What kind of accuracy do you guys get?

[cookie91/38]

Hey guys,

I was practicing my stances, positions, and NPOA today with multiple rifles.I noticed that in the standing position especially, I can not hold the rifle very still. What kind of accuracy do you guys get at 100 yards standing? Whether it be a .308, or .22? I read somewhere you should be able to hold 1MOA for a good shooter. I am pretty sure I could not do that haha. Thanks, Evan

 

[Randoman5]

1 MOA at 100 yards is about the size of a quarter. I don't know how many guys there are out there that could consistently hit a quarter at 100 yards standing free hand.

 

[Cvarney]

my standing is atrocious. I've been working on it a little freehand as well as slung up but it's still sucky. It seems to tighten up a little with out a can on the end of it though, I think it's the
wieght/balance with a supressor hanging off the muzzle. With out it it's still a bit heavy but it's balanced good.

 

[Rhyno]

Make sure your using your skeleton to support yourself and not your muscles, when I shoot freehand, which is not very much, my upper body is really relaxed, no tensions in my muscles the weight of the rifle is supported by my skeleton and sling.

 

[cookie91/38]

Make sure your using your skeleton to support yourself and not your muscles, when I shoot freehand, which is not very much, my upper body is really relaxed, no tensions in my muscles the weight of the rifle is supported by my skeleton and sling.

What do you mean by skeleton? I try not to "muscle" the gun, but still have to use a little muscle to keep it up.

 

[hk dave]

Prone I'm a sub moa shooter... freehand i'm a 20 moa shooter. Obviously I haven't learned that skill. ^^

 

[jashmore1234]

Hey guys,

I was practicing my stances, positions, and NPOA today with multiple rifles.I noticed that in the standing position especially, I can not hold the rifle very still. What kind of accuracy do you guys get at 100 yards standing? Whether it be a .308, or .22? I read somewhere you should be able to hold 1MOA for a good shooter. I am pretty sure I could not do that haha. Thanks, Evan

I would consider the ability to hold the ten ring of an SR-1 target, offhand at 100 yards, great shooting. I think the 10 ring is just over 3 moa. 1 moa, offhand at 100 yards on a consistant basis is the stuff legends are made of.

To become more steady in that position, get a pellet gun and shoot 50 shots per night offland at 10m into a pellet trap in your garage for the winter using a 3/8" black dot as a target. Your figure eight woble will start to shrink. It would also help to find a SR DM to evaluate your position and steady hold factors.

 

[Rhyno]

What do you mean by skeleton? I try not to "muscle" the gun, but still have to use a little muscle to keep it up.

Watch this video, it's a little long but it's helped me shooting offhand unsupported with a 22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11HE5Viuuw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[cookie91/38]

Watch this video, it's a little long but it's helped me shooting offhand unsupported with a 22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11HE5Viuuw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Thanks a lot! Il definitely start working on this

 

[JGorski]

When I had a 54MS I would shoot my buddies beer bottles before he could with his firty firty, he yelled at me.

 

[Night Eagle]

Watch this video, it's a little long but it's helped me shooting offhand unsupported with a 22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11HE5Viuuw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

This is more like Olympic style shooting. I would not practice this technique for practical tactical style shooting.because There is almost no ability for follow up shots and that is every bit as important as first round hits.

 

[Rhyno]

This is more like Olympic style shooting. I would not practice this technique for practical tactical style shooting.because There is almost no ability for follow up shots and that is every bit as important as first round hits.

That's true, but in a tactical situation if your standing out in the open, with nothing to lean on you've already made a big mistake.

 

[Night Eagle]

That's true, but in a tactical situation if your standing out in the open, with nothing to lean on you've already made a big mistake.

we practice getting first round hits within 5 sec while standing unsupported out to 150yards from a walking position. the position is more like facing the front of your body to the target kind of like a fighting stance. this keeps you stable during recoil, and allows for that all important follow up shot from a more stable position. so for example if your hunting and just carrying your weapon, you should be able to get one round at a charging animal before it shoves that rifle right up your arse, lol...
after 5 sec w/ a heavy rifle if you cant make the shot, lower rifle and move to a better position. the story behind this kind of training is this...my instructors friend was over in afgan and using a heavy bolt rifle made upwards to 70 kills while unsupported and unslung during a battle. he in effect saved the situation. he was also awarded an important medal for this. when asked about getting into supported positions, he stated that he had no time at all to get into any supported positions.

 

[Rhyno]

I have no doubt it's possible to be accurate freehand unsupported other ways, I've been in situations like what you describe, the hunting not the fighting part, and done well, but generally with a lighter rifle, shotgun or muzzle loader. When your seeking the ultimate accuracy though you can't rely on just your muscles to do it though.

I'm just saying from a target shooting standpoint, using skeletal support is key.

Hmm, I hope I didn't offend anyone, I was not a soldier, and don't mean to imply if you were or know someone who was in a extreme situation like what was mentioned you screwed up, because war is hell, unpredictable and shit will happen.

 

[Runamuk]

If "Tactical" could mean a PRS match, then yes you should practice standing. At the Grind this year there was a standing shot at a large target (don't remember the size or distance), can't remember anyone in the group hitting it.....I know I didn't.

 

[waveslayer]

Hey guys,

I was practicing my stances, positions, and NPOA today with multiple rifles.I noticed that in the standing position especially, I can not hold the rifle very still. What kind of accuracy do you guys get at 100 yards standing? Whether it be a .308, or .22? I read somewhere you should be able to hold 1MOA for a good shooter. I am pretty sure I could not do that haha. Thanks, Evan

1 inch at 100 yards freehand is pretty hard! it can be done, get a good sling and work on your stance with the sling as a brace, plus trigger control you should be close enough!

 

[BigJimFish]

This is more like Olympic style shooting. I would not practice this technique for practical tactical style shooting.because There is almost no ability for follow up shots and that is every bit as important as first round hits.

It's even trickier than that. The positions adopted for the standing portion of 3 position small bore and air rifle have a further complication when using a high powered rifle, very little mass is behind the rifle in these positions. This is not the biggest deal when shooting 11lb rifles that barely recoil but with a bigger rifle, especially if it is not so heavy, it creates a substantial problem. As the rifle starts to recoil, well before the round leaves the barrel, the recoil pushes the rifle off of the aim point in a fairly wild and not so easy to repeat manner. This opens up groups a great deal. It would be interesting to do tests comparing the skelital positions used in Olympic shooting with so little mass behind the rifle with more muscular positions that are more solid under recoil. I'm not sure which would yield the better results for off hand high powered use but I am sure that the groups would be much larger than 3 position small bore groups.

 

[kamakauzy]

This is more like Olympic style shooting. I would not practice this technique for practical tactical style shooting.because There is almost no ability for follow up shots and that is every bit as important as first round hits.

It would depend on your goal, I would imagine. For competition, or just fun accurate shooting, it would be okay. For a DM or PS/O, I don't see it working very well.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[Natty Bumpo]

Offhand is my weakest position. At 100 yards, I use 8" bulls. I'm reasonably pleased to get 4 of 4 shots all in the 8" circle. Sometimes one goes astray. No doubt there are others that can do much better. Nothing wrong with target style shooting, and I'm sure learning the fundamentals of it will translate into other shooting styles as well. But in a hunting situation, critters don't stand still waiting for you to get into position and find your natural point of aim. Speed is nearly as important as accuracy.