What happened to the scouts?

[vinniedelpino]

So the scouts have taken a turn for the worse. Frankly it's been watered down to the point where I don't really care. Between allowing girls to join and pedo issues I've given up.

Do you guys think there'd be any interest in a new organization more along the lines of what scouts used to be? I'm thinking of an all male organization that teaches boys how to become men. REAL MEN. I'm thinking a loose network of individual charters. I'd like to see:

1. A big emphasis on community service
2. Hunting, fishing and survival skills
3. Basic financial management
4. Basic home repair, appliance repair, auto/small engine repair etc.
5. Physical fitness standards
6. Possibly a little boxing, wrestling etc.
7. REAL CAMPING. No trailers, four course meals or any of that. You get one pack, load it up with what you need and that's it.
8. A variety of DIY project exposure, application for critical thinking and hands on problem solving not found in a traditional classroom.
9. Introduction to outdoor sports like shooting, archery etc.
10. An introduction to the legal process, legislation and taxation.

We have way too many single moms raising kids and a trend towards boys growing up to be soft. I don't like where this is headed now that the scouts have crumbled. Support would come through the local community and in the form of sharing experience rather than financial contributions. I'm talking local tradesmen, attorneys, contractors, avid hunters/fishermen/shooters etc.

Do you guys think there'd be any interest in this? I'm seriously considering starting a 501(c)(3) to try to get the ball rolling on something like this. It'd be volunteer only. No payroll, no perks or benefits other than the satisfaction of giving back to the community. Each charter would operate as an independent entity that is free to request grants from the parent NPO for liability purposes.

Any input is appreciated.

 

[Jscb1b]

Good luck brother.

 

[nso123]

The Scouts sold out to the cancel culture. In our area there is a new group called Trail Life that has popped up. It seems to be more like the original Scouts.

 

[slowagon]

Please don't take this the wrong way but...
It's called being a good dad.
Raise up your child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it.
Part of being a good dad is also being a good husband.

The single mother scenario is understandable. Both my sons have friends with single moms. I've included these boys in some of the things we've done but mostly through activities associated with my church.

IMHO this is exactly the role of a church in the local community. A good church. We do annual mens camping trips (extremely primitive style), shooting events, sports days, and even hunting events in small selective groups. Church work days touch on every labour skill you mentioned.

Sorry in advance if this reply is too taboo.

 

[rhsc]

I just searched using the words "Boy Scouts Alternatives" and got a lot of articles listing organizations that are exactly that, both secular and religious. You might want to check out some of them and see if any already are doing what you describe. No sense in re-inventing the wheel if you don't have to - but if you want to start up your own group, then good on ya, man.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Please don't take this the wrong way but...
It's called being a good dad.
Raise up your child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it.
Part of being a good dad is also being a good husband.

The single mother scenario is understandable. Both my sons have friends with single moms. I've included these boys in some of the things we've done but mostly through activities associated with my church.

IMHO this is exactly the role of a church in the local community. A good church. We do annual mens camping trips (extremely primitive style), shooting events, sports days, and even hunting events in small selective groups. Church work days touch on every labour skill you mentioned.

Sorry in advance if this reply is too taboo.

Not taboo at all. And I agree with the Church being a valuable resource in this context. I wouldn't want the organization to be denominational though. While I agree with what you said about fathers taking the reigns, each generation has less and less fathers with the experience and knowledge to pass on to their sons. This would be more about filling in the gaps lost along the way.

I'm 35 and I have plenty of neighbors in my generation that can barely change a lightbulb. It sounds like you're doing the right thing so this wouldn't necessarily apply to you.

 

[Mudburner]

The camp located near me is the oldest BSA camp west of the Mississippi. I volunteered and tought primitive skills two summers, 2017 & 2018.

They had 6 one week periods, giving each group one week. There are different age groups of kids, from little guys (cub scouts) all the way to eagle scouts 15&16 year olds.

I have spent a lot of time in & around the Army and at times I had to remind myself these older kids are not soldiers... A lot of them are HUGE full grown guys at age 15! Anyway...

You will need some sort of facilities to support a training mission. Car repair shop with tools, welding shop, class rooms, kitchen facilities, etc. The local camp is about 400 acres of woods, trails, river, with LOTS of buildings. Maintenance on it all is huge, with not much budget.

The camp closed down completely because of Covid.

I would support something like what you describe, if it were in my area.

 

[slowagon]

Not taboo at all. And I agree with the Church being a valuable resource in this context. I wouldn't want the organization to be denominational though. While I agree with what you said about fathers taking the reigns, each generation has less and less fathers with the experience and knowledge to pass on to their sons. This would be more about filling in the gaps lost along the way.

I'm 35 and I have plenty of neighbors in my generation that can barely change a lightbulb. It sounds like you're doing the right thing so this wouldn't necessarily apply to you.

I understand the denominational concerns.

It does apply to me though. I too am convicted to do more. Life is finite and if WE don't train our replacements, it is all in vain.

 

[vinniedelpino]

I just searched using the words "Boy Scouts Alternatives" and got a lot of articles listing organizations that are exactly that, both secular and religious. You might want to check out some of them and see if any already are doing what you describe. No sense in re-inventing the wheel if you don't have to - but if you want to start up your own group, then good on ya, man.

Do you have any organizations in particular you're referring to? Everything I've found is a little too watered down for my taste. If I can start a charter through another organization in my area that would save a huge hassle on my end.

I'm only open to the idea of starting from scratch because I'm a partner at a CPA firm. I do a ton of 1023s for work and a decent portion of my work involves managing the filings and compliance functions for NPOs. It's not exactly exciting work, but I'm well versed in this stuff.

 

[rhsc]

No, not any particular organization. Just thought that you might contact some of them and take a closer look. You might be able to use the expertise they've gained to start your own chapter and direct it more towards your own vision, so long as it doesn't create any serious conflicts. Could be worth a shot.

 

[candyx]

I think the gender thing ended the Boy Scouts. I was raised during the period of when there was only two genders boys and girls which is hard to believe now a days and each were able to coexist and it was normal to have Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts associations. We live in a world were new parents refuse to acknowledge the gender of their child at birth, I think they should make anal intercourse illegal to stop having to live with these asshat people.

 

[vinniedelpino]

The camp located near me is the oldest BSA camp west of the Mississippi. I volunteered and tought primitive skills two summers, 2017 & 2018.

They had 6 one week periods, giving each group one week. There are different age groups of kids, from little guys (cub scouts) all the way to eagle scouts 15&16 year olds.

I have spent a lot of time in & around the Army and at times I had to remind myself these older kids are not soldiers... A lot of them are HUGE full grown guys at age 15! Anyway...

You will need some sort of facilities to support a training mission. Car repair shop with tools, welding shop, class rooms, kitchen facilities, etc. The local camp is about 400 acres of woods, trails, river, with LOTS of buildings. Maintenance on it all is huge, with not much budget.

The camp closed down completely because of Covid.

I would support something like what you describe, if it were in my area.

One of the benefits of my career is the networking involved. I have clients in just about every industry imaginable. I also serve on the board as treasurer for three other non profits in the Charlotte area with some pretty good grant connections through donor advised funds and a few major corporations.

I ran it by a attorney, an auto repair shop and an electrician so far and they were on board. I'm reasonably sure I can get free range time with a RO too. Believe it or not, I'm not as worried about the resources as the interest and the liability issues. I haven't done sufficient due diligence to get the ball rolling yet, but so far the local feedback has been overwhelmingly positive.

I'm asking on line because it's more likely people will tell you how they really feel. Brutally honest is good.

 

[vinniedelpino]

I just searched using the words "Boy Scouts Alternatives" and got a lot of articles listing organizations that are exactly that, both secular and religious. You might want to check out some of them and see if any already are doing what you describe. No sense in re-inventing the wheel if you don't have to - but if you want to start up your own group, then good on ya, man.

I really don't. I'm up to my ears in volunteering for other organizations already. If the niche is filled I'm going to take what they built and run with it. Starting from the ground up only happens when other options are exhausted.

I'm going to do a little more research and see what else is out there. Thanks!

 

[brianf]

the only way a boy scouts org will survive is it it stays small

the more members the more potential issues that pop up...every member is a potential lawsuit

just the way it is

 

[gunman_7]

Yep, check out Trail Life. We dropped Boy Scouts hard and fast after they publicly supported BLM and required the scouts to have BLM diversity patches. When I walked with my kids, I took nine families with me. Should have left sooner. Had one boy almost to an eagle. After explaining what the scouts had done, he walked away from all his accomplishments.

With the way the boyscouts are going, in the future, I seriously wonder if it could actually hurt you putting down on a resume you were in the scouts....

 

[Bender]

As an actual Eagle Scout, the changes after the pedo shit was horrible.
I NEVER had any issues, but we all know what a few bad apples can do.

I have an official flag that flew over the capital and a letter from the president with congratulations. My son was on his way in Scouts but then our church dropped it like a hot potato. Rightfully so. So now we camp, Jeep and shoot, just the two of us.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Yep, check out Trail Life. We dropped Boy Scouts hard and fast after they publicly supported BLM and required the scouts to have BLM diversity patches. When I walked with my kids, I took nine families with me. Should have left sooner. Had one boy almost to an eagle. After explaining what the scouts had done, he walked away from all his accomplishments.

With the way the boyscouts are going, in the future, I seriously wonder if it could actually hurt you putting down on a resume you were in the scouts....

This looks promising. It's definitely Christian based though. I'm Christian as well, so I certainly don't mind but it's not exactly what I was going for.

The Benham Brothers listed on their home page were clients of mine at my old firm, so I'm thinking there's local chapter. I'm going to check this out. Thanks!

 

[vinniedelpino]

As an actual Eagle Scout, the changes after the pedo shit was horrible.
I NEVER had any issues, but we all know what a few bad apples can do.

I have an official flag that flew over the capital and a letter from the president with congratulations. My son was on his way in Scouts but then our church dropped it like a hot potato. Rightfully so. So now we camp, Jeep and shoot, just the two of us.

Yeah man. That sucks. I dropped BSA about a year ago for the same reasons. Growing up that was never an issue. I still keep in regular contact with my scoutmaster. He devoted his whole life to the organization and now the organization has fallen apart. Some of my best memories and best friends came from scouting.

 

[Victory]

Along with a group like scouts, make sure your boys attend Boys State. It’s put on by the American Legion and focuses on GOD, Patriotism, and Small Government. I would emplore all of you to volunteer. They always need counselors. You are spending a couple of days with some of the brightest young men in your state when you volunteer, and have an opportunity to mold them and truly change their lives. Many of these kids are never around type A men, and they need it so desperately. It changes their lives, and will change yours as well.

 

[coach4christ]

My son, who is 14, has recently joined the Civil Air Patrol. He’s liking it and I like what I’m seeing from it..

 

[Maggot]

One of the benefits of my career is the networking involved. I have clients in just about every industry imaginable. I also serve on the board as treasurer for three other non profits in the Charlotte area with some pretty good grant connections through donor advised funds and a few major corporations.

I ran it by a attorney, an auto repair shop and an electrician so far and they were on board. I'm reasonably sure I can get free range time with a RO too. Believe it or not, I'm not as worried about the resources as the interest and the liability issues. I haven't done sufficient due diligence to get the ball rolling yet, but so far the local feedback has been overwhelmingly positive.

I'm asking on line because it's more likely people will tell you how they really feel. Brutally honest is good.

You may have some limited success, if your in a rural area. But remember, the population demographics. Now its mostly suburbia and city most dont see the need or advantage of being able to start a fire with a couple sticks. Thats why we're getting more gun ordinances etc.The skills most want today are for computers, or pro basketball. My/our way of life is slowly phasing itself out.

 

[Jscb1b]

You may have some limited success, if your in a rural area. But remember, the population demographics. Now its mostly suburbia and city most dont see the need or advantage of being able to start a fire with a couple sticks. Thats why we're getting more gun ordinances etc.The skills most want today are for computers, or pro basketball. My/our way of life is slowly phasing itself out.

Until the great collapse.

 

[Howland]

I can't wait to see a commercial with a non attorney spokesman.

Were you abused as a Boy Scout or do you know someone who was?

You are entitled to compensation plus punitive damages. A federal court has held numerous ambulance chasers are liable for forcing the Boy Scouts to accept homosexual Scoutmasters and assistants knowing that a number of them would predictably abuse the Scouts in their care.

Call 1-800-AGOODSTART today. Time is running out. If you call right now, you will receive a bonus cinder block and length of rope. Operators are standing by.

 

[E. Bryant]

I've covered this before, so I will keep these remarks short. The way to fix scouts is at the local level. If you're a parent, volunteer instead of using this as a weekly babysitting program for your son. If you don't have kids, volunteer; somewhere, there are tired parent leaders who will welcome your assistance.

Ignore the noise at the national level - it doesn't matter.

 

[vinniedelpino]

I've covered this before, so I will keep these remarks short. The way to fix scouts is at the local level. If you're a parent, volunteer instead of using this as a weekly babysitting program for your son. If you don't have kids, volunteer; somewhere, there are tired parent leaders who will welcome your assistance.

Ignore the noise at the national level - it doesn't matter.

I don't think the scouts can be saved anymore. They'll never be what they were, anyway. I served as treasurer for the pack and did my fair share of volunteering.

Macaroni art and glamping just isn't what I'm looking for. (My kids are cub scout age.)

I want mud, sweat, scraped knees and valuable lessons learned alongside a group of their peers. I don't have any problem with the scouts as an institution, I just had something very different in mind. Like I said, I'm not looking to take any compensation or gain any sort of power or influence at the helm of a national organization. If anything, I just want to give like minded parents without the skills and resources an opportunity to come together and raise their sons like men of yesteryear. If it doesn't pan out or if we wind up with a half a dozen kids in my hometown, that's perfectly fine by me.

 

[KyleW]

Please don't take this the wrong way but...
It's called being a good dad.
Raise up your child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it.
Part of being a good dad is also being a good husband.

The single mother scenario is understandable. Both my sons have friends with single moms. I've included these boys in some of the things we've done but mostly through activities associated with my church.

IMHO this is exactly the role of a church in the local community. A good church. We do annual mens camping trips (extremely primitive style), shooting events, sports days, and even hunting events in small selective groups. Church work days touch on every labour skill you mentioned.

Sorry in advance if this reply is too taboo.

You have nothing to apologize for. God should come first and family second, my kids see every day how much I love God and how much I love their mother. My daughter learns everything my son does whether its shooting, hunting, driving a tractor, working on vehicles, or anything else that happens on the farm.

 

[DocRDS]

I've covered this before, so I will keep these remarks short. The way to fix scouts is at the local level. If you're a parent, volunteer instead of using this as a weekly babysitting program for your son. If you don't have kids, volunteer; somewhere, there are tired parent leaders who will welcome your assistance.

Ignore the noise at the national level - it doesn't matter.

This. When I was a boy scout, it was run by a father and his two (unmarried at the time) sons. They ran our local camp. I learned more crap in boy scouts that I can remember (including my intro to firearms, archery, boating, camping, etc).

Now about those 4 course meals--yeah we ate well at camp--cooked all over a campfire BITCHES! Silver spoon so many years running. Cooking for 15 over a fire is the life.

WHen my kids reached cub scouts the damage was done, they pre-cooked the meals, everyone had trailers, etc. I dunno what happened, but it was fast.

Still brought a tent and cooked my own meals. Had a crowd because FIRE and fresh food.

 

[hankpac]

Scouting went to hell when they started openly allowing Gays in as Scouts. It was a "First Step", and I am not even being a conspiracy theorist. Next came Gay Staff, and the flood gates opened, to destruction. It happened rapidly. the real problem is simply that from teaching young men to be capable of living on their own, in the wilderness, and to be gentlemen when in the company of others, and to be able to be counted on all went to hell with the introduction of namby-pamby programs, and achievements. It didn't help that Girl Scouts were teaching abortion as a resource.
The manuals changed from an outdoors capable stance to some sort of PC crap. when the Scout program started going askance, I took my boys out of it. We camped, hiked, backpacked, hunted, fished, and did all the same stuff, and I taught them to be men. I teach the same stuff to my grandkids. One of the simplest items on the list was to teach them to set up camp the second we pull in, before scattering for fishing, running and playing, etc. Every trip away from camp requires a trip back with an armload of wood. Simple stuff like that teaches them to think ahead. I prefered to do my own teaching, rather than let someone else do it, and it worked out well. Notice that many of the Churches pulled out of the program when it became so PC. LDS was the biggest denominational sponsor, and they dropped the program like a hot horse shoe.

 

[nso123]

As an actual Eagle Scout, the changes after the pedo shit was horrible.
I NEVER had any issues, but we all know what a few bad apples can do.

I have an official flag that flew over the capital and a letter from the president with congratulations. My son was on his way in Scouts but then our church dropped it like a hot potato. Rightfully so. So now we camp, Jeep and shoot, just the two of us.

I am an Eagle also, and it was hard to watch things crash down like they did. I had so many great times in Scouts, and learned a tremendous amount of skills that I have carried with me through life. That was a different time and age. Our Scoutmasters were real men, not hippies in skinny jeans that like to crowd a park. We hiked, camped, cooked over fires, tied knots, built shelters, built rafts that we raced down rivers, tracked wildlife, shot bows, shot real guns, learned mountaineering skills, and many more things that are so important in growing into a man.

I think we have to remember that our society has drifted to the point where a real man is viewed as a threat instead of an asset.

 

[ggmanning]

I was an Eagle.....in 1981. Vigil OA etc until I went off to college in '86. Boy Scouts began to fall apart in the 90's. Mirrored the pussification of society. Boy Scouts taught me lessons in ways that would be law suits today. I learned the basis of my wilderness survival skills in scouts and my scoutmaster was an outdoor badass so we backpacked back country monthly all year. The troop didn't bend to accept everybody like is the norm today. You kept up physically and coped with working your way up in acceptance or you cried and went home. Criers make the rules these days and just like the no child left behind education bullshit it drags the top down and never elevates the lower.

 

[E. Bryant]

I don't think the scouts can be saved anymore. They'll never be what they were, anyway. I served as treasurer for the pack and did my fair share of volunteering.

Macaroni art and glamping just isn't what I'm looking for. (My kids are cub scout age.)

I want mud, sweat, scraped knees and valuable lessons learned alongside a group of their peers. I don't have any problem with the scouts as an institution, I just had something very different in mind. Like I said, I'm not looking to take any compensation or gain any sort of power or influence at the helm of a national organization. If anything, I just want to give like minded parents without the skills and resources an opportunity to come together and raise their sons like men of yesteryear. If it doesn't pan out or if we wind up with a half a dozen kids in my hometown, that's perfectly fine by me.

There is nothing stopping you from providing this experience to your local scout pack/troop. We've got some kick-ass parents in our pack and we've building meaningful experiences for our kids. You can look at the requirements and guidance in the manuals as a strict prescription, or you can use it as a general framework and augment it as you see fit.

The best argument against BSA isn't the experience provided to the boys, but rather all the behind-the-scenes bullshit like maintaining the pack/troop charter (minimum number of registered leaders, training requirements for those leaders, and constantly escalating membership costs).

If you do wish to set off on your own (as a local youth group did because one of the parents was similarly dissatisfied with BSA), be aware that liability insurance will be an issue. Don't go "naked" without very careful consideration of the risk.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Short version... In the 1990's, the fags sued the Boy Scouts to be allowed to be Scout Leaders.

The woke courts said that all fags could be Scout leaders.

The Fag Scout leaders got the Scouts out into the woods and started cornholing them like it was an assembly line.

The same lawyers who said that the fags should be allowed to be Scout Leaders are now suing the Scouts because their fag clients cornholed thousands of teenage Boy Scouts.

The Boy Scouts have a ton of assets in real-estate and land and grants. So the lawyers for the Boy Scouts who were cornholed by the Fags get 38 percent of every settlement granted to a Boy Scout who was cornholed by a Fag Scout Leader who was Made a Fag Scout Leader by the Same Lawyers who are suing the Boy Scouts now.

Once they are done, one of the greatest organizations in American History... one that taught American Values and Leadership... will be gone and the Fags will laugh all the way to the bank... along with their Lawyers who will have taken away every asset built over 100 years... while destroying an American Institution.

I could probably write a longer version. But I don't like to spell out the word Homosexual when fag will do just fine.

Never should have let the fags in.

That applies to a lot of areas. Sorry @gayguns... I know you are probably pissed off about this too.

Sirhr

 

[E. Bryant]

Your timeline is off... by a lot. The majority of the abuse took place prior to the implementation of Youth Protection in the late 1980s, and this is supported by allegations confirmed by court convictions. The Scout organization maintained a "red list" of banned individuals dating back to perhaps the 1930s; the early 1990s Washington Times investigation that blew the lid off this stuff found entries back to at least 1975.

I'm not saying that there hasn't been any abuse since YP was implemented, but it's a relatively small proportion of the proven allegations. I'm also not saying that openly gay men should have been allowed into leadership positions, but this single change was not the cause of sexual abuse.

 

[PatMiles]

I was an Eagle.....in 1981.

You ARE an Eagle Scout! You earned the rank of Eagle Scout and it is yours for life.

 

[acudaowner]

bad hiring practices and dwindling number and sued into bankruptcy .
that and a nuclear powered badge that will get you arrested if you try and make your own nuclear power plant that works . As if glowing in the dark was not bad enough to get arested and called a terrorist is way over the top so only the government is allowed to kill millions of people while over charging them on there power bills lol .

 

[candyx]

Scouts would of been fine if the parents did what they do in prisons to child molesters , stop being politically correct.

 

[NY700]

Unfortunately I can’t say I’m having the same issue. BSA has been great for my family and my kids age 10 and 8 and yes that includes my daughter age 8.

scouts is what you make of it and what the parents and leaders put into it. Our troop is Cub Scout Heavy so a lot of the camp out are more glamming than ruffing it because the cub scouts have to have parents onsite and most of them aren’t interested in roughing it.

but as our Boy Scout group grows they are out doing more and venturing further.

my experience is the girls aren’t detracting from it at all. And at the younger ages are adding to it. Fact is an 8 year old girl has the attention span of a 10-11 year old boy. I know the troop leaders find the girls much better behaved and the girls get a lot more shot done than the boys.

as they move into Boy Scout ages they split the girls and the boys. We have a great troop here locally with girls ranging 12-17 and they are killing it.

if BSA sucks in your area, fix it. Become a committee member. If your church dropped it because of their level of ignorance find a new one.

 

[Rlb40x]

Short version... In the 1990's, the fags sued the Boy Scouts to be allowed to be Scout Leaders.

The woke courts said that all fags could be Scout leaders.

The Fag Scout leaders got the Scouts out into the woods and started cornholing them like it was an assembly line.

The same lawyers who said that the fags should be allowed to be Scout Leaders are now suing the Scouts because their fag clients cornholed thousands of teenage Boy Scouts.

The Boy Scouts have a ton of assets in real-estate and land and grants. So the lawyers for the Boy Scouts who were cornholed by the Fags get 38 percent of every settlement granted to a Boy Scout who was cornholed by a Fag Scout Leader who was Made a Fag Scout Leader by the Same Lawyers who are suing the Boy Scouts now.

Once they are done, one of the greatest organizations in American History... one that taught American Values and Leadership... will be gone and the Fags will laugh all the way to the bank... along with their Lawyers who will have taken away every asset built over 100 years... while destroying an American Institution.

I could probably write a longer version. But I don't like to spell out the word Homosexual when fag will do just fine.

Never should have let the fags in.

That applies to a lot of areas. Sorry @gayguns... I know you are probably pissed off about this too.

Sirhr

This. I was about to say the same thing but no need to now.
When the openly gay scout leaders thing came about years ago, I knew it was only a matter of time before the Boy Scouts would be dismantled, its kind of like it was planned.
Liberals hate everything decent and seek to destroy it.
Sure there were some cases before this happened, but it’s like setting a bucket of gasoline near a camp fire, odds are increased for something bad to happen.

 

[Fig]

Not taboo at all. And I agree with the Church being a valuable resource in this context. I wouldn't want the organization to be denominational though. While I agree with what you said about fathers taking the reigns, each generation has less and less fathers with the experience and knowledge to pass on to their sons. This would be more about filling in the gaps lost along the way.

I'm 35 and I have plenty of neighbors in my generation that can barely change a lightbulb. It sounds like you're doing the right thing so this wouldn't necessarily apply to you.

Oh please! You’re afraid of other denominations? Who gives a fuck? Do you even know how their theology is slightly different? Is Jesus the Son of God? Did he die for our sins, and is he risen? Guess what, they’re Christian!

I’ve gone on a Catholic Men’s retreat, and if I did not know all my friends were Catholic I would simply not have known. I grew up going to Primary with the Mormons down the street. There is no “right kind” of good. Evil doesn’t suffer from denominations. We shouldn’t either.

 

[cast1]

If your church dropped it because of their level of ignorance find a new one.

Drop my church for the Boy Scouts.... I’ll get right on that.

 

[NY700]

This. I was about to say the same thing but no need to now.
When the openly gay scout leaders thing came about years ago, I knew it was only a matter of time before the Boy Scouts would be dismantled, its kind of like it was planned.
Liberals hate everything decent and seek to destroy it.
Sure there were some cases before this happened, but it’s like setting a bucket of gasoline near a camp fire, odds are increased for something bad to happen.

this is such nonsense. Openly gay does not equal pedophile.
Guess what there are a lot of straight married men out there lurking around for children both boys and girls and it has literally nothing to do with being gay.
The over whelming number of scout leaders are not gay. Since my daughter is a scout should I be yelling that only gay men should be scout leaders to keep her safe? Not we should just be screaming applicants and not creating the opputnuity for bad situations.

like I said. Our Troop works well, it’s growing and people are happy and active. If others aren’t experiencing the same thing it’s probably because of the leadership in your area and the level of parental involment.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Oh please! You’re afraid of other denominations? Who gives a fuck? Do you even know how their theology is slightly different? Is Jesus the Son of God? Did he die for our sins, and is he risen? Guess what, they’re Christian!

I’ve gone on a Catholic Men’s retreat, and if I did not know all my friends were Catholic I would simply not have known. I grew up going to Primary with the Mormons down the street. There is no “right kind” of good. Evil doesn’t suffer from denominations. We shouldn’t either.

I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I don't really care about denominations. I grew up Catholic, starting attending a Methodist Church while in high school and since then have switched between Presbyterian, Baptist and Christian churches without links to any particular branch of Christianity.

I'm more interested in the what the Pastor/Priest has to say than a label. I happen to be Christian, but in my eyes a good man is a good man.. Any man that produces more than he consumes, keeps his word and raises his children to better men than himself has my respect regardless of religion, race, income etc.

 

[Jgault]

Appleseed is a much better place for kids now, they learn about firearms and the true heroism of their shared American history, they were at my range last month I was more than impressed.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Appleseed is a much better place for kids now, they learn about firearms and the true heroism of their shared American history, they were at my range last month I was more than impressed.

Appleseed is great! I'd like to see that organization grow to include more regular events.

 

[nso123]

this is such nonsense. Openly gay does not equal pedophile.
Guess what there are a lot of straight married men out there lurking around for children both boys and girls and it has literally nothing to do with being gay.
The over whelming number of scout leaders are not gay. Since my daughter is a scout should I be yelling that only gay men should be scout leaders to keep her safe? Not we should just be screaming applicants and not creating the opputnuity for bad situations.

like I said. Our Troop works well, it’s growing and people are happy and active. If others aren’t experiencing the same thing it’s probably because of the leadership in your area and the level of parental involment.

Out of curiosity, why is your daughter not in Girl Scouts? Not being smart here, I am honestly curious.

 

[vinniedelpino]

Out of curiosity, why is your daughter not in Girl Scouts? Not being smart here, I am honestly curious.

What parent willingly signs up their kid for a multi-level marketing scheme like that?

I'll crush a box or two of Samoa's- don't get me wrong... but what, exactly do girl scouts do other than sell boxes of cookies for a few cents commission per box? I'd love to see the financial records for that arrangement. Someone out there is making a killing and it sure as hell aren't the local girl scout groups.

 

[NY700]

Out of curiosity, why is your daughter not in Girl Scouts? Not being smart here, I am honestly curious.

no insult taken solid question. To be honest I guess stigma and marketing is probably to real answer.

she was six when she started. Our son was 8 and he joined cub scouts. (My son is autistic and to be honest this was a bit of an experiment because we really had absolutely no idea if that was going to work, but everyone in the program was super welcoming and inclusive to him)
So I saw that BSA was allowing girls to join (I’m sure much of that is to offset their dropping numbers). So i posed the question to my daughter and showed her some information. Would you be interested in joining one of these groups and if so which one. She looked over the information. And said I don’t want to be a cookie salesman I’ll do Boy Scouts.

so we said sure. We are now on year three. We pulled my son out because we felt at this age he would be a weblo, he was lagging too far behind that it would create a hardship on the leaders to keep everyone moving forward, but the troop still has an open invite to him for all the events, so we pay extra on my daughter (they use it as scholarship money for people who need it)

my daughter is now a bear going strong, kicking ass and basically runs her pack

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Appleseed is a much better place for kids now, they learn about firearms and the true heroism of their shared American history, they were at my range last month I was more than impressed.

Tell me more? I am trying to google Appleseed and getting nothing. They shadow banning it?

Link? Info? I have friends with scout-age kids... and no outlets. Scouting here is all run by woke idiots who are probably pedos.

If you have info, I can pass on to several parents who are fed up with indoctrination and could form a chapter.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[vinniedelpino]

Tell me more? I am trying to google Appleseed and getting nothing. They shadow banning it?

Link? Info? I have friends with scout-age kids... and no outlets. Scouting here is all run by woke idiots who are probably pedos.

If you have info, I can pass on to several parents who are fed up with indoctrination and could form a chapter.

Cheers,

Sirhr

appleseedinfo.org

 

[Rlb40x]

this is such nonsense. Openly gay does not equal pedophile.
Guess what there are a lot of straight married men out there lurking around for children both boys and girls and it has literally nothing to do with being gay.
The over whelming number of scout leaders are not gay. Since my daughter is a scout should I be yelling that only gay men should be scout leaders to keep her safe? Not we should just be screaming applicants and not creating the opputnuity for bad situations.

like I said. Our Troop works well, it’s growing and people are happy and active. If others aren’t experiencing the same thing it’s probably because of the leadership in your area and the level of parental involment.

If you would have read the whole post, I said that pedos preyed on boys before the openly gay leaders.
I’m also a numbers guy and odds go up.
If you keep wolves near chickens, eventually wolves eat chicken.
That’s my opinion, you can have your also.