Who of you bullshitters claims 1/4 MOA all day? Show us all you proof?

[Marinevet1]

My last target..............10......1" target dots..........
I have good days, and some not good days...........10 dots, 5 rounds per dot............over all a pretty good day, but take a look at the top dot on the target that was my cold bore shot of the day........the center one.........

 

[DRandi]

It was used when I bought it and since then I added about 6,5k rounds to it.

I can drag out the log books and get the neck and throat measurements for the last time I checked if you really wanna know.

 

[DRandi]

I got not problem with 10 shot or more groups. Going through some family drama and the pics shooting in the rain with the 6.5 man bun was my first outing it 2 plus years.

 

[DRandi]

Here’s some ugliness working on shaking off the cobwebs. I’ll show my shitty groups from not making a stable firing position.

300 yards with 6.5 Creedmoor 140 Hornady ELDM.

There’s my very first group after 2.5 years of almost never even touching one of my rifles.

Edit: fixing my drunk posting.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I got not problem with 10 shot or more groups. Going through some family drama and the pics shooting in the rain with the 6.5 man bun was my first outing it 2 plus years.

All good man! I haven’t been able to go in probably 5 years outside of a handful of times.

 

[tinker]

I plan on shooting some 10 round groups on video, but I'll have to have a full day so I can edit out all the shitty results and cherry pick...

that guy on youtube called "bloke on the range" has a series of videos of people doing it. I will shamefully admit I even did it cold bore with two rifles. He said they had to be 11lbs or lighter. That was tough for me as most of my junk weighs a lot more than that. No cherry picked loads. Both cold bore.

 

[roostercogburn98]

No one here wants to do a 10 shot string. Goodness gracious.

How about a 15 round string? Not .25, but sub moa on all three from a home built AR off the hood of my gator. Did I mention it was factory IMI 77g?

 

[diggler1833]

that guy on youtube called "bloke on the range" has a series of videos of people doing it. I will shamefully admit I even did it cold bore with two rifles. He said they had to be 11lbs or lighter. That was tough for me as most of my junk weighs a lot more than that. No cherry picked loads. Both cold bore.

I did something similar, but referenced that Backfire challenge in my video.

Ended up shooting two consecutive groups of 10 shots at 300 yards. Both were right at 2"...so I was a 2/3 MOA guy that day with that load. My rifle is much heavier than 11lbs too.

Not excellent, but I don't claim to be a 1/4 minute shooter either...

 

[Emerson0311]

T3X with a clamp on brake in an ACC, Berger 153.5 factory ammo test. Shot 1 round on the gong first to make sure it would be on paper.

 

[Ronws]

How about a 15 round string? Not .25, but sub moa on all three from a home built AR off the hood of my gator. Did I mention it was factory IMI 77g?View attachment 8544570View attachment 8544571

I like what you did there. 3 different targets to show all the actual impacts. Then, it can be averaged from greatest dispersion. Which may have less weight than average dispersion.

That is, when you hear hoofbeats, you expect horses, not zebras.

 

[Ronws]

The smartass in me wanted to compile 10 of my one shot groups.

 

[Ex E6]

I don't see a distinction between "hunting" & "target" loads.
Shoot 10 shot groups with what you intend to shoot with & that's the result.

IF Hunting bullets were as accurate as Target bullets , WHY would shooters being paying nearly 2-3 times more and WHY aren't BRS using Hunting bullets in matches ???. I Don't use Hunting bullets to shoot matches with and vice a versa .

A reasonable assessment of one's weapon accuracy is shooting #3, 5 shot groups allowing 5-8 minutes cool down for the barrel between groups . If one has a spray and pray weapon ,makes little to no difference how many rounds one shoots .

 

[roostercogburn98]

I like what you did there. 3 different targets to show all the actual impacts. Then, it can be averaged from greatest dispersion. Which may have less weight than average dispersion.

That is, when you hear hoofbeats, you expect horses, not zebras.

Not an overlay but some numbers to correlate I reckon. If I did the maff right

Group 1- 1.01” or .97moa
Group 2- .99” or .95moa
Group 3- .85” or .81 moa

Three group average is .95” or .91moa

 

[Ronws]

Not an overlay but some numbers to correlate I reckon. If I did the maff right

Group 1- 1.01” or .97moa
Group 2- .99” or .95moa
Group 3- .85” or .81 moa

Three group average is .95” or .91moa

That's exactly what I was thinking.

And also the point, for example, of Jayden Quinlan from Hornady when he talked about group size depending on the job.

So, for a hunting rifle, instead of a long string 40 or 60 shots, shoot a 3 shot group and cool. Repeat that several times. And then either overlay or just do the math you did. This doesn't mean the rifle will act exactly this way the next time it is shot in a hunting scenario. But there is a good chance it will behave this way.

 

[Barelstroker]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

And also the point, for example, of Jayden Quinlan from Hornady when he talked about group size depending on the job.

So, for a hunting rifle, instead of a long string 40 or 60 shots, shoot a 3 shot group and cool. Repeat that several times. And then either overlay or just do the math you did. This doesn't mean the rifle will act exactly this way the next time it is shot in a hunting scenario. But there is a good chance it will behave this way.

I agree with shooting as the rifle will normally be used. It would tend to be more realistic in terms of how the rifle will react in the field.
If the rifle was for use in a dog town, I think it perfectly reasonable to shoot little 1/2" orange stickers at one shot per sticker. Since all that really matters is matching POI to POA & the approximate mean radius, shooting one shot per dot lets you see quick & easy where you're at. For a hunting rifle, you always want a good idea of cold bore shots & if you take the time & effort to shoot 15 or 20 to make any adjustments necessary, you'll have a rifle who's potential is fully accessible.

 

[Ronws]

I agree with shooting as the rifle will normally be used. It would tend to be more realistic in terms of how the rifle will react in the field.
If the rifle was for use in a dog town, I think it perfectly reasonable to shoot little 1/2" orange stickers at one shot per sticker. Since all that really matters is matching POI to POA & the approximate mean radius, shooting one shot per dot lets you see quick & easy where you're at. For a hunting rifle, you always want a good idea of cold bore shots & if you take the time & effort to shoot 15 or 20 to make any adjustments necessary, you'll have a rifle who's potential is fully accessible.

And also, with considerations to impact velocity and bullet performance, a good idea of the effective range of that gun.

For example, I have a .308 That shoots 3 shots of Federal Fusion 165 gr less than 1 MOA. But because of how the bullet performs and it starts out slow - ish at 2700 fps, I consider it good for 300 yards and closer. Technically, MPBR for that is a little over 200 yards. But as long as I am not shooting past 300 yards, I know I am good. So, it is good for whitetail in the thick woods where it is hard to even get a 100 yard shot.

 

[Pharmseller]

And also, with considerations to impact velocity and bullet performance, a good idea of the effective range of that gun.

For example, I have a .308 That shoots 3 shots of Federal Fusion 165 gr less than 1 MOA. But because of how the bullet performs and it starts out slow - ish at 2700 fps, I consider it good for 300 yards and closer. Technically, MPBR for that is a little over 200 yards. But as long as I am not shooting past 300 yards, I know I am good. So, it is good for whitetail in the thick woods where it is hard to even get a 100 yard shot.

At what point does velocity drop below 1800 fps?




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[Ronws]

At what point does velocity drop below 1800 fps?




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Good call. On that one, on my Strelok Pro for that gun, it is over 1800 at 500 yards and below it at 600 yards. I believe I was using 2k as a minimum. But I am aware of other bullets, such as the Hornady Precision Hunter 175 gr 7 PRC having 1800 fps on the back of the box. And with that one, I had emailed Hornady tech support. That bullet actually expands at 1600 fps and faster. But I believe they print 1800 fps to ensure a shooter is getting good performance at impact velocity.

Even though I have shot a .70 inch pattern in 3 shots, that is at a range. An indoor range. So, in the field, I still call it a 1 MOA rifle, not a sub MOA rifle. Because I am part of the system.

 

[Pharmseller]

So the bullet should perform at 500 but you’re limiting it to 300?




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[Oldloser]

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That's exactly what I was thinking.

And also the point, for example, of Jayden Quinlan from Hornady when he talked about group size depending on the job.

So, for a hunting rifle, instead of a long string 40 or 60 shots, shoot a 3 shot group and cool. Repeat that several times. And then either overlay or just do the math you did. This doesn't mean the rifle will act exactly this way the next time it is shot in a hunting scenario. But there is a good chance it will behave this way.

A good protocol is to shoot a 5 round group at zero, go work props, then shoot the same at the end.

Nowadays, I do a three round group, and if they are all same hole, go do my thing, then come back and put one to end the day in the aforementioned hole.

 

[Oldloser]

IF Hunting bullets were as accurate as Target bullets , WHY would shooters being paying nearly 2-3 times more and WHY aren't BRS using Hunting bullets in matches ???. I Don't use Hunting bullets to shoot matches with and vice a versa .

A reasonable assessment of one's weapon accuracy is shooting #3, 5 shot groups allowing 5-8 minutes cool down for the barrel between groups . If one has a spray and pray weapon ,makes little to no difference how many rounds one shoots .

The Berger Extreme Hunter bullets are the best out there. Better than the target bullets. Extremely consistent.

Maybe you meant commercially available cartridges?

 

[thejeep]

So the bullet should perform at 500 but you’re limiting it to 300?




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When I do my part

 

[sloporsche]

When I do my part

yep...i have a 300 win mag that will shoot well past 500 meters but in my old hands it would require the target to wait patiently until i finally walked a round into it

 

[Ronws]

So the bullet should perform at 500 but you’re limiting it to 300?




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Yes, mainly because of me. The shooting position I have is in the woods with a tripod. Also, my sight line in most places I can hunt maxes out about around 300.

 

[Ex E6]

The Berger Extreme Hunter bullets are the best out there. Better than the target bullets. Extremely consistent.

Maybe you meant commercially available cartridges?

Generally speaking Target bullets are designed for extreme accuracy and hunting bullets are designed to expand upon impact ; Unless they're solids and many of those are lathe turned ,especially in larger caliber . Just by visual comparison aerodynamics are obvious .

A typical hunting bullet ;

As opposed to a typical Match target bullet . There are always exceptions to the rules .

 

[Rthur]

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[coldboremiracle]

Generally speaking Target bullets are designed for extreme accuracy and hunting bullets are designed to expand upon impact ; Unless they're solids and many of those are lathe turned ,especially in larger caliber . Just by visual comparison aerodynamics are obvious .

A typical hunting bullet ;

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As opposed to a typical Match target bullet . There are always exceptions to the rules .

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Are you talking about the quoted post?