 F1 last week with a velocity LV.5 reticle and I must say I really love it seems to work really well, Although I haven't used it a 1k yet but it works as advertised so far at 500 yds. </div></div>

Nice, glad to hear it
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