What do we think of this BP chassis?

[Precision Underground]

You are awfully defensive of this hideous bull pup chassis.

Why are you so personally invested in this chassis? Did you design it? Are you associated with the company?

Something doesn't smell right...

Lol. No if I designed it I would know if it was junk or not!!! Read the whole thread and you will see how hard I tried to explain the question. I just want someone who knows chassis’s to tell me if this thing should shoot straight and hold up. I couldn’t take it anymore lmao. I have a guy who’s shooting at 6 foot targets telling me I won’t be able to hold the rifle steady lmao.

These rants are in good fun btw, nobody get their panties in a wad.

 

[Precision Underground]

Probably should have led with that then. Just sayin... Otherwise we're left with a picture, a spec sheet, and wild speculation.

FWIW (about .02) I think it's an innovative idea and as long as it's executed well (especially the trigger linkage), it should work well for your stated intended use.
However, if it's just a range toy as you state, why does it matter if it short (pretty much the only advantage of a bull pup)? Seems like there's a lot of other options out there that are established and highly regarded.

Because I don’t want another freaking 6 foot long rifle. And because it is tacticool and different lol.

 

[flyer]

Maybe try a folding stock?

 

[goosed]

This thread is a classic case of people throwing shit at something because they are not familiar with it or it isn't their bag. So far, I haven't seen a single answer to the OPs question that wasn't either mud slinging because of personal taste or just outright dogpile trolling.

The specs read like it is a solid stick. The ergonomics are largely driven by the design requirement to allow people to drop in a R700 or similar barreled action and end up with a bull pup bolt action. I have yet to see an answer, other than the perceived LOP argument, that had any merit against this product. And the LOP argument seems moot to the OP, if in fact it is as long as posters are making it out to be (doubtful).

His question was if anyone had any knowledge why this might not be made well enough to perform as advertised. I see no reason that it shouldn't, ergonomics being what they are. It it milled 6160 aluminum, not molded polymers like so many lower end stocks being used by people on this site to good effect. So, a solid and high quality stock material.

As long as the bedding blocks are built correctly, there's no reason that this should be any less accurate or durable than anything else, short of a DT or AICS.

You can continue throwing sticks and stones at it because it is different, because you don't like how it looks, because you dislike bill pups in general or just because it's fun to voice a strident opinion over the Internet about some thing you have no knowledge about. None of these are reasons that should dissuade the OP if he likes it and it fits his need/want.

Hey, the first post in this thread I actually agree with.

I can't answer any of the OP's questions either, but what I can say is that issue with bull pups in general isn't with accuracy. The accuracy potential between all of the different bedding blocks I've seen including chassis's, tube guns and stocks is minimal to non-existent. Even among those looking for the smallest groups possible [i.e. brenchrest and belly benchrest (f-class)] there isn't even close to a consensus pick.

The real concern of mine would be with the trigger pull. Trigger bars are notorious for their horrible effects on the trigger pull. Just try a tavor, AUG, DTA MDR or any other bull pup. They all suffer from the same fate. The DT SRS/HTI is probably the best of the bull pup triggers and sufficient as a target trigger... though it's still far from perfect.

 

[Precision Underground]

Hey, the first post in this thread I actually agree with.

I can't answer any of the OP's questions either, but what I can say is that issue with bull pups in general isn't with accuracy. The accuracy potential between all of the different bedding blocks I've seen including chassis's, tube guns and stocks is minimal to non-existent. Even among those looking for the smallest groups possible [i.e. brenchrest and belly benchrest (f-class)] there isn't even close to a consensus pick.

The real concern of mine would be with the trigger pull. Trigger bars are notorious for their horrible effects on the trigger pull. Just try a tavor, AUG, DTA MDR or any other bull pup. They all suffer from the same fate. The DT SRS/HTI is probably the best of the bull pup triggers and sufficient as a target trigger... though it's still far from perfect.

Thank you. That is helpful, actual information that there typically isn’t an accuracy difference between bedding block chassis. Is the trigger linkage something that once it’s good it’s good or something that is an ongoing issue to keep maintained and nice? Meaning if it has a good design and execution is it as easy to maintain as just normal trigger?

 

[kthomas]

I don't get why you are really pushing for this chassis.

So many great options out there, not sure what you get from this chassis. Ergonomics are poor, trigger is probably shit, and I don't really see any advantages at all.

I see ZERO reason to buy it.

 

[Precision Underground]

I don't get why you are really pushing for this chassis.

So many great options out there, not sure what you get from this chassis. Ergonomics are poor, trigger is probably shit, and I don't really see any advantages at all.

I see ZERO reason to buy it.

I’m not pushing for the chassis. I am not even 5% committed to buying it. I’m pushing for someone to give me a decent answer lol. Like now, I have stated 23 times in this thread that the LOP is zero issue to me. The bolt operation will be inconvenient but I’m willing to trade that for a shorter rifle with a 30” barrel. “Trigger is probably shit”...oh ok well I’ll move in since someone said the trigger is probably shit. What else you got?

There is a lot of shit that people buy that I have zero reason to buy. That doesn’t necessarily invalidate the product.

 

[goosed]

Thank you. That is helpful, actual information that there typically isn’t an accuracy difference between bedding block chassis. Is the trigger linkage something that once it’s good it’s good or something that is an ongoing issue to keep maintained and nice? Meaning if it has a good design and execution is it as easy to maintain as just normal trigger?

Probably not the clear cut answer you would like... it depends. Some are designed well enough that that they keep their setting others don't.

Almost universally though the crispness of the break and how low you can go on pull weight will suffer. It's a simple fact that any extra linkage takes extra force to move and adds potential for play in the system.

 

[Precision Underground]

Am I on ar15.com right now?

 

[Precision Underground]

Probably not the clear cut answer you would like... it depends. Some are designed well enough that that they keep their setting others don't.

Almost universally though the crispness of the break and how low you can go on pull weight will suffer. It's a simple fact that any extra linkage takes extra force to move and adds potential for play in the system.

Yea I can see that for sure.

 

[goosed]

Yea I can see that for sure.

If you can live with the possible ergonomic challenges and potential trigger issues I say go for it. Nothing wrong with going with the path less taken... hell if you buy it and come back here with a review of the positives/negatives others might even follow. Just not this guy.

 

[moosemeat]

I think the correct answer is no one has a clue if it will shoot well or not cause we dont have one. So you can be the first. When its the hot set up you'll get to be a trend setter.
My opinion means shit. My rifle has a fiberglass stock and controlled round feed. Hell, my scope doesnt even have a zero stop.

 

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so...ive been reading this shitshow of a thread......and been looking at this chassis a bit, and ill let you know what i think....

1) I measured the LOP by scaling the magazine........i got a LOP of 13.5".......which is normal.

2) it is fucking expensive......that is one of the most expensive chassis on the market.....now the cost isnt huge relatively speaking.....however it IS a lot for a chassis which is new to the market, from a company no ones heard of, and that doesnt even have a website.

3) its fugly, personal preference i know, but shit looks like it came out of a 1990s B-movie scifi film.

4) if you have fat meat hooks, it looks like you might have an issue with the back of the pistol grip.

5) i cant speak to the trigger, because i havent shot it........but bullpups are not known for their good triggers.....especially conversions.

6) All of the above are minor concerns honestly........but i do have serious questions on that cheek piece......it looks like a thin piece of sheet metal......and it has a cut-out right where it looks like your face will sit.....honestly looking at it does not give me the warm-n-fuzzies.



now, aside from #6.......i dont see any mechanical concerns with the chassis......its doubtful it will harm your accuracy at all........

 

[Precision Underground]

so...ive been reading this shitshow of a thread......and been looking at this chassis a bit, and ill let you know what i think....

1) I measured the LOP by scaling the magazine........i got a LOP of 13.5".......which is normal.

2) it is fucking expensive......that is one of the most expensive chassis on the market.....now the cost isnt huge relatively speaking.....however it IS a lot for a chassis which is new to the market, from a company no ones heard of, and that doesnt even have a website.

3) its fugly, personal preference i know, but shit looks like it came out of a 1990s B-movie scifi film.

4) if you have fat meat hooks, it looks like you might have an issue with the back of the pistol grip.

5) i cant speak to the trigger, because i havent shot it........but bullpups are not known for their good triggers.....especially conversions.

6) All of the above are minor concerns honestly........but i do have serious questions on that cheek piece......it looks like a thin piece of sheet metal......and it has a cut-out right where it looks like your face will sit.....honestly looking at it does not give me the warm-n-fuzzies.



now, aside from #6.......i dont see any mechanical concerns with the chassis......its doubtful it will harm your accuracy at all........

I saw the cheek piece and thought it looked strange as well. It says it’s adjustable but I can’t imagie how. Need more pics. Or better yet a YouTube review!

 

[kthomas]

I’m not pushing for the chassis. I am not even 5% committed to buying it. I’m pushing for someone to give me a decent answer lol. Like now, I have stated 23 times in this thread that the LOP is zero issue to me. The bolt operation will be inconvenient but I’m willing to trade that for a shorter rifle with a 30” barrel. “Trigger is probably shit”...oh ok well I’ll move in since someone said the trigger is probably shit. What else you got?

There is a lot of shit that people buy that I have zero reason to buy. That doesn’t necessarily invalidate the product.

Then go ahead and buy it.

I see zero advantages to this chassis and lots of downsides and potential downsides.

Good luck.

 

[Precision Underground]

Then go ahead and buy it.

I see zero advantages to this chassis and lots of downsides and potential downsides.

Good luck.

Thank you. You have been very helpful.

 

[kthomas]

Thank you. You have been very helpful.

For the type of shooting most of us on this site do, this chassis is not suited for.

For tactical/practical type shooting and matches (PRS/NRL), this chassis would be a poor choice. The ergonomics are horrible for that type of shooting (and no, I'm not talking about the LOP), the trigger is likely very poor (bullpup triggers are notoriously horrible), and there's not really any advantage to being short. I also imagine there is very little aftermarket support, for any "add-ons" that would make the chassis even more adaptable for what we do.

So sorry you are not getting the responses that you want, but it doesn't really do anything for 95% of the shooters in this community.

 

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For the type of shooting most of us on this site do, this chassis is not suited for.

For tactical/practical type shooting and matches (PRS/NRL), this chassis would be a poor choice. The ergonomics are horrible for that type of shooting (and no, I'm not talking about the LOP), the trigger is likely very poor (bullpup triggers are notoriously horrible), and there's not really any advantage to being short. I also imagine there is very little aftermarket support, for any "add-ons" that would make the chassis even more adaptable for what we do.

So sorry you are not getting the responses that you want, but it doesn't really do anything for 95% of the shooters in this community.

sitting our ass on a concrete bench with an iced coffee shooting at targets <300 yds away?

honestly....thats what MOST OF US on this site actually do.....as much as we all want to think were our running and gunning every weekend shooting off barricades and shit.........were just not.

also, theres more than just PRS shooters on here... and the dude never once mentioned PRS.......

 

[SuperSneakySniper]

To be fair though, nobody seems to have 1st hand experience with the chassis (for the many reasons listed above), so all people can do is guess.
Will it hold up? I can say probably. Nothing tells me otherwise, but I'd be lying if I said I know for an absolute fact that it will hold up and perform under strenuous conditions.
Also, I'm not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but the position of the bolt (far to the rear), combined with the LOP may result in it being difficult to keep on target while cycling the bolt. I personally find bullpups harder to get comfortable behind when shooting from less-than-ideal positions, but whatever floats your boat! You know best what you would be using the rifle for.

My opinion is, for $1200, I would prefer to KNOW that it performs, rather than having to find out.

 

[Precision Underground]

For the type of shooting most of us on this site do, this chassis is not suited for.

For tactical/practical type shooting and matches (PRS/NRL), this chassis would be a poor choice. The ergonomics are horrible for that type of shooting (and no, I'm not talking about the LOP), the trigger is likely very poor (bullpup triggers are notoriously horrible), and there's not really any advantage to being short. I also imagine there is very little aftermarket support, for any "add-ons" that would make the chassis even more adaptable for what we do.

So sorry you are not getting the responses that you want, but it doesn't really do anything for 95% of the shooters in this community.

I'm not sure what you mean by what "we do", but what I do is escape everyday life by laying on a tower and trying to shoot shit that is really far away. I don't wear a jersey or live my life to try to run around and shoot metal faster and better than someone else. I simply asked a group of people who are into precision rifles how they thought a chassis would perform. 90% of the answers would have been better if I just showed my wife a picture and asked her what she thought. If I wanted to know if it was pretty I could have asked her. And if there is no advantage to a rifle being shorter why in the hell does desert tech exist and why in the hell do people pay hundreds of dollars for a special permit to have shorter rifles??? Again, thanks for the incredibly insightful wisdom.......

 

[hic28]

So sack up and buy it and let us know how shitty it is.

 

[Precision Underground]

So sack up and buy it and let us know how shitty it is.

Couple that with "looks like a pile of shit" from earlier and you are in the lead for most intelligent input into this conversation. Good job.
There is a ton of assumptions in this thread. I am nowhere near buying anything. I have a build in mind for sometime in the next year or so and am looking around at different shit. I get it. It is not a McMillan and you don't like it. But you have given no real reason why other than a made up LOP and a non-ergonomic bolt, which is inherent to a bullpup. So as thrilling and intuitive as that is, what else you got?

 

[mikehotel]

I'm really liking my (less then $500.) KRG Bravo chassis.

just saying

 

[hic28]

Couple that with "looks like a pile of shit" from earlier and you are in the lead for most intelligent input into this conversation. Good job.
There is a ton of assumptions in this thread. I am nowhere near buying anything. I have a build in mind for sometime in the next year or so and am looking around at different shit. I get it. It is not a McMillan and you don't like it. But you have given no real reason why other than a made up LOP and a non-ergonomic bolt, which is inherent to a bullpup. So as thrilling and intuitive as that is, what else you got?

Mainly just stirring the pot and trolling you cause you get super worked up over everyone’s opinions. It’s quite entertaining.

But seriously, If you want a short rifle OAL with a long barrel length just buy a tried and true rifle. DTA srs. Done.

The conversion you posted originally will be more than disappointing and I’ll put money on that. If it were the bees knees you would have a bunch of people vouching for that company and that system... however, I haven’t seen one post that vouched for the company.

While I wasn’t a big fan of the DTA ergos, j will say that a 2/3 ipsc at 1400 yards was boringly easy with it (338lm). You want to shoot 1k, pick up a used srs with any flavor of 6.5 and you’ll be happy.

Edit- can’t stand mcmillians. I do like manners though

 

[Precision Underground]

Mainly just stirring the pot and trolling you cause you get super worked up over everyone’s opinions. It’s quite entertaining.

But seriously, If you want a short rifle OAL with a long barrel length just buy a tried and true rifle. DTA srs. Done.

The conversion you posted originally will be more than disappointing and I’ll put money on that. If it were the bees knees you would have a bunch of people vouching for that company and that system... however, I haven’t seen one post that vouched for the company.

While I wasn’t a big fan of the DTA ergos, j will say that a 2/3 ipsc at 1400 yards was boringly easy with it (338lm). You want to shoot 1k, pick up a used srs with any flavor of 6.5 and you’ll be happy.

Edit- can’t stand mcmillians. I do like manners though

Couple of things.....
I’m not worked up at all. I literally posted that I was just busting yalls balls with the rants. What is entertaining is you busting in like an authority and then walking back your comments that added zero substance to the thread and playing it off like you were trolling. Suuuure, got ya.

No one has experience with it because it isn’t even released yet. So bees knees or not no one could even know that because as far as I know, no one here is from the future.

I have a 6.5 and ring steel easily at 1200 but at sea level there isn’t much gas left to get out much further. Hence the reason for researching for a new build sometime in the future.

If I could afford a 338 desert tech I wouldn’t be typing this right now.

That is all.

 

[damoncali]

It doesn't look like they've been released, but if you really want one, I'd buy it quick, beause that dog won't last long. But first, I would back up and ask why you want a bull pup bolt gun. There are plenty of downsides (length of pull, the inability to sling it up properly, and the carpel tunnel inducing bolt location), and the only upside is that they're short. That's a bad trade-off better solved by a short barrel if you ask me, and it strikes me as a gimmick with little utility. Throw in the childish marketing, form-before-function styling, and high price tag, and, well, no thanks.

 

[Precision Underground]

 

[Precision Underground]

It doesn't look like they've been released, but if you really want one, I'd buy it quick, beause that dog won't last long. But first, I would back up and ask why you want a bull pup bolt gun. There are plenty of downsides (length of pull, the inability to sling it up properly, and the carpel tunnel inducing bolt location), and the only upside is that they're short. That's a bad trade-off better solved by a short barrel if you ask me, and it strikes me as a gimmick with little utility. Throw in the childish marketing, form-before-function styling, and high price tag, and, well, no thanks.

There is a 200 page thread on desert tech on this forum. I guess I am not the only one that thinks bull pup bolt guns are interesting and useful. Saying they put form before function is ridiculous. That is like saying a subcompact handgun is a terrible idea because it is not as ergonomic as a full size and you shouldn't buy one because they put form before function. AGAIN, I am not looking to validate the usefulness of bull pups. I am talking about the potential accuracy and mechanical quality of this chassis.

 

[damoncali]

I meant the grip and the hex pattern among other features that are made to look "cool" rather than function well, not the bullpup config. I still think it's a terrible idea, but to each his own. I would expect quality to be poor, but you won't know unless you try.

 

[kthomas]

There is a 200 page thread on desert tech on this forum. I guess I am not the only one that thinks bull pup bolt guns are interesting and useful. Saying they put form before function is ridiculous. That is like saying a subcompact handgun is a terrible idea because it is not as ergonomic as a full size and you shouldn't buy one because they put form before function. AGAIN, I am not looking to validate the usefulness of bull pups. I am talking about the potential accuracy and mechanical quality of this chassis.

Then quite bitching and shoot it and find out.

The only thing people can comment on at this point is aesthetics and ergonomics. I'm not sure how we are supposed to comment on the accuracy and mechanical quality of a chassis that no one on here has out there hands on, let alone shot. Very hard to determine those two aspects based off of some words and pictures on a website.

With that, I'm done with this thread. What a waste of bandwidth.

 

[Precision Underground]

Then quite bitching and shoot it and find out.

The only thing people can comment on at this point is aesthetics and ergonomics. I'm not sure how we are supposed to comment on the accuracy and mechanical quality of a chassis that no one on here has out there hands on, let alone shot. Very hard to determine those two aspects based off of some words and pictures on a website.

With that, I'm done with this thread. What a waste of bandwidth.

Well I hate to see you go. All of your 7 posts in this waste of bandwidth thread were very helpful. The best was when you used your incredible investigative sense to say "something doesn't smell right, did you design this chassis?" Lmao. Yea my master plan was to design a chassis and then come on snipershide to trick everyone into buying it. And I would have gotten away with it if it werent for that pesky Kthomas!

I asked about the potential accuracy and durability of the chassis. All I heard was "derrrr, that trigger prolly sux" and "ewwww, it doesn't look like my Mosin", and "well I hate bullpups so I'm not the best judge but it probably sucks". There were a couple of intelligent responses from knowledgeable people and I appreciate that. But a lot of people got butt hurt when they were not accepted as experts because they didn't like the grip or the color lol. It's not a purse people.

 

[Precision Underground]

I meant the grip and the hex pattern among other features that are made to look "cool" rather than function well, not the bullpup config. I still think it's a terrible idea, but to each his own. I would expect quality to be poor, but you won't know unless you try.

The grip is a regular AR grip so I doubt they spent too much on the R&D. The hex pattern probably took 1 minute to program into the machine so I doubt that was done first or took precedence over anything else.

 

[Diver160651]

It's not a fucking purse people.

Thats a great one!


BTW I mentioned LOP solely in regards to your TWO posts that indicate you might want to think about how square you are behind ANY system. If your only 6'2" and Maxed on on a ACIS - still finding it too short AND you'd be "OK with a 20" LOP" in a other post, I'd seriously address your mechanics first.

I am going to bring this up again - because of your third post about the LOP as not an issue to think about.

Repeating, the symptoms you're unknowingly describing are not uncommon. Just last week, I had a guy 5'9", saying he has long neck and really long arms, his LOP max'd at 17-1/2" LOP with a tall comb. He still felt he needed a bit more. He went through an elaborate explanation and justification and resistant to understand via verbal communication. So, I put in a very short range self-spotting drill so it would become apparent to him that maybe being a bit turned on the gun was not great. With his hips, shoulders more square and bent at the waist, his head is less tilted, less muscle tension is required to make a solid shoulder pocket; Now he has a 14" LOP, lower comb and can see the moment of the impacts at short range (harder than 300+ were one has a bit of time to require - when using less technique)

Ya, one might have a heavy system and a light caliber... but if one tried a short-range self spotting drill with those crazy LOPs associated with turned hips on a magnum, it will point out the issue.

My intent is solely to be helpful ~ has zero to do with the chassis, actually any chasis or stock.

 

[fdkay]

https://www.mfg.com/discover/en/suppliers/Tactical-Precision-Mfg-1542316

 

[Precision Underground]

Thats a great one!


BTW I mentioned LOP solely in regards to your TWO posts that indicate you might want to think about how square you are behind ANY system. If your only 6'2" and Maxed on on a ACIS - still finding it too short AND you'd be "OK with a 20" LOP" in a other post, I'd seriously address your mechanics first.

I am going to bring this up again - because of your third post about the LOP as not an issue to think about.

Repeating, the symptoms you're unknowingly describing are not uncommon. Just last week, I had a guy 5'9", saying he has long neck and really long arms, his LOP max'd at 17-1/2" LOP with a tall comb. He still felt he needed a bit more. He went through an elaborate explanation and justification and resistant to understand via verbal communication. So, I put in a very short range self-spotting drill so it would become apparent to him that maybe being a bit turned on the gun was not great. With his hips, shoulders more square and bent at the waist, his head is less tilted, less muscle tension is required to make a solid shoulder pocket; Now he has a 14" LOP, lower comb and can see the moment of the impacts at short range (harder than 300+ were one has a bit of time to require - when using less technique)

Ya, one might have a heavy system and a light caliber... but if one tried a short-range self spotting drill with those crazy LOPs associated with turned hips on a magnum, it will point out the issue.

My intent is solely to be helpful ~ has zero to do with the chassis, actually any chasis or stock.

I appreciate it. I have practiced and verified that I am square to the rifle. I also use a line on my mat as a guide to verify that I am square a few times per session. It is not that I "need" a 20" LOP(which I don't think this chassis even has), it's that I would be fine with it if it did. If I put my hand on the front of my aics mag as if it were the grip it feels perfectly fine, actually it feels good. That would be a 21" LOP.

I can spot hits at 300 easily. I can see dirt flying at 100 but never shoot steel at 100 so I don't know if I could see the hits or not. My LOP right now is 15.5" and my right arm is bent a little more than 90 deg when on the grip. That is why I like a long LOP is to get less bend in that arm. The less bend I have the more control I have. That may not be true for everyone but it is for me. Turning my hips any which way will not change the bend angle in my right arm. I guess if i really canted to one side it may change a little but not much.

 

[Diver160651]

I appreciate it. I have practiced and verified that I am square to the rifle. I also use a line on my mat as a guide to verify that I am square a few times per session. It is not that I "need" a 20" LOP(which I don't think this chassis even has), it's that I would be fine with it if it did. If I put my hand on the front of my aics mag as if it were the grip it feels perfectly fine, actually it feels good. That would be a 21" LOP.

I can spot hits at 300 easily. I can see dirt flying at 100 but never shoot steel at 100 so I don't know if I could see the hits or not. My LOP right now is 15.5" and my right arm is bent a little more than 90 deg when on the grip. That is why I like a long LOP is to get less bend in that arm. The less bend I have the more control I have. That may not be true for everyone but it is for me. Turning my hips any which way will not change the bend angle in my right arm. I guess if i really canted to one side it may change a little but not much.

Gotcha, but what might be missing is how the small turn changes what is done with the shoulder. As we bring the shoulder forward to artificially make the pocket, the tinniest bit, really increases the need or perception of the need for longer LOP.

Internet, advise either by me, or anyone else really should NOT be more than food for thought - I get that.. Happy shooting..

 

[TripleBull]

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[Precision Underground]

Gotcha, but what might be missing is how the small turn changes what is done with the shoulder. As we bring the shoulder forward to artificially make the pocket, the tinniest bit, really increases the need or perception of the need for longer LOP.




Internet, advise either by me, or anyone else really should NOT be more than food for thought - I get that.. Happy shooting..

I get that and that’s why I think people naturally want to angle off to the side. It is a really unnatural/unathletic position to have your shoulders square with the rifle on your right shoulder with your right arm bent 100deg and the left arm tucked under to reach the bag. Even when Frank and others are doing it "right" they don't look truly square. RIght shoulder and elbow are almost always back further than the left and one higher than the other. A longer length of pull extends the arm, gives you more leverage, relaxes the shoulder, and makes it much easier to have right and left mirror each other by allowing the right shoulder to move forward some and get even with the left while still remaining relaxed and not shouldering the rifle. Lay prone and grab the front of your mag rather than your grip and you will see what I mean.

I think rifles have been designed with too short a LOP for easy "square behind the rifle" modern shooting.

Look how scrunched up he is on this rifle. Not sure who this is just a random internet pic(happens to be from a snipershide cup). NOt saying he can't shoot just that it is an unnatural position and he looks to be fighting it. The bend in the elbow is jacking his shoulder all up while trying to stay square. All my opinion BTW and my experience in building a position.

 

[Bender]

But why........

 

[Precision Underground]

But why........

Why what? The chassis?

 

[Bender]

Why what? The chassis?

Yes

 

[Precision Underground]

Yes

Apparently the idea is to house a full length barrel into a smaller sized package.

 

[Bender]

Why is it so ugly?

I mean, the doctor said that to my mom when I was born.... but she had to love me....

Why would someone buy that thing, on purpose....

 

[Bender]

I mean.... does it come with a face mask?

 

[ZEROGUY]

They couldn't even spell Cerakote correctly in the product description. Looks like a purpose built chassis for exciting one's inner ninja. I really don't see what else this offers functionally other than an expensive conversation piece for the range, and I say that without judgment.

While I can empathize with the OP's excitement over the product (plenty of times I've been giddy about something I've seen on the internet), this seems to be more a fishing expedition for a collective affirmation from the group.

 

[Bender]

Couple that with "looks like a pile of shit" from earlier and you are in the lead for most intelligent input into this conversation. Good job.
There is a ton of assumptions in this thread. I am nowhere near buying anything. I have a build in mind for sometime in the next year or so and am looking around at different shit. I get it. It is not a McMillan and you don't like it. But you have given no real reason why other than a made up LOP and a non-ergonomic bolt, which is inherent to a bullpup. So as thrilling and intuitive as that is, what else you got?

Holy crap.

You ask for opinions then get disappointed by opinions? If you want some positive affirmations about it, go to ARF.com or mallninjapro.com, don’t ask actual rifle guys about an half assed afterthought bullpup....

 

[Precision Underground]

They couldn't even spell Cerakote correctly in the product description. Looks like a purpose built chassis for exciting one's inner ninja. I really don't see what else this offers functionally other than an expensive conversation piece for the range, and I say that without judgment.

While I can empathize with the OP's excitement over the product (plenty of times I've been giddy about something I've seen on the internet), this seems to be more a fishing expedition for a collective affirmation from the group.

I am not the least bit excited about it. I had and have no intention of buying it. I dont even know for sure what caliber of rifle I am going to build next. I thought it looked interesting so I posted to get a general consensus on whether it would be accurate and durable given that I don't have much experience with different chassis's or thier inherency to be accurate and durable. What I got was mainly that it looks icky lol.

 

[ZEROGUY]

Durability and accuracy aren't things that can be judged by a consensus. Empirical data will tell you how accurate and durable they are. And since the product you are asking about hasn't even been released by the distributor (according to their own website) I think you'll have trouble finding any empirical data points regarding the unit's performance.

What you are seeing from the group here however is a consensus that it's aesthetics are lacking, and it looks to be ergonomically inferior to other bullpups or traditional stocks and chassis on the market.

The title of a thread sets the tone. If you didn't want to know what people thought, don't ask for their thoughts, and instead make a more concrete, and direct question inquiring about what it is you really want to know. You asked for thoughts and got them.

 

[Bender]

 

[hic28]

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