What does 6.5 do over 7.62?

[Makinchips208]

He's a young teen, been playing baseball since he could walk basically. Just now wants to get into long range shooting and says he wants a 308. He's a beginner shooter and I actually found a local place we can shoot out to a mile if we want. So I'm in the process of us starting that together.

I don’t know a lot about shooting to a mile.
Sometimes a kid knows what they want, whether it’s the perfect tool or not doesn’t matter cause it’s in his head.
In this case I would also try and influence him to a 6.5, less recoil, and compared to 308 you have increased chances of hits at 1 mile.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I swear to God I'm not. I'm literally just 100% ignorant to all of this. While I'm posting I have videos up on youtube binge watching caliber comparisons but it's all Greek currently.

I do find the hostility here amusing though.

First you have to understand on the Hide, that there are different levels of Gucci'fid dead. Once you have a grasp on that concept, you'll fully understand things here, some what better.

 

[Coyote-6]

So I'm not a caliber guy. 5.56/.223 and 308 is all the rifle cartridges I've ever owned.

Is the different calibers to guys the same thing as say Ford guys vs Chevy guys? I don't understand why if you shoot (using this as an example I've heard) 6.5 Creedmoor it means you have a man bun and play sword fights with other guy's cocks. I was thinking of getting a 6.5 CM for my son but I don't want to have to label him as a faggot if possible to avoid.

Can someone clear this up?

Folks in gun forums like to trash the new mainstream round. At the end of the day, it's just intra-team banter and not so serious, unless there's a side dish of ego.

 

[Ronws]

I swear to God I'm not. I'm literally just 100% ignorant to all of this. While I'm posting I have videos up on youtube binge watching caliber comparisons but it's all Greek currently.

I do find the hostility here amusing though.

Yeah, kinda proving Darwin right just a little bit with all the poo flinging.

Then there are snots who say that .243 is fine for women and children but you need a .30-06 or even a .300 Win Mag.

Same mouth breathers who will tell you that the only hand gun and caliber you need to carry us a 1911 style in .45 ACP.

Where as, I like what my LTC instructor said.

"I have here a .45 ACP, a 9 mm, and a .380. Which one do you want me to shoot you with?"

Different calibers and styles of bullets have different uses.

So, the best way is to start with what the job is. Ringing steel or holes in paper at long distance? Then you need a sleek bullet that floats easily and disintegrates on impact. Lower recoil rifles also allow you to see the wind trace of the trajectory because the muzzle flip is minimal.

Want to hunt game animals? Check with state regs. For example, in Texas on public land, you rifle hunt deer with no smaller than a .243 Win. And many have used that. Eaching succeeding bullet and caliber size can, in general, do a little more.

It would seem that .308 (7.62 x 51 mm NATO) would be one of the worst performers. It is subject to wind influence. Doesn't have the powder capacity of a .30-06, the nearest comparable bullet.

Anyway, crunching numbers of the average factory ammo, such as I have, the Federal Fusion 165 gr in .308 drops below 2,000 fps a little past 300 yards. True, some bullets may petal fully below 2k fps but I want to idiot proof myself. But if you have hunting situations that are always that close, go ahead. If you need some more distance, you can try the 7s. or a .30-06. .300 Win Mag can go quite a ways. Also, the more precise barrels can have a shorter life. So, if hunting, just be aware of that. The .308 might be short-ranged but it will go for 5k rounds fired before loosening up in accuracy.

 

[TheOE800]

If I’m thinking of the same thing you are I think they were 169 smk’s

I don’t quite remember, you might be right - it was definitely a newer bullet though. I know we discussed A-tips too.

 

[Bhobbs]

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I shoot the 7.6 Creedmoor Plus. It’s too bad people don’t know about it.

 

[Makinchips208]

What are you shooting? What distance? What hit probability do you need?

I’m shooting 308.
My practical limits are 800 yards.
Hit probability? High.

I also personally wouldnt mess with 308 or 6.5 at 1 mile.

Here is a 308, old school stock, fixed power scope, only using holdovers. Very high hit ratio. Yeah yeah I know you will diss on it, but it’s proof that 308 is and has been capable for a long time. I like 6.5 though too, on those days when the woman in me is vibrant.

Skip to 13ish minute mark for the 710 yard shots.

 

[Fig]

 

[carbonbased]

Hey now my AI identifies as a 308 as well and that little 20” barrel has made it to 1000 on steel with 168s no less

#12poundboltliftgang

Yes, obv @KCode could solve all of his indecision by buying an AI in sage green (Lord’s color) with two barrels.

Chambered in .300 Savage & 7-30 Waters. Duh

#12poundboltliftgang meets
#7axisDremel

 

[LeftyJason]

Gentlemen, please remember this is still in Bolt Action and not the Bear Pit.

@KCode. In all seriousness. 6.5 creed being manbun, 260 Remington being master race, 6gt being the gay tiger (among other comparisons) are internet isms native to here (as far as I know). 260 rem vs 6.5 creed are basically identical cousins from different companies. 308 vs 6.5 for hunting purposes 6.5 shoots a little faster, bit better bc, lot less barrel life. For LE purposes 308 is better because of better bullet choices for barrier penetration that only really arises in LE Situations. There was a recent thread in the Private section that talks about it in better detail but you have to be a Supporter to see it. For 800 and in it doesn't matter as much. Beyond, 6.5 is better but then you are getting into the range of something else being better.

Get your son what you think is good. Don't go into analysis paralysis. Real world he won't get bullied. 1 caliber vs another doesnt matter as much unless you are looking at extremes (223rem vs 338 lapua). They all have benefits and trade offs.

Most of the above is good natured ribbing on the forum (especially all of the gay references you see on the Hide). I only know of 1 guy on the Hide that actually is gay (awesome dude) and I haven't seen him in a bit.

The only things we will really try to steer you away from is Savage bolt guns. They shoot good but the whole experience leaves something to be desired. Most everybody else does pretty good.

 

[1000 cliks]

Well I'm mad and intrigued at the same time. I'm a die hard 308cal guy and had all intentions of dying with that caliber of old age. But on here you guys kept and kept pushing me towards 6.5 Creedmoor so I at least looked into why I shouldn't do it.

Less recoil, less powder usage, bullets are about $10 cheaper per 100.

Last leg I had to stand on was MIL and LE still use the 308 for sniper usage though. But then I found out SOCOM is wanting to go to 6.5 Creedmoor over 308 due to it being a more effective round.

So is a 308cal really just old tech that still gets it done but there are better options out there?

Does the 6.5 Creedmoor really do better at target shooting?

Is the 6.5 Creedmoor really more effective than 308 on 2 legged threats?

The 308 is a great round for le work which is usually within 100yds but for flatter shooting cost and recoil there's no comparison the 6.5 wins hands down

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

I’m shooting 308.
My practical limits are 800 yards.
Hit probability? High.

I also personally wouldnt mess with 308 or 6.5 at 1 mile.

Here is a 308, old school stock, fixed power scope, only using holdovers. Very high hit ratio. Yeah yeah I know you will diss on it, but it’s proof that 308 is and has been capable for a long time. I like 6.5 though too, on those days when the woman in me is vibrant.

Skip to 13ish minute mark for the 710 yard shots.

Want to know something funny. I have shot with the 2 Marine Corps shooting team PRS guys a few times in the last year. Both are awesome dudes.

The one shooting .308 i usually beat. The one shooting a 6mm, beats me. I am using a 6.5cm or 6GT. Not a military trained sniper, just a regular vet bro. Both are some of the best shooters in the entire Marine Corps. Sometimes the Sniper school house instructors would come out, and we would stomp a hole in their ass. Like I would be embarrassed if I were them, bad. Same thing with a few JSOC guys who come out to play, who are very good shooters in their own right. Bring out that new 308 MK22 and be lucky to hit half as many targets as everyone else.

Being a sniper does not make someone a good shooter and being stuck with 308 is not their choice. My best man went to SOTIC and spent 4 years in regiment in recce/snipers. I can shoot circles around him. They run the shitty gear they are issued and actual shooting is such a small part of their job duties. We shoot because we love it. We spend our own money to learn and get better because its a hobby. Something you are paid to do vs something you are willing to pay to do.

People can keep repeating the same bullshit but it doesn't make it true.

At 800 yards a 6.5CM will stomp the piss out of a 308 with hit probability. As wind speed increases it only gets worse. As I posted earlier about the best shooters and seeing the difference in hit percentage (most PRS shots are inside 800). Its not an opinion, its a mathematical fact. The guy shooting the 308 has to be leaps and bounds a better shooter, reader of wind and corrective shooter to even shoot near the same level. At the top level, no amount of skill can overcome the equipment differences.

308 was used because that was the only option. It was never optimal and since the adoption of the .308 as a military cartridge snipers have been modifying or trying new equipment to get more range and capability out of the cucked round. Hathcock used a M2 50 with a scope to get more range. Guys were using commercial hunting rifle in 7mm and 300wm to get more capability. I had a whole armory full of NSW sniper rifles at one time in a previous job and almost none of them were in 308. Blah blah blah i could rattle this shit off for hours and its not going to make a difference.

Anyone who plans to shoot past about 400 yards today is a fool to buy a 308. You can get something cheaper, easier to shoot, more capable, with less recoil that will dramatically increase your ability to hit things once you learn how to shoot.

So stop saying 308 is fine to 800. That's like saying 22LR is fine to 800. Fine for what? Compared to what? Its an ignorant statement.

 

[DocRDS]

I’m gunna piss off a few, but that’s kinda my thing so…..

.308 and 6.5 to 800 are equal.

Anything past 800 the 6.5 kicks it ass.

LE uses .308 because 100% of thier engagements are under 500yds.

Mil uses 6.5 because +800

Any random dude (us) can use either. Because WHO THE FUCK CARES.

You guys are like “Validate my bias, or I feel funny” type retards. I want shot with neither .308 or 6.5.

Bender with the mic drop. (and 100% correct)

DickinthemouthBeforeDismount and BurtG/DeerSniper/AltoftheWeek are know trolls who I cannot understand why are allowed to shit in the technical forums (repeatadly after bans). Yup I participated in the shenanigans, but every fucking thread these guys touch turns to ass. Its an embarrassment to the hide.

You know I had an argument yesterday with somone in the technical forums. No names called, No manhood called out, No swearing, No dicks were measured and in the end we just disagreed. Everyone here is a certified door kicking special forces 20 year vet of the sandbox with their personal warfighting kit. Except me.

I don't give a shit, show me data or gtfo.

But this asshole macho shit for basic questions is gonna be the end of the Hide--reminds me of M4Carbine--they got so fucking full of themselves it just became an endless circle jerk and they drove off Industry Experts with good knowledge because they couldn't keep their hands to themselves.

I am frequently reminded I have to dumb down my talks at work. For MDs (because they don't do what I do). Its a specialist forum. Remember that.

Dumbshits

 

[KCode]

Want to know something funny. I have shot with the 2 Marine Corps shooting team PRS guys a few times in the last year. Both are awesome dudes.

The one shooting .308 i usually beat. The one shooting a 6mm, beats me. I am using a 6.5cm or 6GT. Not a military trained sniper, just a regular vet bro. Both are some of the best shooters in the entire Marine Corps. Sometimes the Sniper school house instructors would come out, and we would stomp a hole in their ass. Like I would be embarrassed if I were them, bad. Same thing with a few JSOC guys who come out to play, who are very good shooters in their own right. Bring out that new 308 MK22 and be lucky to hit half as many targets as everyone else.

Being a sniper does not make someone a good shooter and being stuck with 308 is not their choice. My best man went to SOTIC and spent 4 years in regiment in recce/snipers. I can shoot circles around him. They run the shitty gear they are issued and actual shooting is such a small part of their job duties. We shoot because we love it. We spend our own money to learn and get better because its a hobby. Something you are paid to do vs something you are willing to pay to do.

People can keep repeating the same bullshit but it doesn't make it true.

At 800 yards a 6.5CM will stomp the piss out of a 308 with hit probability. As wind speed increases it only gets worse. As I posted earlier about the best shooters and seeing the difference in hit percentage (most PRS shots are inside 800). Its not an opinion, its a mathematical fact. The guy shooting the 308 has to be leaps and bounds a better shooter, reader of wind and corrective shooter to even shoot near the same level. At the top level, no amount of skill can overcome the equipment differences.

308 was used because that was the only option. It was never optimal and since the adoption of the .308 as a military cartridge snipers have been modifying or trying new equipment to get more range and capability out of the cucked round. Hathcock used a M2 50 with a scope to get more range. Guys were using commercial hunting rifle in 7mm and 300wm to get more capability. I had a whole armory full of NSW sniper rifles at one time in a previous job and almost none of them were in 308. Blah blah blah i could rattle this shit off for hours and its not going to make a difference.

Anyone who plans to shoot past about 400 yards today is a fool to buy a 308. You can get something cheaper, easier to shoot, more capable, with less recoil that will dramatically increase your ability to hit things once you learn how to shoot.

So stop saying 308 is fine to 800. That's like saying 22LR is fine to 800. Fine for what? Compared to what? Its an ignorant statement.

Holy fuck me raw on a Sunday morning, you posted something worth reading. Why all the worthless garbage drag through before getting something with knowledge in it?

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

The 308 is a great round for le work which is usually within 100yds but for flatter shooting cost and recoil there's no comparison the 6.5 wins hands down

Exactly. If there was a .260 or 6.5cm or 6 cm cartridge that:

1. Had the bullet selection and quality we have with 308 open air and barrier rounds with their performance
2. Had similar barrel life

Then LE would be using them instead. They are easier to shoot, easier to train people, easier to shoot from compromised positions and increase the hit probability at longer ranges in the very rare case that kind of shot needs to be taken.

What LE and what Big DOD use should be the last thing a shooter is worried about when selecting a long range cartridge.

 

[Makinchips208]

Want to know something funny. I have shot with the 2 Marine Corps shooting team PRS guys a few times in the last year. Both are awesome dudes.

The one shooting .308 i usually beat. The one shooting a 6mm, beats me. I am using a 6.5cm or 6GT. Not a military trained sniper, just a regular vet bro. Both are some of the best shooters in the entire Marine Corps. Sometimes the Sniper school house instructors would come out, and we would stomp a hole in their ass. Like I would be embarrassed if I were them, bad. Same thing with a few JSOC guys who come out to play, who are very good shooters in their own right. Bring out that new 308 MK22 and be lucky to hit half as many targets as everyone else.

Being a sniper does not make someone a good shooter and being stuck with 308 is not their choice. My best man went to SOTIC and spent 4 years in regiment in recce/snipers. I can shoot circles around him. They run the shitty gear they are issued and actual shooting is such a small part of their job duties. We shoot because we love it. We spend our own money to learn and get better because its a hobby. Something you are paid to do vs something you are willing to pay to do.

People can keep repeating the same bullshit but it doesn't make it true.

At 800 yards a 6.5CM will stomp the piss out of a 308 with hit probability. As wind speed increases it only gets worse. As I posted earlier about the best shooters and seeing the difference in hit percentage (most PRS shots are inside 800). Its not an opinion, its a mathematical fact. The guy shooting the 308 has to be leaps and bounds a better shooter, reader of wind and corrective shooter to even shoot near the same level. At the top level, no amount of skill can overcome the equipment differences.

308 was used because that was the only option. It was never optimal and since the adoption of the .308 as a military cartridge snipers have been modifying or trying new equipment to get more range and capability out of the cucked round. Hathcock used a M2 50 with a scope to get more range. Guys were using commercial hunting rifle in 7mm and 300wm to get more capability. I had a whole armory full of NSW sniper rifles at one time in a previous job and almost none of them were in 308. Blah blah blah i could rattle this shit off for hours and its not going to make a difference.

Anyone who plans to shoot past about 400 yards today is a fool to buy a 308. You can get something cheaper, easier to shoot, more capable, with less recoil that will dramatically increase your ability to hit things once you learn how to shoot.

So stop saying 308 is fine to 800. That's like saying 22LR is fine to 800. Fine for what? Compared to what? Its an ignorant statement.

I’m gonna say it…. 308 actually is fine to 800.
(At 801 and beyond it is a bad choice.)

How is that like saying 22lr good to 800? Isn’t that kinda inferring that 22lr and 308 are comparable?

 

[hafejd30]

@KCode

All that’s left to do now is start a new thread on which rifle to get

You can:

Ask whats a great first rifle for under $1000

We will:

Tell you to build your own then get into a huge pissing match of which action you should get and confuse the hell out of you for 6 pages

Then the tikka guys will throw fists with the R700/Bergara and Howa shooters

The AI guys will tell you to go be a poor elsewhere

Well suggest everything that isn’t even close to $1000. But tell you to drop it in a KRG bravo and make you think you somehow just saved a ton

In the end you’ll cry yourself to sleep knowing the only way to be happy is to save for an AXSR in 300 Norma topped with a ZCO and a thunderbeast hanging off the end. Which eventually you buy, post a pic with a Harris hanging under the forend and we’ll stomp you like a bug for even thinking you can shoot with that

In the mean time to pacify yourself you’ll just buy a Cabelas special savage and we’ll see you in the gunsmithing session for ejection issues in a couple weeks

All cause you wanted to save a couple extra $$ on that AI….

 

[Crgchck]

Would the longer thinner 6.5 bullet not attribute to massive tumbling similar to 5.45x39 once it hits tissue? The 308s seem to mainly mushroom.

If we are going with tumbling tissue damage, why are we not talking about Brit 303... i personally love them both 6.5 and .308 just depends on what I’m doing..I have loved the 6.5’s since the .260 came out.. shootability comes into large play with old ass people as well as small people.. I was small until I got old and fat.. seems the 6.5 cartridges were always a pleasure to shoot but still love the thump of a .308 cal bullet.. my .300PRC has been the best manageable larger .308 I’ve got and do take it for large game longer range hunting.
I’m really of no help!! I love them all from 6.5-.500 for various applications.

 

[Huskydriver]

@KCode

All that’s left to do now is start a new thread on which rifle to get

You can:

Ask whats a great first rifle for under $1000

We will:

Tell you to build your own then get into a huge pissing match of which action you should get and confuse the hell out of you for 6 pages

Then the tikka guys will throw fists with the R700/Bergara and Howa shooters

The AI guys will tell you to go be a poor elsewhere

Well suggest everything that isn’t even close to $1000. But tell you to drop it in a KRG bravo and make you think you somehow just saved a ton

In the end you’ll cry yourself to sleep knowing the only way to be happy is to save for an AXSR in 300 Norma topped with a ZCO and a thunderbeast hanging off the end. Which eventually you buy, post a pic with a Harris hanging under the forend and we’ll stomp you like a bug for even thinking you can shoot with that

In the mean time to pacify yourself you’ll just buy a Cabelas special savage and we’ll see you in the gunsmithing session for ejection issues in a couple weeks

All cause you wanted to save a couple extra $$ on that AI….
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[BurtG]

Bender with the mic drop. (and 100% correct)

Hahahahahahaha

65 has much greater bit probability than 308. Way inside 800

I swear y’all plink at rocks and steel and discount all the misses.



#tbhisiswhyscoredcompsmatter

#whyyouthinkthemk20isin65now

 

[BurtG]

don't give a shit, show me data or gtfo.

 

[Supersubes]

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I did this earlier in the thread and equalized the velocities between them (Shot the 6.5 very slow), and its a fucking slaughter. The 6.5 advantage begins at the firing pin fall.

 

[hafejd30]

OP,

What optic you thinking of going with?

Mil or MOA?

 

[Ronws]

I have found that the best way to start a shit storm is a two step process. Procedure and timing.

Step 1. Post something. Anything
step 2. Do it on a day that ends in the letter 'y'

Sometimes, I am reminded of the scene from "The Wild Ones."

Pastor - "What are you rebelling against?"

biker - "What do you got?"

 

[45-90]

Is that 277 fury?

Its a 308 Win with necked up 277 hybrid cases, to increase 308 velocities. The 22" does 2740 fps with the 200 SMK with Lapua cases and 2874 with hybrid cases. Today the 185 gr Berger has too low of a BC to even consider, like the 168 SMK. But the Berger 208 hybrid is interesting, but never in stock. The new 169 and 177 have better BC, today to help out those who want to shoot those, they are old school and still work. But better options are available in 200 to 230 gr with .715 BC to .8+ BC. There are a few 308 guys pushing 200 gr Flatline Bullets to 2900 fps in 30" barrels. I have a 30" 8 twist for this purpose, the lathe turned copper are very long with very high BC requiring a fast twist, I run 8 & 9 twist barrels in 308.
Step into the future with the 308 Win...not the backwards with the 6.5 CM shooting .6 BC 140 gr Berger Hybrids with H4350 2750 fps average, or dismal Hornady factory loads that are way over rated in velocity when fired in everyday 20 to 24 inch barrels, or 18" AR getting barely 2500 fps with factory ammo. But that pathetic factory 6.5 CM ammo can be juiced up too by reloading with RL 26 and hybrid cases...thats how I shoot mine. The 277 Fury idea is the way to the future, with small arms. Although short it my be, with AI, robots, & laser weapons....that civilians won't have access to. The future is short, shoot whatever ya like, how ya like, have it your way.
Here, egos, old opinion, and common think ideas, denies reality, and rules the page. Mine is the new the best cartridge or rifle attitude, limited in scope and imagination. Let's test that theory. New developments come from not accepting the norm, but challenging it.
Just got 16 lbs of special powder delivered, see ya...none gives a shit what you shoot. But maybe your shit could be improved up on...

 

[stanley_white]

The rage against the 6.5 Creedmoor is people being angry that the cartridge is good enough for enough things that, in a practical sense, their need to test / experiment / explore / spend more money is harder to justify.

#MindBomb



-Stan

 

[carbonbased]

Its a 308 Win with necked up 277 hybrid cases, to increase 308 velocities. The 22" does 2740 fps with the 200 SMK with Lapua cases and 2874 with hybrid cases. Today the 185 gr Berger has too low of a BC to even consider, like the 168 SMK. But the Berger 208 hybrid is interesting, but never in stock. The new 169 and 177 have better BC, today to help out those who want to shoot those, they are old school and still work. But better options are available in 200 to 230 gr with .715 BC to .8+ BC. There are a few 308 guys pushing 200 gr Flatline Bullets to 2900 fps in 30" barrels. I have a 30" 8 twist for this purpose, the lathe turned copper are very long with very high BC requiring a fast twist, I run 8 & 9 twist barrels in 308.
Step into the future with the 308 Win...not the backwards with the 6.5 CM shooting .6 BC 140 gr Berger Hybrids with H4350 2750 fps average, or dismal Hornady factory loads that are way over rated in velocity when fired in everyday 20 to 24 inch barrels, or 18" AR getting barely 2500 fps with factory ammo. But that pathetic factory 6.5 CM ammo can be juiced up too by reloading with RL 26 and hybrid cases...thats how I shoot mine. The 277 Fury idea is the way to the future, with small arms. Although short it my be, with AI, robots, & laser weapons....that civilians won't have access to. The future is short, shoot whatever ya like, how ya like, have it your way.
Here, egos, old opinion, and common think ideas, denies reality, and rules the page. Mine is the new the best cartridge or rifle attitude, limited in scope and imagination. Let's test that theory. New developments come from not accepting the norm, but challenging it.
Just got 16 lbs of special powder delivered, see ya...none gives a shit what you shoot. But maybe your shit could be improved up on...

You just gotta press the return button twice after each paragraph in order to get a line break.

You’ll get more people to read your posts, believe me. “Walls of text” are darn hard to read.

Maybe your computer/browser combo is showing you line breaks occurring in your posts, but I ain’t seeing them.

Just trying to help.

 

[45-90]

You just gotta press the return button twice after each paragraph in order to get a line break.

You’ll get more people to read your posts, believe me. “Walls of text” are darn hard to read.

Maybe your computer/browser combo is showing you line breaks occurring in your posts, but I ain’t seeing them.

Just trying to help.

You are correct, it would be easier to read. But its also should be noted, that secret coded messages inside the cluttered text, are left behind for the careful reader, to contemplate.

 

[cas6969]

You can shoot smaller outside to outside groups with the 6.5 than you can with the .308

 

[Supersubes]

You just gotta press the return button twice after each paragraph in order to get a line break.

You’ll get more people to read your posts, believe me. “Walls of text” are darn hard to read.

Maybe your computer/browser combo is showing you line breaks occurring in your posts, but I ain’t seeing them.

Just trying to help.

I think there’s a different reason for his posts being hard to read.

 

[Long Range 338]

The people who actually shoot people for a living are already using 6.5cm and other calibers suited to the role. What big army or dod uses for small arms is almost irrelevant. It's the least casualty producing weapon on the battlefield , soldiers have garbage marksmanship training and tools, and the cost to change is not worth it. What the military is using has zero relevance on the efficacy and benefit to competitive shooters and LR shooters.

Anytime someone brings up what the military is using in these types of discussions you instantly know they have no fucking idea what they are talking about.

Who shoot more people for a living than LEO?

Where was ANYONE talking about LEO? You are either too stupid to understand this or purposely moving the goal posts. Just stop you are making yourself look dumber with every post.

I love how you take my posts out of context and then have the balls to tell me Im tailoring data to my narrative. You would make a great democrat politician. Its amazing some of you have survived this long. Natural selection has been cheated.

You are ranting yourself in circles here in the name of providing "valuable knowledge".

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Who shoot more people for a living than LEO?



You are ranting yourself in circles here in the name of providing "valuable knowledge".

A day late a dollar short and already addressed. Read the whole thread before showing your ass there princess.

 

[Long Range 338]

A day late a dollar short and already addressed. Read the whole thread before showing your ass there princess.

Are you high?

 

[Long Range 338]

@DeathBeforeDismount You asked where anybody was talking about LEO and I simply showed you that you had....

I understand your meds may need updated but that is no reason to force the SH community to suffer the painful process.

You call others names and curse while denigrating and making accusations of low IQ. I kindly offer that the lack of ability to have rational conversations appears to be a symptom of the same.

We can disagree without being disagreeable. Try it sometime.

 

[cas6969]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaait.....is DbD a member of the High Table?


I wonder if his assassin name is 'Flintlock'

Probably of French ancestry, or so it would seem.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Decendent of Scottish royalty if you really want to know. We got real good at killing and branded war mongers. Helped robert the bruce win independence and commanded his calvary. Became a political threat so the nobles eventually banded together and stole my ancestors castle and lands years later. They came to the America's in the 17th century and have fought in every war since then. We like violence.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

@DeathBeforeDismount You asked where anybody was talking about LEO and I simply showed you that you had....

I understand your meds may need updated but that is no reason to force the SH community to suffer the painful process.

You call others names and curse while denigrating and making accusations of low IQ. I kindly offer that the lack of ability to have rational conversations appears to be a symptom of the same.

We can disagree without being disagreeable. Try it sometime.

Sorry you aren't capable like some others here of keeping up with the discussion. It's clearly outside your ability to understand. I'm responding to insults, if people want a civil conversation then they should try to have a honest discussion instead of the same 8-10 assholes who troll in every thread I post. You coming in 5 pages later not havening read through nor understanding the context of the discussion serves no purpose than to repeate bullshit lies and things already addressed earlier. If you want honest discussion or debate, then tell me how I'm wrong. Not one of you shitheels has attacked the content of my posts which are more detailed than needed but for some....it needs to be broken down on a 3rd grade level for them to understand. You just take some bulletin board statement out of context then sling your own brand of shit.

So fuck you if you want a civil conversation then start out by posting something relevant to the actual discussion. Explain how I am wrong. Try and change my mind. Use logic and reason and facts instead of feelings. You can start by stop playing a victim who is offended when no one was even talking to you in the first place.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

You also forgot where he said



So he's talking about "people who actually shoot people for a living"

But not LEO or Military.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaait.....is DbD a member of the High Table?


I wonder if his assassin name is 'Flintlock'

Still can't grasp anything after 5 pages. There is a saying you can't reason with morons.

Please keep going on... you have only repeated yourself 5 times now. Let's try for 6 and see if that works.

 

[Makinchips208]

The local hospital has a mental ward on the 5th floor.
This is page 5. Aka, the 5th floor.

Can I leave? I’m really not as loony as I sound.

 

[Long Range 338]

Sorry you aren't capable like some others here of keeping up with the discussion. It's clearly outside your ability to understand. I'm responding to insults, if people want a civil conversation then they should try to have a honest discussion instead of the same 8-10 assholes who troll in every thread I post. You coming in 5 pages later not havening read through nor understanding the context of the discussion serves no purpose than to repeate bullshit lies and things already addressed earlier. If you want honest discussion or debate, then tell me how I'm wrong. Not one of you shitheels has attacked the content of my posts which are more detailed than needed but for some....it needs to be broken down on a 3rd grade level for them to understand. You just take some bulletin board statement out of context then sling your own brand of shit.

So fuck you if you want a civil conversation then start out by posting something relevant to the actual discussion. Explain how I am wrong. Try and change my mind. Use logic and reason and facts instead of feelings. You can start by stop playing a victim who is offended when no one was even talking to you in the first place.

Did you read the post you quoted? I explained exactly what I was posting. Even after 5 pages you didn’t understand why LEO was brought into the discussion. I pointed it out for you. In a civil manner I might add.

Again you resort to name calling and cursing while proclaiming your intellectual superiority. Consider me unimpressed.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Did you read the post you quoted? I explained exactly what I was posting. Even after 5 pages you didn’t understand why LEO was brought into the discussion. I pointed it out for you. In a civil manner I might add.

Again you resort to name calling and cursing while proclaiming your intellectual superiority. Consider me unimpressed.

You are either repeating shit to troll or asking questions THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED, which if you read the thread, this would be apparent.

I didn't bring LEO into the discussion. Someone else did.

I made a post that relates PRS shooting showing the difference in performance between 308 and 6.5CM/6mms for hit percentage in practical LR shooting.

CAPTNEMO posted some bullshit about military 260 and 308s. I responded how people who shoot people for a living (IE JSOC and SOCOM) are already using 6.5CM and other ballistically superior rounds. I did not spell this out but assumed people understood the distinction, which I later clarified. Then I explained a bit about how the difference between 308 and 6.5cm or whatever doesn't matter in big DOD anyway since its an very small percentage of the casualties inflicted. So to clear this up for those slow on the uptake, the boys who "Shoot people for a living" Are the pipe hitters in JSOC who actually engage in small arms fights, and they have been using rounds like the .260 and 6.5cm for over a decade. Then I said anyone who brings up what the military is using as a justification for anything should be ignored. The military being big DOD which is almost what anyone who references it talking about. What part of this is hard to understand?

The Stevo86 makes a smart ass post at the shitbag troll Abr31c or whatever starts talking shit. Then the retard mcameron starts with his bullshit becuase like the others, is not intellegent enough to grasp what is being said. The Bender and the same band of 5-10 idiots who troll and add zero to this site start jumping in, just being their usualy shitbag selves.

So my appologies for not breaking every post down so a 1st grader can understand this. I was responding to some who were trolling and some who were making actual statements. There is alot of bullshit in this thread that needed to be corrected, and honestly ignored most of it.

Then you come in here and do nothing but add fuel to the fire and then try to take the high road. Its diengeious.

If you want to pick apart my arguement go ahead, If you dont like what I have to say or how I say it, Too bad. I got a thick skin and could give 2 shits what a bunch of randos on the internet think. But dont throw insults then pretend to be a victium who is taking the high road. Thats some pussy ass troll shit as bad as the shitbags above.

I'm not trying to impress you. Your opinion means nothing to me. So unless you have some new information or something to add, then feel free to step aside.

Nuance, context, details. They matter.

 

[stanley_white]

Everyone knows that "308" stands for "30 Caliber at 800 Yards."

-Stan

 

[CheapBasterd]

This thread delivers.

Honestly I bought my 6.5 over the .308 because it sounded cooler to say "Six Five CreeeeeedMooooor"

I punch paper and ping plates and hoping to do so at 800+ yards. Figured 6.5 fits that requirement with less effort.

 

[Long Range 338]

You are either repeating shit to troll or asking questions THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED, which if you read the thread, this would be apparent.

I didn't bring LEO into the discussion. Someone else did.

I made a post that relates PRS shooting showing the difference in performance between 308 and 6.5CM/6mms for hit percentage in practical LR shooting.

CAPTNEMO posted some bullshit about military 260 and 308s. I responded how people who shoot people for a living (IE JSOC and SOCOM) are already using 6.5CM and other ballistically superior rounds. I did not spell this out but assumed people understood the distinction, which I later clarified. Then I explained a bit about how the difference between 308 and 6.5cm or whatever doesn't matter in big DOD anyway since its an very small percentage of the casualties inflicted. So to clear this up for those slow on the uptake, the boys who "Shoot people for a living" Are the pipe hitters in JSOC who actually engage in small arms fights, and they have been using rounds like the .260 and 6.5cm for over a decade. Then I said anyone who brings up what the military is using as a justification for anything should be ignored. The military being big DOD which is almost what anyone who references it talking about. What part of this is hard to understand?

The Stevo86 makes a smart ass post at the shitbag troll Abr31c or whatever starts talking shit. Then the retard mcameron starts with his bullshit becuase like the others, is not intellegent enough to grasp what is being said. The Bender and the same band of 5-10 idiots who troll and add zero to this site start jumping in, just being their usualy shitbag selves.

So my appologies for not breaking every post down so a 1st grader can understand this. I was responding to some who were trolling and some who were making actual statements. There is alot of bullshit in this thread that needed to be corrected, and honestly ignored most of it.

Then you come in here and do nothing but add fuel to the fire and then try to take the high road. Its diengeious.

If you want to pick apart my arguement go ahead, If you dont like what I have to say or how I say it, Too bad. I got a thick skin and could give 2 shits what a bunch of randos on the internet think. But dont throw insults then pretend to be a victium who is taking the high road. Thats some pussy ass troll shit as bad as the shitbags above.

I'm not trying to impress you. Your opinion means nothing to me. So unless you have some new information or something to add, then feel free to step aside.

Nuance, context, details. They matter.

Dude, first take a breath. Now try to understand that every person in the world has their own opinion and is entitled to it.

You ask questions but refuse to make that half step to connect the dots to understand what is being put before you and immediately jump to the conclusion that everything is a slight or insult. It’s not.

Nuance, context, and details do matter. Not only when they come out of your mouth but those around you as well. If you submit an idea and it is open to interpretation or context, don’t be upset when other inquiring minds take a logical step down that pathway of thought.

Your assumptions and major attitude are taking you to extremes when none is needed. We all appreciate a little sarcasm here and there but you are the most difficult person I’ve ever had the displeasure of trying to communicate with.

Again with the insults and name calling. What would your mother think?

 

[KCode]

Gotta figure out what the son's first rifle will be in 6.5 CM...

Howa 1500

Ruger American

CVA Cascade

*new production and good to go* Remington 700

 

[carbonbased]

Gotta figure out what the son's first rifle will be in 6.5 CM...

Howa 1500

Ruger American

CVA Cascade

*new production and good to go* Remington 700

Tikka. Although I don’t know anything about the Cascade. Should be in the convo, however.

 

[stanley_white]

Gotta figure out what the son's first rifle will be in 6.5 CM...

Howa 1500

Ruger American

CVA Cascade

*new production and good to go* Remington 700

I own the Howa 1500 in 6.5 and have taken it out to 1,205 yards.

I chose Howa over Tikka due to being able to field strip the Howa bolt without tools, liking the Howa’s one piece bolt design more, liking Howa’s integrated recoil lug design more, and wanting to avoid Beretta’s horrible customer service reputation if my Tikka needed it.

Others will surely disagree with me and I am okay with that.

-Stan

 

[Makinchips208]

Tikka. Although I don’t know anything about the Cascade. Should be in the convo, however.

I think the cascade has a Bergara barrel ?

 

[KCode]

Tikka.

No way Jose

 

[carbonbased]

I think the cascade has a Bergara barrel ?

Seems to be owned by the same company that Bergara is (bpioutdoors.com).