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I have a Noveske N6 with swichblock that runs fine. Can shoot 3/4” groups with the Magtech Sniper ammo when the nut behind the stock does his part.
bought a LEO used DD5V1 for one of my groomsmen at my wedding. Rifle could shoot 3/4” groups too.
Had a PredatOBR with 16” barrel that I traded for a GAP bolt gun. Best. Trade. Ever!
No love for POF? I have a renegade with a Criterion barrel. Its the most accurate semi auto ive ever ran.
I checked out the POF's but they looked weirdly proprietary. As to them being heavy I thought they were 6 pound guns? Aren't the about the lightest production AR-10 out there?
Gotcha!Depends on which POF you're looking at. The Revolution model is their lightweight rifle. Little under 7#s for the DI variant and a little over 7# for the gas piston variant. My 308 edge weighed around 8.5#s before optic, etc. I honestly don't know if 8.5#s is heavy for an AR-10? Mine holds well and shoots great.
I agree they do look very proprietary, and in a lot respects they are. I'm thrilled with mine and plan to buy another this year. Just don't know which model.
I always forget about my LMT!! It’s my second favorite behind the PWS.the LMT guns are an incredible value
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Are you thinking something like a ~18" 308 with a bipod and shooting mostly between 100-500 yards? Any chance you're going to suppress it? Any weight restrictions or preferences? There's quite a bit you can do to really tailor a 308 to different applications or competitions if that's what you're thinking.
Are you talking about their Ultimate Upper kits?I really, really wanted to like the LaRue. I couldn’t get past the completely unknown ‘between ten days and 9 months’ delivery time, and so many guys either getting sub-MOA or guys getting 3 MOA out of their guns with match ammo, coupled with them being made with what seems like no care for weight. They’re cool, and LaRue is one of few companies with genuinely unique approaches to problems and interesting designs. But I didn’t want a nine pound upper to show up in six months, with a two pound lower two months later, and not know what level of precision I would get from it.
After reading all the initial recommendations of $5K+ .308's?...I was wondering if I was going to get to even read mention of DPMS (as I recently purchased an older but in unfired.like new condition 1st gen LR-308 AP4) which I threw a $350 Vortex Spitfire 3X Prism scope on and was very impressed with the accuracy of it's 16" M4 profile barrel (sub 2moa @ 100yds using Pindad 147gr Mil Surplus ammo) and after a little researching?...it turns out that many are impressed with the accuracy of the cost effective DPMS offerings...matter fact?...I was pleasantly surprised to discover that the DPMS LR-308 models won NRA's Rifleman Magazines "Rifle Of The Year" award for a couple years in the mid 2000's shooting sub moa groupings.
For a lil background?...as a Marine back in '77 I shot Rifle Expert with a rattle trap boot camp M-16 including a "Pre-Qual Day Score" of 248 *which was 1 point shy of tying Parris Island's Range Record of 249 (w/ M-16 at that time) which included 10 out of 10 bulls as shot w/ iron sights from 500yds prone so?...I think the most important questions asked here was....
I always forget about my LMT!! It’s my second favorite behind the PWS.
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Can you explain your preference of the PWS over LMT?
I'm currently running a PWS Mk220 and I'm considering replacing it with a LMT MWS.
Thanks.
SCAR's weigh about the same as common AR-10's. My Barrett is almost exactly the same as a SCAR 17s.Go with the SCAR, the AR patterned rifles can get kind of heavy, especially for distance work.
I agree that an LMT will probably be better than most home assembled rifles and will hold its value better. However, 99.99% of the people on this forum will never be in a sustained firefight where their life is depending on the functioning of their rifle no matter what they think. You don't need a LMT or KAC rifle to put holes in paper or to ping steel. I like assembling my own but I'm not "broke dick". I could afford probably any of the rifles that have been mentioned in this thread. They won't ping steel any better than what I already have though.
Not sure if you know it or not but you're using the broke dick argument. Another point is I would argue that if you need to use a firearm in any way shape or form for self preservation you should want the best-who wouldn't?
We live in good times where high quality rifle components are readily available for assembly and if that's your thing rock on and who cares what others think?
HK fanboys are elitists. I’m pretty sure he’s advocating the purchase of KAC or LMT?I loathe and love your post all at the same time...I love that you're cool with rolling your own out of top quality components but at the same time?...I loathe that you imply that high dollar weaponry somehow increases a person's odds of survival when it's been my experience that no one is going to be as attentive to detail than the operator whose very life depends on such where meanwhile?...many battlefields have been fertilized with the remains of elitists.
I loathe and love your post all at the same time...I love that you're cool with rolling your own out of top quality components but at the same time?...I loathe that you imply that high dollar weaponry somehow increases a person's odds of survival when it's been my experience that no one is going to be as attentive to detail than the operator whose very life depends on such where meanwhile?...many battlefields have been fertilized with the remains of elitists.
HK fanboys are elitists. I’m pretty sure he’s advocating the purchase of KAC or LMT?
Not sure if you know it or not but you're using the broke dick argument. Another point is I would argue that if you need to use a firearm in any way shape or form for self preservation you should want the best-who wouldn't?
We live in good times where high quality rifle components are readily available for assembly and if that's your thing rock on and who cares what others think?
I dont really care what others think about my rifles, it's their comments about people who do assemble their own that irritates me.Not sure if you know it or not but you're using the broke dick argument. Another point is I would argue that if you need to use a firearm in any way shape or form for self preservation you should want the best-who wouldn't?
We live in good times where high quality rifle components are readily available for assembly and if that's your thing rock on and who cares what others think?
I don't really care too much what others think bec
I dont really care what others think about my rifles, it's their comments about people who do assemble their own that irritates me.
Full disclosure, I'm no expert. I'm a LMT fan. My MWS and MRP have both been flawless. 308 and 6.5 barrels for the big guy. 223/5.56 and 224 Valk barrels for the lil bro. If I lose these in my next boating accident and couldn't get another LMT, I'd go Seekins. Look up Frank's videos series on the SP10. Never handled Larue or DD and sure as hell can't afford/justify a KAC. Not on lowly old paramedic pay.
As for building, I don't get it. Yes, you can assemble a beautiful, accurate and incredibly well functioning rifle. But to do that you need premium components. Adding those up didn't ADD up in my mind. For a few more bucks I bought my stuff used and they are a known quantity with pretty damn good resale value. That's just this guy's opinion which, if you ask the wife, ain't worth shit. So...
It’s not just PWS but also POF.
Having owned a couple of DI AR10s...a properly design piston setup just feels smoother...the POF has the most stable upper outside of a monolithic like the MWS...
Yeah...the Revolution is light weight...too light in my opinion...and its action is of an AR15...
AR10s...need to remain full size...and above 8 lbs... .308/7.62NATO needs a little heft...more importantly...it needs BCG mass...hence why it was designed "larger" by Stoner.
Revolution meets a criteria though...but it is not as a DMR type rifle (which is what I want a .308 semi for)...it is more on the carbine side of things...you can tame it with a better muzzle brake and a suppressor...
To me the Revolution recoils like the MDR...way to snappy and odd...I would never own a Revolution.
Another great .308 rifle is the XCR-M...the current gen models are good to go and Robinson has ironed out a lot of kinks...