Re: Which AR-10 should I buy with $3500
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you have $3,500 and don't know any of what to buy then your money is probably best spent elsewhere.
Personally since it's evident your a beginner a DPMS for $900 and a mil/mil Bushnell fixed 10x. Add some rings and you've got yourself a beginners rig for about $1,200.
Go spend the other $2,300 on classes to learn to shoot it.
Or hookers and blow.
Don't let these guys talk you into a high dollar rig right off the bat.
No point in a sub moa rifle for a shooter than can't come close to it for a while anyhow.
Besides. I have that exact rig for hog hunting suppressed and it's more than accurate out to 500meters (farthest range around me).</div></div>
Maybe some of us believe in the 'buy once, cry once' philosophy and advising him to buy anything other than what he wants would only wind up costing him even more money in the long run. Pay for it now, or you'll pay more for it later. That's a fact.
To the OP, the best course of action you could take is to purchase exactly what you want, regardless of what others think about it or the cost. Then, purchase a subscription to the Sniper's Hide training videos. Utilizing what you learn from the videos, get as much range time as you can while saving your money for one of those aforementioned $2,300 classes. In fact, Rifles Only has classes for less than $1,000.
In my opinion, what I have described above is the best course of action. Take it for what it's worth. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">I'm the last guy that needs to be told buy once cry once. And by the way I've owned GAP, US optics, Nightforce, ed brown, les baer etc etc etc</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Perhaps those ranting on here about how you should just go with an high end AR10 first should remember this cat isn't shooting out to 1000yards.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">The point is you buy what's needed for the task at hand. If I know all my shots are around 200 with the occasional opportunity to go to 500 or 600 you don't go buy a sub moa rifle made for 1000. </span>
If i'm shooting long range got a rifle for that. Hogs, got a rifle for that and so on.
That extra ching ching on a GAP rifle is better spent on something else. Perhaps the LMT MWS http://www.google.com/products/cata...a=X&ei=slQHT73QHeaisQLHvJWRCg&ved=0CEoQxBUwAA
once again more than enough rifle for the task at hand for far less than GAP
<span style="font-weight: bold">And that was 2,300 total for classes. That's multiple, plural, as in more than one class.</span>
Training video's? god damn that's bad advice. Hands on time is the only way to learn.
I saw the movie sniper 84 times. Does that make me a sniper? haha</div></div>
If you're the last guy who needs to be told to "buy once, cry once" then why are you trying to sell him something other than what he asked for? Maybe you missed the part where the OP said <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">"I want a new bad ass gun".</span></span> The word <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">WANT</span></span></span> is the key word in that statement. The OP wasn't asking about what he <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">needs</span></span>, he is talking about what he <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">wants</span></span>.
Let's face it, if all of us here only purchased what we <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">need</span></span>, this wouldn't be much of a forum, now would it? No one <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic">needs</span></span> a hobby. They <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">want</span></span> a hobby.
I don't shoot at 1000yd ranges and I don't <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">need</span></span> a POF or <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">need</span></span> a NightForce for the 300yd range I shoot on but it's what I had the money to buy and it's what I <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">wanted</span></span>.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An important point that has not been mentioned, is that if you really are planning to shoot supressed, then I would go with a piston gun and not a DI. I agree that the extra weight and cost is not worth it most of the time, but it is a diferrent story with a suppressor. So, my vote goes for a POF vs a LWRC REPR. </div></div>
In my opinion two more bad suggestions here.
Unless your putting some major rounds through it there' s no reason you really need a piston rifle. Even if you are putting a bunch of rounds down range at once it's not all that big a deal to actually have to get in and clean your rifle.
<span style="font-weight: bold">And the quality of a POF or LWRC pale in comparison to perhaps a 416 or the more readily available FN SCAR anyhow if you just had to be the cool kid on the block with the best.
Of those I still have my 416 which as far as I've seen the quality can not be compared to.
The POF I bought was immediately sold after I got it. fit and finish were shit. Just an obvious lack of quality.</span>
This cat obviously has way more money than experience. Again it's money better spent on classes to learn. And a good suggestion above stated that once you get to a couple classes you'll see what the guys are using and make a better decision buying.
Because the likely scenario here is not "buy once, cry once". It's your going to spend way to much on a high end rifle and optic then your going to sell after you get some experience and find out something else works better for you. At a loss by the way.
I'm sure none of these guys will complain when your selling that GAP on the ads here at a loss.</div></div>
I wouldn't describe the FN SCAR as being the best but, hey, to each their own. I guess since your POF was, in your words, "shit" then I guess POF as a whole is shit in your mind, is that it?
I guaran-damn-tee you more people will be willing to buy a premium platform from him than a DPMS "beginner rig" because DPMS rifles are a dime a dozen.
The point I made previously still stands, stop trying to sell him on something you think he needs and let the guy purchase what he wants. At this point I'm banging my head against a wall here because you're hell-bent on telling him what he doesn't need and selling him on something you think he does.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you have $3,500 and don't know any of what to buy then your money is probably best spent elsewhere.
Personally since it's evident your a beginner a DPMS for $900 and a mil/mil Bushnell fixed 10x. Add some rings and you've got yourself a beginners rig for about $1,200.
Go spend the other $2,300 on classes to learn to shoot it.
Or hookers and blow.
Don't let these guys talk you into a high dollar rig right off the bat.
No point in a sub moa rifle for a shooter than can't come close to it for a while anyhow.
Besides. I have that exact rig for hog hunting suppressed and it's more than accurate out to 500meters (farthest range around me).</div></div>
Maybe some of us believe in the 'buy once, cry once' philosophy and advising him to buy anything other than what he wants would only wind up costing him even more money in the long run. Pay for it now, or you'll pay more for it later. That's a fact.
To the OP, the best course of action you could take is to purchase exactly what you want, regardless of what others think about it or the cost. Then, purchase a subscription to the Sniper's Hide training videos. Utilizing what you learn from the videos, get as much range time as you can while saving your money for one of those aforementioned $2,300 classes. In fact, Rifles Only has classes for less than $1,000.
In my opinion, what I have described above is the best course of action. Take it for what it's worth. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">I'm the last guy that needs to be told buy once cry once. And by the way I've owned GAP, US optics, Nightforce, ed brown, les baer etc etc etc</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Perhaps those ranting on here about how you should just go with an high end AR10 first should remember this cat isn't shooting out to 1000yards.</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">The point is you buy what's needed for the task at hand. If I know all my shots are around 200 with the occasional opportunity to go to 500 or 600 you don't go buy a sub moa rifle made for 1000. </span>
If i'm shooting long range got a rifle for that. Hogs, got a rifle for that and so on.
That extra ching ching on a GAP rifle is better spent on something else. Perhaps the LMT MWS http://www.google.com/products/cata...a=X&ei=slQHT73QHeaisQLHvJWRCg&ved=0CEoQxBUwAA
once again more than enough rifle for the task at hand for far less than GAP
<span style="font-weight: bold">And that was 2,300 total for classes. That's multiple, plural, as in more than one class.</span>
Training video's? god damn that's bad advice. Hands on time is the only way to learn.
I saw the movie sniper 84 times. Does that make me a sniper? haha</div></div>
If you're the last guy who needs to be told to "buy once, cry once" then why are you trying to sell him something other than what he asked for? Maybe you missed the part where the OP said <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">"I want a new bad ass gun".</span></span> The word <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">WANT</span></span></span> is the key word in that statement. The OP wasn't asking about what he <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">needs</span></span>, he is talking about what he <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">wants</span></span>.
Let's face it, if all of us here only purchased what we <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">need</span></span>, this wouldn't be much of a forum, now would it? No one <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic">needs</span></span> a hobby. They <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">want</span></span> a hobby.
I don't shoot at 1000yd ranges and I don't <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">need</span></span> a POF or <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">need</span></span> a NightForce for the 300yd range I shoot on but it's what I had the money to buy and it's what I <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">wanted</span></span>.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vkc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An important point that has not been mentioned, is that if you really are planning to shoot supressed, then I would go with a piston gun and not a DI. I agree that the extra weight and cost is not worth it most of the time, but it is a diferrent story with a suppressor. So, my vote goes for a POF vs a LWRC REPR. </div></div>
In my opinion two more bad suggestions here.
Unless your putting some major rounds through it there' s no reason you really need a piston rifle. Even if you are putting a bunch of rounds down range at once it's not all that big a deal to actually have to get in and clean your rifle.
<span style="font-weight: bold">And the quality of a POF or LWRC pale in comparison to perhaps a 416 or the more readily available FN SCAR anyhow if you just had to be the cool kid on the block with the best.
Of those I still have my 416 which as far as I've seen the quality can not be compared to.
The POF I bought was immediately sold after I got it. fit and finish were shit. Just an obvious lack of quality.</span>
This cat obviously has way more money than experience. Again it's money better spent on classes to learn. And a good suggestion above stated that once you get to a couple classes you'll see what the guys are using and make a better decision buying.
Because the likely scenario here is not "buy once, cry once". It's your going to spend way to much on a high end rifle and optic then your going to sell after you get some experience and find out something else works better for you. At a loss by the way.
I'm sure none of these guys will complain when your selling that GAP on the ads here at a loss.</div></div>
I wouldn't describe the FN SCAR as being the best but, hey, to each their own. I guess since your POF was, in your words, "shit" then I guess POF as a whole is shit in your mind, is that it?
I guaran-damn-tee you more people will be willing to buy a premium platform from him than a DPMS "beginner rig" because DPMS rifles are a dime a dozen.
The point I made previously still stands, stop trying to sell him on something you think he needs and let the guy purchase what he wants. At this point I'm banging my head against a wall here because you're hell-bent on telling him what he doesn't need and selling him on something you think he does.
