Which Dog?

swarrick

swarrick

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#1
So some of you may have known I lost both my Dogs in the past year. I lost Jada my Rotty from Cancer and Shadow my Weimaraner to a brain tumor. Well we got Bonnie another Weimaraner shortly after Shadows passing and Bonnie is awesome but way to Submissive. Anyways on with my problem I live on base and have never worried about someone breaking in to my home until recently when some Stick Jockey decided to come in to my house when me and my family were down the street at a buddies for dinner. Long story but he did not like my dog barking in the backyard so he came threw my front door, threw my home, and let my dog in. Which in turn tore some shit up in the house (she is a puppy) the one thing that bothers me is she is not at all protective of the house or aggressive at all. Me and my wife have decide to get another male dog but we are at a stand still on which breed. I want a dog that will guard my family above anything else, I would also like for it to be able to hunt and track. The breeds we are looking at are another Weimaraner(my last male was protective), American Bulldog, Black mouth Curr, or another Rotty. I also like the Texas Blue Lacy and a Catahoula Hound as well. I am looking for ya'lls advise, stories, help, opinion and past experiences

Also before anyone ask Yes that asshat broke into my house but the police said since I left the door unlocked and there was nothin taken or broke that they would not do shit about it. Even NCIS said that it was a misdemeanor at best "if we" could prove it(BULLSHIT!!!) I have been advised to stay away from him or I will find myself going home as a Civilian.
 
#2
Re: Which Dog?

Check out the Boerboel. Its a breed we developed in South Africa. Not the best for hunting though, but awesome guard dog. If someone comes through the front door, he will be best friends. If they come over the fence, well, you wont have to feed it for a few days.
 
#5
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I am a huge fan of German Shepard's, but I also have a Miniature Schnauzer and that little shit is tough as nails and is very loyal dog. Stupid as in he won't learn tricks at all but really lovable and protective.
 
#6
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Keep in mind she's still a pup.In general females will guard the family much more then property.If you guys were home it may have gone differently.Males are generally more territorial protective.

That said though not PC these days I'm a big Pit fan.There's a reason they were Americas breed the early half of the 20th century.They are strong fearless and very family oriented.By their nature they are not human aggresive other then looking out for their family.

Unfortunatly because of the practices of a few bad apples(sound familure)it can be a liability and a problem owning one in certain envioroments.

If you want something bigger that is very protective take a look at the Presacanario.Keep in mind any power breed that is focused on security needs a strong leader and brisk physical stimulation to avoid frustration and excess energy problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKwYOw1U2ZY

What ever you choose a recommend you completely reasearch the breed an be honest with yourself if it will fit into your lifestyle.Nothing more sad then taking a gladiator and putting it in a box.All power/working breeds need to do their job.

Good luck with your search.
 
#7
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Get a big male Weimaraner. I've seen a big discremancy in the sized of Weimaraner's I think some over breeding has produced some smaller one's.

My old Weimaraner/Lab was 100lbs of great family dog and very protective.

I think most dogs take at least two years before they get their "aggression" though. I think my Weim/Lab didn't become "tough" until he was 3 or 4 years old. He was just a happy dufus when he was a puppy.
 
#9
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I vote for the catahoula. I had one until someone killed it. It was easy going, protective, and loyal. When it was time to work it was ready. When it was time to chill...it was ready. These dogs are bread to grab a cow by the face until given the command to release. It would hang-on till the cow would lay down.

How does this relate to your situation? I highly doubt someone would break into your house if you had a catahoula. Plus, they are not high maintenance.

-Al

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#11
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Check into a Vizsla. Great hunting dogs, very protective and great companions.

We have a Vizsla/Lab mix now, he is the best dog we have ever owned. He has Vizsla personality and Lab size...big...115 lbs.

When we first brought our son home from the hospital, the dog layed in front of him for months, wouldn't leave his side and let everyone know that this child was not to be fucked with.

Three years later, they are best friends, the dog still sleeps in his bed and our three year old son can literally do anything to him (jump on him, tackle him, etc). Biscuit (the dog) is extremely protective of the family, he has a very good sence of what humans are OK and which ones he needs to dislike.

Really smart too, it took one time to potty train him. And Vizslas are freakin beautiful (like a Weime, but red/copper).

http://www.terrificpets.com/dog_breeds/Vizsla.asp
 
#15
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These are mine. Loyal, intelligent, fearless, and obedient. They will nuzzle my 9 month old then break a storm-door out of the mold if it's someone they don't know (it's been done several times in addition to one broken window).


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#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Witch Doctor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am a big fan of Australian Shepherd's, smart, loyal (like velcro),energetic, and adapt to pretty much any environment. I have had them for the last 15 years, and wouldn't have another breed. </div></div>

Austalian Shepherds are great except they are high maintenance like huskys. They need lots of excercise and room to run around. Great dogs though. My blue healer was kicked enough she stopped working and became fat. She was still a good dog.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SierraCharlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These are mine. Loyal, intelligent, fearless, and obedient. They will nuzzle my 9 month old then break a storm-door out of the mold if it's someone they don't know (it's been done several times in addition to one broken window).


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Good looking dogs.

-Al
 
#18
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I have a Blue Heeler, (Australian Cattle Dog to some). He is Intensely loyal and protective. I guarantee anybody that comes into my house uninvited will not be happy. Also very obedient and very smart. This is my second heeler and don't know if I would ever want another breed. He is also very gentle with children.
 
#19
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First get a bark collar for your dog. IMHO the most inconsiderate thing a neighbor can do is leaving a dog they know barks like it thinks barking is going to magically let them in the house (in your case it did) in the back yard. My neighbor use to do it constantly however I took a different approach and solved the problem. Second, lock your shit up like a responsable adult. Third get the Rotty. Sorry about your belongings getting chewed up, having your house broken into, and not being able to do anythi g about it. Live and learn my friend.
 
#21
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I will be the second one to say get a Vizsla. Great dogs for hunting and very possessive of their owners. They consider their property their territory and will gladly let you know it. They are loving and loyal dogs so long as you are around and there is no threat.
 
#22
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Swarrick, If you live on base how were you able to have a Rottie? I thought that Kalifornia banned "dangerous" breeds on-base? That would eliminate Rotties and Pitts. </div></div>

California DID banned alot of dogs there is a LONG list of them that you cannot own and rent a house with. I live on base and for some reason they do not have to adhear to that. My Rotty is the reason I lived on base to begin with.
 
#24
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I'm not sure how good of a hunting dog one would make, but dutch shepherds seem like a great guard dog and companion. Never owned any, but have been doing some reading up on them and they seem like a great dog.

Maybe someone with a dutch shepherd on the board and can pipe in some hands on info on the breed.
 
#25
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newfoundlands, have 2 and best damned dogs ive ever been around. my son has crawled on them his whole life and my 15 month old is doing the same, they protect those kids like their own puppies
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IdahoMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First get a bark collar for your dog. IMHO the most inconsiderate thing a neighbor can do is leaving a dog they know barks like it thinks barking is going to magically let them in the house (in your case it did) in the back yard. My neighbor use to do it constantly however I took a different approach and solved the problem. Second, lock your shit up like a responsable adult. Third get the Rotty. Sorry about your belongings getting chewed up, having your house broken into, and not being able to do anythi g about it. Live and learn my friend.</div></div>

I replied to this and some how it did not go threw. Here is the jist. As much as I want to argue with you.... you are correct. I live on a Military Base but I guess there are arrogant Douche bags everywhere, I will from now on leave the house locked up. Either way dogs are dogs and they bark, this is not a reason to come into my Fucking House!!! We installed a doggy door which looks like it has solved the barking problem but it has not solved the security problem. My wife wants another Rotty or another Weimaraner, I really like the Black Mouth Curr. The upside to the BMC is that they are not on the California ban list. I am thinking that those above that have mentioned the age of Bonnie are correct. I never really thought about it and I am use to having full grown dogs. The age and maturity of her being a puppy did not really enter my thoughts and yes she will probaly be protective as she grows older.

Also DMG308 brought up the reason that I will not be looking into the Texas Blue Lacy or the Catahoula Hound as much. I do not have the land or the "JOB/WORK" to keep one of those breeds happy. If I had land with cattle or If I could hunt more than I do it might be a different story.

As for small dogs that just bark, I need a dog that can do more than just raise an alarm. When I go to sea I am gone for 2-8 months or longer, leaving my wife and two kids alone. I want the security of a BadAss K-9 to stand the watch while they sleep. It is just a piece of mind while I am away.
 
#29
Re: Which Dog?

We got Bulleit when we were in Military Housing. As a half breed AmStaff/AmPitt, he really doesn't bark in the house. Never really did outside either.
Out here where he has the run of 3/4 of an acre, he does bark at people he sees on the street at night from his yard, but he is nothing like the miscreant currs up the street that bark at all hours throughout the night.

The 60 - 65 pound AMStaff is the perfect dog for a military family due to the fact that they are loyal, and will have the courage and tenacity to protect your family. AmBulldogs hold the same traits and are in the same weight class. Rotties are a little bigger and will pretty much do most of the same things, but do not hold the same level of courage as the AmStaff. They all need those morning and evening walks if they live in military housing though. Also, they are great with kids that can stand being licked and 'owned' by the dog until they learn to control the animal with the pinch collar.
Get the breed books, read up on each and every traith each dog possesses then make an infomred decision based on requirement and which dog fits best. 'I like, and I want' may not be the best judgeing property for what works.
Sam and Torin both saw this when they picked Bulleit. he fit the house and yard, is loyal, loves to play, and holds the courage and heart of a dog that should weight about 200 pounds in a 65 pound frame.
Then again, if your base is one of those pussy bases that says you can't own a pitt, rott or other 'agressive' breed, you are kinda screwed if you do it legally. Bottom line, the most viscious dog I ever saw was a golden retreiver and several smaller breeds like JRT's and other ankle biters, viscious little shits to be sure. Give me a pitt or Amstaff any day
 
#30
Re: Which Dog?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mailman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Witch Doctor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am a big fan of Australian Shepherd's, smart, loyal (like velcro),energetic, and adapt to pretty much any environment. I have had them for the last 15 years, and wouldn't have another breed. </div></div>

Austalian Shepherds are great except they are high maintenance like huskys. They need lots of excercise and room to run around. Great dogs though. My blue healer was kicked enough she stopped working and became fat. She was still a good dog.
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Don't believe all that, the Rescue people tout that all the time. In my 15 years experiance with them, and I have had 5 ranging from 8 weeks to 2 years when I got them, and each one took to being a couch potatoe quick as a hiccup. My first two were apartment dogs while I was single doing shift work with the PD. They love to exercise, and giving them a task is good, but they rock as everyday couch potatoes too.
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marduk185</div><div class="ubbcode-body">id say mastiff by a long shot, with great dane second. </div></div>

He said a dog not a horse!
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#35
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No matter what breed you decide, look into rescuing. Just here in the county I live in a couple hundred pets are euthanized A DAY. Too many good dogs dying for no reason....
 
#38
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: swarrick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the one thing that bothers me is she is not at all protective of the house or aggressive at all</div></div>

That'll change after about the 2 year mark.

My female shephard never was either but while driving up the Alcan back to Alaska I camped overnight, a stranger approached my tent and she went apeshit. I was suprised.
 
#39
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Friends of mine rescued a big 2-3 year old GSD and he is very protective of them. Great around the kids too. It's taken me a while to get him to be nice to me and I'm pretty good with dogs.

I think if you can find a mature balanced rescue dog then you will be covered from a protection perspective sooner.
 
#40
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My female shephard never was either but while driving up the Alcan back to Alaska I camped overnight, a stranger approached my tent and she went apeshit. I was suprised.

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I remember moving from FL to WA and I was sleeping in my Ranger I was towing behind a U-Haul. My Weim/Lab literally stood over top of me "on guard" every night while I slept. He was one of those "great" dogs that sets the bar pretty high for all that follow him.

I think my current Pit/Lab is going to be a good guard in another year. He's just cresting 2 and starting to get his act together.
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So have you decided yet Swarrick?</div></div>

Wife is still saying Rotty and I am looking into the BMC and some of the breeds brought up here.

Soberbiker883- I will do that, Thanks.
 
#43
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Drahthaar or Chessie. If a Drahthaar look for German parentage close up. Many American breeders have tried to tone down the agression and prey drive.

The Chessies were originally bred to guard the bay boatman's catch and gear. Again, some breeders have tried to make them into Labs. A good breeder will tell you which type he has. Either one should get you by restrictions on type of dog. Also check with your homeowners insurance carrier. Many carriers will not cover liability on certain breeds and with some it will lead to cancellation.
 
#45
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My vote is for the Chesapeake Bay Retriever. Very similiar to a Lab, but more loyal, smarter (I know dogs are as good as the trainer), and more endurance. Females will run around 70 lbs and males around 100. Do some research. They are extremely loyal to family & kids, larger, but do like to play fetch (great hunting dogs). Prob a reason you may not like em is some have high energy, but my current one (my 4th overall) goes to work with me and sits under my desk all day. When I want to play, she wants to play. At home, if anyone comes up my drive or knocks on the door she is a great alarm. Also, the Chessy is one of the first and few breeds "bred/invented" in America.

I have owned or lived with someone who owned Labs (not protective enough), German shepards (too hairy, but smart), Mastiff (too big and slobbery & eat a ton), Golden Retrievers (again too hairy and too friendly to strangers). I also have never been a fan of the bulldog breed.

I do like the idea of going to a dog pound, but be very careful of getting a dog that was mistreated. Either one of 2 things will happen: over aggressive from being beaten, or overly timid from being beaten. Both are bad traits for a dog. They can be trained to be good dogs again, but it is time consuming with no guarentee that they wont resort to old ways.

Back to the chessy, as a kid, there were several instances where Moose would have a delivery man or some stranger too scared to get outta their vehical. Also, did I mention, very kid friendly??

my 2 cents
 
#46
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a chihuaha and some peanut butter cant be beat </div></div>

Unless its two chihuahua's. It a miracle I ever leave the house!
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#47
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a chihuaha and some peanut butter cant be beat </div></div>

Unless its two chihuahua's. It a miracle I ever leave the house!
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I've told you before, "the peanut butter goes on you, not the dog!"
 
#48
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I have had two Weimaraners. The first was the best dog I have ever had. The second one was one of the worst. I have been afraid to get another one.

If you are going to not neuter one of the dogs it would be best to stick with the Weimaraner. I had field trial dogs we kept in kennels and the wife and daughter could not keep the dogs separated at the appropriate times. It was a lot easier to find homes for full blooded dogs.

If you decide to not neuter and need to keep a female in heat, it is best to have a fully enclosed kennel with a lock on the latch (a virgin vault :)) to keep the unworthy suitors away.
 
#50
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if your a strong person then I LOVE dutch shepherds and belgium malinois. but you better be active and love to have your dog with you. they are extremely loyal and hate being away from their people. my dog would howl if we left him. But he would've jumped in front of a bullet for my kids, or me. i love the breeds and will will not own anything else.
 
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