Exactly, and I’m sure it wasn’t lost on you that I didn’t mention my torque for the same reason.Yes, consistency in all things, or nothing at all.
My shop standard is higher torque, but I'm not going to tell a customer that. They don't have my tools... and I don't need someone trying to twist an action in half because they thought it was a good idea to only insert their tool into the rear band of the action.
Yep, my Dad diagnosed the issue when I was about eight or so and made the change quickly. From that day, I never shot my Benjamin single shot pellet rifle left handed again. Still have that same Benjamin to this day, in perfect working order. Shot a few birds recently that liked to sit on the mirror of my truck and crap all over the glass.Same here being left handed and right eye dominant. I adjusted the same long ago with long guns but shoot handguns left handed.
I've thought about how to respond to this because, as I stated in a prior post, I want and need to be very careful about feeding a narrative that isn't true. So I'll first say, thank you very much for recognizing one of the many things that I truly live by when it comes to what it means to create something that has or had a major impact on so many.
Congratulations Mister!!!! My 52D is my second favorite rimfire rifle and I actually had it out the other day (not to the range, but to the lab because I needed to take the bolt apart).
I was wondering when this would come up.
Awesome words here, Greg....thank you.I was wondering when this would come up.
I wish you luck in your attempt to navigate this aspect of the next part of your life. Read the Bible, and frequently. It'll help. If you're unfamiliar, start with James. You've got quite a test ahead of you regarding how you'll handle all of that. You're gonna need His help and the help of many upright people to avoid the fray. Resist temptation to anything negative at all costs. I'll pray for you dude.
Bible. Every day. It will help you to not say anything negative about your previous associations. It will help you avoid joining with eager emotional supporters that would serve to push you into a fight you don't need or want. Forward momentum only. Upright men only. Leave the mud to the pigs.
There are not many of us that promoted full scale rimfire before it was cool. Infighting in a community that small will serve no positive end. Everyone will have to answer for their own behavior at some point. Stay to the right path, and you'll be blessed with success.
I am too!! It makes me terrible at shooting pool!! Other than that, I am good to go with this set up!
The “true to scale” thing has always made me wonder how much accuracy could be gleaned from a modern Springfield 1922, or the 1922 M1 or M2. Marvels of quality machining in their own way, having the dual pin bolt for experimenting with 6 & 12 o’clock strikes, add a modern fast twist barrel, and a striker which could be modified to add or remove weight, plus a headspace adjustable bolt….. Makes me wistfulAwesome words here, Greg....thank you.
You're right, true-to-scale rimfire has come a really long way and we've certainly learned some hard lessons, but what's cool is, we've grown along the way to understand what it means to set a better example. No fighting, no drama....none of that is worth it. Now, things are quite different for me than "back then." Are there times though that the human part wants to get out again? Of course, but the test these days is far easier than it was. Nothing ill to say, just excited about the open doors as a result of what it means to believe.
And yes, I'm quite familiar by upbringing and like I believe many do, create distance due to the world and then understand why it's important to close the distance again. Most mornings, around 3a, when it's quiet and most every Sunday at the Church nearby.
Much appreciated, Dude
MB
Somehow, someway, always more accuracy. But yes, those old actions certainly has made me admire how well they did what they did back then without all the stuff we can do it with now.The “true to scale” thing has always made me wonder how much accuracy could be gleaned from a modern Springfield 1922, or the 1922 M1 or M2. Marvels of quality machining in their own way, having the dual pin bolt for experimenting with 6 & 12 o’clock strikes, add a modern fast twist barrel, and a striker which could be modified to add or remove weight, plus a headspace adjustable bolt….. Makes me wistful
What usually happens is the "bean counters" take control. Hopefully that won't be the case here.
Based on my experience, this is true, but now we’re getting into that area that I’ve wanted to be very careful with….feeding the wrong or completely untrue narrative. Vudoo will be just fine; they’re staffed by capable people that love what they do and the rimfire product has always been and will remain at the top.
Sorry Dude, my response wasn’t specific to anyone else’s response, I just want to stay on top of keeping all this in a good place and be fair to Vudoo. I’m excited to talk about what’s next, especially within a community that I respect, so let’s hit the reset button knowing that if one has or wants a Vudoo, you’ll be just fine.
Advantages? The exact same thing shooters have derived from their Vudoo and other 700 footprint actions, they can be configured by the user to suit the user’s whims.
I can't add much more to what others have just said. However for me it's the ability to have a shorter thinner contour threaded barrel if I want to carry the rifle in the woods for small game and have a longer heavier contour for precision / match shooting. I just can't justify the funds to have a 2nd full rifle build when there is the option of having the same thing for a fraction of the investment.
That’s why I dislike threaded tenons for rimfire. Unless something else is developed, I believe the clamping type action is the pinnacle of the design. Having a longer front receiver ring to reduce required clamping forces and stress only improves things.
Having owned a Sauer 200STR & several SSG3000 with a 22lr conversion for years and the 20 series Anschutz I am a firm believer this is the move. Especially with an aluminum action to keep weight down like the STR / SSG. The DTA is another example of how this is a viable option.
Only missed on the Quad being expensive. Originally, they were under $500Advantages? The exact same thing shooters have derived from their Vudoo and other 700 footprint actions, they can be configured by the user to suit the user’s whims.
Ruger 10/22
Ruger 77/22
Anschutz 2007/2013
Sako Finnfire
Sako Quad
Remington 504
CZ 455 and 457
Tikka T-1X
they all have easily swappable barrels. What made them successful or fail? Timing and price point, but also initial performance.
Clark and others swapped barrels on the 10/22 for Sportsman’s Team Challenge and spawned an industry of accuracy improvements to a simple design.
The 77/22 had the promise of the same industry, but the timing was off as people discovered through bulletin boards that there were imports with custom grade accuracy for just a smidge over the price of a top grade barrel.
Anschutz has been the Xerox of match rifles, the gun others compared to, but change for them happens slowly as they feed a world market, not just the USA.
If they had offered a 2007/2013 with a magazine, I’d own one.
The Sako P94S got a fast track in sales from the benchrest crowd, and Triggers/Stocks/Barrels quickly hit the market, but benchrest is a niche market, and the first design was both ahead of it’s time and had a relatively high starting price. The buy out by Beretta and fast dump and switch to the Quad (multiple cartridge/caliber), along with a further increase in pricing scaled this rifle away from many. (Edited to add: Had the original design P94S hit the market 2 years ago it would be king).
The American offering in the clamping receiver type barrel mount- the Remington 504, in my opinion, was the rifle the internet and Bullitin Boards killed. I believe this was to be a flagship rimfire receiver design, with a variety of stocks and barrel configurations planned, but…..
MSRP was a bit high, which the “Buy American” type would still swallow, until they were utterly stomped in accuracy by an import at half the price, that came with similar ergonomics. They tried to offer a heavier target/varmint version, but at an even higher price point, but it was too late and the damage was done. The internets actual shooters warning others away quickly killed that design in less than 5 years.
CZ saw all that was happening, and their 452 series, a constantly evolving model hailing back to the BRNO mod 1, hit US shores like a tsunami, a perfect storm of low price, high quality, great accuracy, and bulletin boards such as ShootersTalk, RFC, and BenchrestCentral to spread the word that yes, here was a bolt gun with everything: Dual action screws, dual bolt lugs, dual extractors (a misnomer), floating barrel on some models, incredible stock shapes, smooth feeding from available 5 & 10 round magazines, and easily tunable triggers. Shooters didn’t just buy them, they collected them. Decent mid grade ammo was plentiful, and all was right with the world, except…..
Limited aftermarket support! The bean counters saw that by modifying the design, deleting a bolt lug (hey, the Anschutz 64 which they were often compared to only had one!), and offering a swap barrel (hey, Sako did it), and they already had a platinum reputation with the 452, what could go wrong? They absorbed the mediocre accuracy complaints as growing pains, and hey, there was always drop in barrels….. but people wanted more, which spawned the 457. With tolerances tightened, and a PRS/NRL22/MARS type events popping up everywhere, another perfect storm.
Tikka had been quietly growing a huge following with hunters cause hey, accuracy. When they released their rimfire, some dealers said “hey, it’s just another .22”, foolishly misjudging the market. The ammo crunch has impacted us all, but the “builder” in us has still helped a few aftermarket products to hit the public for the smallest Tikka.
So in a somewhat verbose answer, yes, drop-in, kitchen table buildable accurate rimfires will always have a place.
All this from an opinionated shooter
Absolutely this.
WOW! Would have loved to test one at that price. Only one I’ve seen is in the black synthetic stock, and was $1600. I was holding out on finding the Range model, still never seen one in the flesh.
Wish I would have bought 4 when I bought mine. I’ve got one of the first manners t4 stocks for a quad too. Really need to get someone to loan me a magazine guide assembly so I can make another. I blew mine to pieces
Prefit is attractive to me for the following reasons:
Ultimately, yes. I'm being asked to design for some larger companies, but they want what fits current lines of CF and age old "brand" precedents. However, what I'm doing and discussing here will have zero attachments to the various "brand expectations." The Vudoo was originally going to be the newly introduced Remington 40X Rimfire, so there were things I maintained that stayed within what was "Remington." After four years of Remington corporate bs and bankruptcies, I walked away from it and created something as different as made sense at the time and wrapped a new company around it....obviously, it was a huge hit but the remaining Remington DNA always bothered me.
I’ve been wanting to say this for a while: ”I’m your huckleberry.”
And they dropped the whole AR line after what 2 years! Not a mention in any of their literature now. Bunch of woke FUDs.
