Re: Why all the interest in FFP scopes?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hired Gun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay. my Marines are now armed with some nice guns and they have plenty of money left to buy ammo with.
Sometimes it looks a little slow around here. Over 1200 have viewed this thread and I was afraid I wouldn't get much responce.
I promise I do not know this guy nor did I make him up but this is exactly the stereotypical questions I'm getting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coma</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I am setting up a new .308 hunting rig, mainly deer, hog and plinking. I have yet experienced the thrill of expensive glass, but on this rig I will pony up. I am fairly new to hunting, I have hunted fowl and hog but never with my own rig, so I am new to that regards.
I am looking into the $1500 range for a scope and I am wondering, if FFP is overkill? I will do some long range shooting, probably not hunting (maybe GH) so I am going to use a graduated reticle.
I was thinking about the NXS 3x15 but the price difference on FFP vs SFP is CRAZY.
Do I really need FFP? I mean for $2200 is the NXS better than say USO? </div></div>
I'm all for nice stuff but in my head I'm screaming, who put this in your head? He is a real guy asking on this same forum and he can't hardly get a straight answer. He wants a nice scope and he is being shown budget FFP scopes rather than answering his question.
Some are giving him good advice but didn't I ask about the same thing and within minutes I'm blowing the site up. He seems like a nice guy. Why not head over and give me a demo of how you answer a guy like this in your shop. </div></div>
the answer is simple as it is obvious... we'll address your monkey reference after.
The person you quoted gave you certain keywords to help answer him:
1. It's a hunting rifle.
2. It's secondary purpose is casual shooting
3. He gave you a price point $1500
The decision you tell him is, a SFP NXS is his best bet, in the 3-15X model.
Here is why, he is shooting deer with a 308, what 70 yards maybe as much as 300 if he is good. He doesn't need a lot of magnification and he certainly doesn't need a FFP for his casual type shooting. he probably only shoots a case of ammo a year, if that.
So why would you dance around the question in such a way, the sale is easy. Front Focal Plane scopes shine with higher magnifications, specifically for tactical shooters and competition shooters -- not F Class, or Benchrest.
The benefits of a Front Focal Plane scope go well beyond ranging, however they are also not for the casual shooter. If you guy comes in driving a Mercedes and asks you the same question, well then of course you go with the highest dollar scope you can sell him... it's not hard, its business.
You come on here calling people who use a FFP scope Monkey's only knowing one thing, "Ranging" which is a buzzword you picked up, and wonder why people are a little gruff with you. This is basic stuff, and like anything else, the right tool for the right job. If you job is shooting F Class you don't buy or sell a person 10X scope, you want more magnification. If the person tells you they are building a Custom Tactical Rig, you should be selling them or recommend a FFP scope.
This is SH, this isn't Long Range Hunting.... what they do there is product of their experience. What is offered up as advice is a product of ours... Front Focal Plane scopes happen to be an invaluable tool for long range precision shooter, especially in field conditions. Whether or not you understand that, has a bearing on the advice given and clearly your understanding of what Tactical Shooters engage in is limited. It is up to you to educate yourself, but calling the teachers monkeys isn't the way to win friends and influence people to help you.
In my opinion, you're being obstinate for the sake of it because you don't understand the use, clearly you don't. You shot for "X" number of year never going near a FFP scope, you sell people scopes all day long including cops who never shoot past 300 yards and they do perfectly fine with a 10X Leupold so why all the buzz with a FFP. Well, try reading, searching and educating yourself before being argumentative simply because "you don't know the answer" when in my opinion the answer is as black and white as the text on this page.
If a person tells them to buy a Vortex Viper in FFP, that is not a bad decision, because if the person has an interest, it is an excellent starting point. However it is not necessary for the reasons mentioned.
Aside from the reasons quoted, 1. SFP scope some time have issue with the reticles being accurate even on the marked power. Anyone using a SFP should be mapping the reticle, unless they are just using it for a center hold and nothing else. However as been described, we use the reticle for more than just ranging and center holds, we feel they have every bit the value as the turrets and in some cases more. They are faster and just as accurate as a turret because they do have value regardless of the power. We also like to open up our FOV and with things like NV you need the power turned down, so you might want your 16X put at 8X, but really who cares if it is between 9X and 7X because it doesn't matter, my sight picture and with NV I can use my holds on 9X, or 7X or anyone near there. So the significance in poor conditions cannot be overlook.
There is lot to learn, however insulting those with the knowledge will not get you far....
