Why do people seem down on Savage rifles?

[Greg Langelius *]

Somewhat O/T, but FYI.

Greg

I'm using this program to order a Savage 110 Hunter 30-06 soonest. Cost with shipping, less FFL (no tax on this in AZ) will come to $536.

Scope and rings additional. I chose the scope for the side focus, not especially interested in the illuminated reticle, but so what? I can use the offset ring inserts to get a little mounting slope.

Because our Daughter is divorcing, I was trying to get back my former Win 70 Featherweight 30-06; but it's not going smooth, so I decided to buy one instead. One look at the $1009 pricetag, and that option was history, hence the Savage 110. The weight difference is about 12 oz, and the features are very nice compared to the Win.

 

[supercorndogs]

100% agree. I've got no problem at all with telling people all are reasons that they aren't good (extraction, ejection, feeding, etc), and hate the fanboy-ism as much as anybody. Those are the same reasons I would tell someone to not buy one.

It is just the moving goalpost thing like corndog is doing that is annoying to me. "They aren't actually that cheap." "But here is the evidence that they are."

"They aren't actually that accurate." "But here is evidence that at least a fair number are."

"But gift cards are still money." "But it isn't money the consumer is spending, so it is irrelevant."

I am sorry I was probably too harsh to start off.

You spent 86 dollars on a gift card. That is consumer money. They gave you 14% off for promising to spend there. For Cableas that is usually a big win with their mark up. You got good deal on a rifle you're happy with. I am glad for you.

Please understand there are guys here like Greg, who have shot thousands and thousands of rounds, and were around here for years before me. Guys I have learned a lot from and have lot of respect for, because I know they have done the work to back up what they say. Your 250rd count doesn't carry much clout. You call me disingenuous for having an opinion on something you don't even have enough experience to have a valid opinion about yet. IMO.

Having said all this I think your comment should have read. "My savage seems accurate over 250rds for 300 dollars." Not "savages are 1/2 MOA rifles for 2-300 dollars." They all are not. And they are not all 2-300 dollars. Although that doesn't really answer the question the thread asked which was.

Why do people seem down on Savage rifles?

Because they are no feeding, ugly, unreliable, poorly fitted pieces of shit. LOL. Sure are accurate though......Reason PRS shooters are down on them, is because slow feeding looses matches if you're good.

 

[Coffee is for closers]

To have been shooting over 50,000 rounds/yr for more years than most have been alive and to have never had a problem with a savage or almost anything for that matter is a little hard to believe ...

With your luck, you should be buying as many lottery tickets as possible.

Any chance you have a good hookup to find hard cases for a savage evolution?

 

[Raivkka]

As a left handed shooter I had no options execpt the Savage so I got a Stealth BA10 and haven't looked back.

 

[LeftyJason]

As a left handed shooter I had no options execpt the Savage so I got a Stealth BA10 and haven't looked back.

Tikka has lefthanded. Tac a1 is available lefty.

 

[Scotts556]

Tikka has lefthanded. Tac a1 is available lefty.

If I had the money to get a TAC A1 rebarreled the day after I got it I would own one.

 

[sav338lapua]

i told you guys the savage haters come out on everyone of these threads, you can go back 10 years and you'll see the same type of thread with the same bitching about savages.

 

[NateVA]

i told you guys the savage haters come out on everyone of these threads, you can go back 10 years and you'll see the same type of thread with the same bitching about savages.

In other words, it's either a decade-old conspiracy of misinformation or maybe people really have these issues.

 

[wade2big]

i told you guys the savage haters come out on everyone of these threads, you can go back 10 years and you'll see the same type of thread with the same bitching about savages.

Or someone started a thread about what is wrong with Savage rifles and members are answering his question. Makes sense.

 

[308220]

Can we get a "Why do people seem down on Remington rifles"?


Savages suck so bad, they have no problem staying in business. Makes sense. If a product was total junk, wouldnt it eventually be weeded out by the free market? Because ya know, that is what us consumers do. But instead, Savage has only gained popularity. Must be because of shit rifles. Yep. Perfect sense. People arent going to buy total junk. No matter how cheap it is.

Remington made good rifles decades ago, and people shelled out the money for them no problem. Remington started making shit rifles and people stopped buying them. Now look where Remington is at. Free market. People will buy the best product, for the best price. And that is where Savage comes in. Fact. You all can move the goal posts all you want. Fact is, Savage is going to sell thousands of rifles tomorrow, no matter how much you bitch here.


Common sense, most people lack.

 

[Bkultra]

McDonald's sells more cheeseburgers than anyone and not exactly because they are a quality product. People will buy crap if it's cheap.

 

[verdugo60]

If I had the money to get a TAC A1 rebarreled the day after I got it I would own one.

Maybe I missed it but why would you need to get the Tikka rebarreled? They shoot great from the box, and not a shitty savage bolt throw, extraction nightmare, lol. Unless you want a non-standard caliber I suppose.

 

[verdugo60]

Can we get a "Why do people seem down on Remington rifles"?


Savages suck so bad, they have no problem staying in business. Makes sense. If a product was total junk, wouldnt it eventually be weeded out by the free market? Because ya know, that is what us consumers do. But instead, Savage has only gained popularity. Must be because of shit rifles. Yep. Perfect sense. People arent going to buy total junk. No matter how cheap it is.

Remington made good rifles decades ago, and people shelled out the money for them no problem. Remington started making shit rifles and people stopped buying them. Now look where Remington is at. Free market. People will buy the best product, for the best price. And that is where Savage comes in. Fact. You all can move the goal posts all you want. Fact is, Savage is going to sell thousands of rifles tomorrow, no matter how much you bitch here.

Common sense, most people lack.

Again, no one here has said they are total junk with no value. Take your feelings out about the savage you own. They are a cheaply built rifle that has higher than average failures, are ugly and actually shoot pretty darn good for the price(sometimes). There is a market for them and I personally don't fault anyone getting into the sport who starts with one or can't afford better. The question was asked why people are down on them and those reasons have been given and are valid.

The ease of swapping barrels due to design and the accuracy are upsides. Don't buy a Savage and start dumping money into it. Eventually you will have spent almost as much as for a better base system but still have the issues of a Savage. I am grateful to have started with one many years ago. Shot my first handloads through that rifle and hit my first thousand yard target with it. Shot my first sub- moa group with it. Fond memories.... And I'm grateful I can afford my custom rifles and AI AT that bring much more joy while using due to the reliability and smooth bolt throw.

MANY people wish they would have saved or just spent a few hundred dollars more to get a Tikka,Bergara or Remington as a base for a build vs putting expensive lipstick on a Savage pig. Many have also gotten a lot of good use out of that pig, myself included. But an AI they ain't!

With custom, less expensive actions hitting the market like Axiom, Nucleus, etc, that use savage pre-fits there is even more incentive to save a bit more and have all the good of a Savage without the bad. Like the guy that eventually had $1500 into his savage and could have had a Tikka CTR for $800 or a John Hancock for $2000.

Common sense goes both ways bud.

 

[-=boone=-]

Can we get a "Why do people seem down on Remington rifles"?


Savages suck so bad, they have no problem staying in business. Makes sense. If a product was total junk, wouldnt it eventually be weeded out by the free market? Because ya know, that is what us consumers do. But instead, Savage has only gained popularity. Must be because of shit rifles. Yep. Perfect sense. People arent going to buy total junk. No matter how cheap it is.

Remington made good rifles decades ago, and people shelled out the money for them no problem. Remington started making shit rifles and people stopped buying them. Now look where Remington is at. Free market. People will buy the best product, for the best price. And that is where Savage comes in. Fact. You all can move the goal posts all you want. Fact is, Savage is going to sell thousands of rifles tomorrow, no matter how much you bitch here.


Common sense, most people lack.

Yet again, Savage is not total junk. They are a cheaply made product that will deliver good accuracy. The flaws have already been highlighted, no need to rehash them.

Remington still makes a good product. They have QC issues like every major manufacturer, Savage included. If you think the current financial constraints Remington is in is solely based upon Remington sales you’re not on the up and up and so goes your common sense.

No one moved the goal posts. The fact is you’re not even playing on the same field.
“Why do people seem down on savage rifles?”
That question was answered numerous times. Its design has short comings along with known failures. You’re yet another individual that took this as a personal affront to your character. You could be Jesus Christ and my factual based opinion about Savage rifles wouldn’t change.

As far as how many rifles Savage sells? Don’t know don’t care. I would hate to see them or any other firearm manufacturer go out of business because to me that means the libs are winning.

If you own and enjoy your savage rifles that’s absolutely great. Good for you, simply acknowledge the short comings of the rifle and drive on. It’s not a personal attack against you guys and I’d much rather see you enjoying the sport with your savage than not.

Now what I find humorous is when you compare that rifle to my AI or custom Remington’s. I’ve had several savage guys tell me I was stupid for owning my rifles and their savage performs just as well. No sweetheart they don’t. Can they be just as accurate? Absolutely! There is however more to it than that. I don’t compare my little Nissan Frontier to a Ford rapture nor should I.

 

[Gibble888]

I feel the same way about Rem 700's

 

[wade2big]

I feel the same way about Rem 700's

I bet you do

 

[Leozinho]

Again, no one here has said they are total junk with no value. Take your feelings out about the savage you own. They are a cheaply built rifle that has higher than average failures, are ugly and actually shoot pretty darn good for the price(sometimes). .

Actually, they've been called pieces of shit over and over in this thread.

I have a Savage that I bought about ten years due to the ability to throw a new barrel on there. Never had any issues but never ran it hard. Having said that, with the increased popularity and offering of 'precision' rifles, my next rifle will be something different, probably a 'budget' Howa. (I'm sticking with the 'budget' theme.)

I'd like to think I'm neither a fanboy nor a hater.

In fact, I think Savage's are less attractive now with the RPR and Howa's and Bergara all the other entry-level rifles that are going to be sub-MOA rifles.

But go back 8 to 10 years and think about what was available then, and remember at that time you could buy a used Savage deer rifle at a pawn shop for $200 (with Accutrigger), put on a $300 Shilen/McGowen/Criterion barrel at home and bed it to a laminate Boyd's stock, and have a .75MOA shooter (likely/possibly) in your caliber of choice for $700.

And ya'll mean to tell me all the hate was simply because Savage has extraction issues or the bolt requires a little force to cycle? Hell, no. There was much more to it. You know the budget Savages rustled the jimmies of the folks that paid to build a M24 clone that wasn't grouping as well. Not to mention the guys that paid $$$ and waited long times to get a GAP that offered a small improvement in accuracy.

I don't even think you could get a factory 700 in 6.5 CM back then (could very well be wrong about that, but I think most factory 'tactical' offerings were in .308, if my memory serves.)

But like I said, it's a different ballgame now and the Savages aren't nearly as attractive now as there were back then, in my opinion. You don't need an aftermarket barrel to get sub-MOA performance. Plenty of factory rifles will do that now. Plus, other actions are barrel nut compatible, so there goes that.

(Although if you qualify for the LEO/Mil discount, you are getting a lot of rifle for not a lot of money with Savage. The 110 Tactical comes to mind.)

 

[Gibble888]

I bet you do

Good One!

 

[Barryd]

I was not originally. Purchased a Axis model from Walmart (2 months ago?) 6.5CM. First time out it would not fully eject the cases a majority of the time (20 rounds fired). Just left the empty case lying inside the rifle. Contacted Savage Arms and received a case number. Have not heard from them since. Tried contacting them twice since. No response. Thinking of using my chop saw and making this rifle into 4 equal length pieces and mailing it back to them.

 

[LeftyJason]

I was not originally. Purchased a Axis model from Walmart (2 months ago?) 6.5CM. First time out it would not fully eject the cases a majority of the time (20 rounds fired). Just left the empty case lying inside the rifle. Contacted Savage Arms and received a case number. Have not heard from them since. Tried contacting them twice since. No response. Thinking of using my chop saw and making this rifle into 4 equal length pieces and mailing it back to them.

Just a warning.

I wouldn't do the chopping if i were you. You would likely be manufacturing an illegal short barrel rifle which has penalty of 10 years and $10,000 fine.


From the atf page on destroying machine guns ( which is the best we have). No pictures of bolt guns.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/machinegun-destruction
"The purpose of this procedure is to destroy the receiver or frame in a manner that will prevent its function and future use as a firearm. A proper method of destroying this firearm is to cut the receiver into separate pieces as follows. All cutting must be done with a cutting torch having a tip of sufficient size to displace at least ¼ inch of material at each location.

• Each cut must completely sever the receiver in the area indicated by the diagonal lines.
• The receiver must be completely severed in each area indicated with a diagonal torch cut.
• Cutting by means of a band saw or cut-off wheel does not ensure destruction."

 

[Barryd]

LoL...

Can't use it or get rid of it. 4 equal length parts would render it unusable.

 

[verdugo60]

Actually, they've been called pieces of shit over and over in this thread.

And ya'll mean to tell me all the hate was simply because Savage has extraction issues or the bolt requires a little force to cycle? Hell, no. There was much more to it. You know the budget Savages rustled the jimmies of the folks that paid to build a M24 clone that wasn't grouping as well. Not to mention the guys that paid $$$ and waited long times to get a GAP that offered a small improvement in accuracy.

In the hierarchy of precision rifles they are pieces of shit.

I doubt people shooting GAP's or AI's gave two shits about a Savage rifle shooting like theirs sometimes. They are not in the same class, even in accuracy usually. I think that's what Savage shooters like to IMAGINE people with nicer rifles are thinking.

When they are just enjoying their rifle and rolling their eyes when someone in a forum says they wasted money on anything but a Savage because it shoots good sometimes.

 

[MarinePMI]

I doubt people shooting GAP's or AI's gave two shits about a Savage rifle shooting like theirs sometimes. They are not in the same class, even in accuracy usually. I think that's what Savage shooters like to IMAGINE people with nicer rifles are thinking.

When they are just enjoying their rifle and rolling their eyes when someone in a forum says they wasted money on anything but a Savage because it shoots good sometimes.

This ^^^ I hear it occasionally from the typical old(er) fat guy at the range. You know, the one shooting groups at 100 yds on a 8" shoot-n-c target, off a bench, in a rifle rest, while eating a doughnut, and picking his ass.

I think it humorous that so many folks are defensive about the commented deficiencies of the Savage action, and then say the commentators are haters. I find it humorous, because many of us that have commented about the negatives, are PRS style shooters and previous Savage owners...so we kind of have first hand experience what happens when you try to run a Savage hard.

Again, nothing wrong with a Savage if that's what you can afford when starting out (that was where I was at the time). But be honest with yourselves and others, it has deficiencies when it's run hard and fast. Just accept it and move on. Hell, those that run them and still finish high have my respect because for one they're obviously a good shooter. And two, they can function under stress, because a Savage will eventually gag during a stage, and you have to remain cool and focused to clear the stoppage and still have your mind in the game.

I don't know about everyone else, but that kind of composure sure earns my respect.

 

[Leozinho]

In the hierarchy of precision rifles they are pieces of shit.

I doubt people shooting GAP's or AI's gave two shits about a Savage rifle shooting like theirs sometimes. They are not in the same class, even in accuracy usually. I think that's what Savage shooters like to IMAGINE people with nicer rifles are thinking.

When they are just enjoying their rifle and rolling their eyes when someone in a forum says they wasted money on anything but a Savage because it shoots good sometimes.

You can doubt GAP shooters care, but yet GAP (insert XYZ custom or semi-custom rifle) shooters would come out of the woodwork to shit on Savages. I too wondered why. No, they shouldn't give two shits. They aren't in the same class. And yet...here you guys are.


I said 'would' come out of the woodwork because I don't know the current state of the forum since I've been dormant for years and just recently started browsing again. I don't know if they still do. I would like to think the whole "Oh a Savage shooter is bragging about his groups. Let me tell him he's going to have extraction problems!" has passed. (but maybe this thread is an indication that it hasn't.)

Do Ferrari owners post on Honda Civic threads to tell them they bought a cheap car. I should think not. The difference between Ferrari/Honda and GAP/Savage is that every once in a while a Savage can hang with a GAP, while no Honda is going to hang with a Ferrari. That might explain the insecurity.

 

[NateVA]

I would like to think the whole "Oh a Savage shooter is bragging about his groups. Let me tell him he's going to have extraction problems!" has passed. (but maybe this thread is an indication that it hasn't.)

Look at the OP. Was he posting a group he shot with a Savage and people started piling on him? Or was he directly asking why people don't like Savages, and then got responses explaining why?

The rest of your post is really just confirmation bias. If everyone had said positive things about Savage rifles, then they're good. If everyone craps on them, clearly they're insecure because Savage rifles are so good. Where exactly is room in that logic for Savage rifles to be anything other than good?

 

[verdugo60]

Do Ferrari owners post on Honda Civic threads to tell them they bought a cheap car. I should think not. The difference between Ferrari/Honda and GAP/Savage is that every once in a while a Savage can hang with a GAP, while no Honda is going to hang with a Ferrari. That might explain the insecurity.

What happened here is a potential buyer (I assume) came to ask about why people who shoot a lot don't like "Honda's". Ferrari, Porche, and Lexus owners who have owned Honda's chimed in explaining why people aren't using them at the high level. Then Honda owners got butthurt when we answered the question.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Do Ferrari owners post on Honda Civic threads to tell them they bought a cheap car. I should think not. The difference between Ferrari/Honda and GAP/Savage is that every once in a while a Savage can hang with a GAP, while no Honda is going to hang with a Ferrari. That might explain the insecurity.

The Ferrari/Honda analogy is actually pretty good, but you got it wrong. Plenty of people have dumped tons of money and time into Honda's, and some of them can hang with Ferrari's. For just a couple seconds. Then they break down.
So all in all, a perfect parallel to the custom vs. Savage argument.

For what it's worth I own several Savages and zero high end bolt guns. A Savage is fine if you only need one round to hit a deer every year, or shoot from a bench with all the time in the world. For any other purpose they are just shit rifles that generally happen to shoot more accurately than the price would suggest. That's not rare anymore like it was 10 years ago so Savages main claim to fame is gone.

 

[tadawson]

What happened here is a potential buyer (I assume) came to ask about why people who shoot a lot don't like "Honda's". Ferrari, Porche, and Lexus owners who have owned Honda's chimed in explaining why people aren't using them at the high level. Then Honda owners got butthurt when we answered the question.

Feels at time more like it's the "I owned a Honda 10 years ago that is no longer being built, and that gives me the right to judge all Hondas for all time" Things evolve, and issues from 5 or 10 years ago may no longer exist . . .

 

[verdugo60]

Feels at time more like it's the "I owned a Honda 10 years ago that is no longer being built, and that gives me the right to judge all Hondas for all time" Things evolve, and issues from 5 or 10 years ago may no longer exist . . .

Or they do...as evidenced by new owners having the same issues and the design not really changing at all, just the stocks and calibers. Leave your feelings at the door Honda boy, lol.

 

[tadawson]

Wow, I'm impressed . . . . choada boy has spoken, and it appears that absolutely nothing of value has come out of it's hole . . . . .

 

[wpierce]

I like my Savage but I have two complaints: heavy bolt lift, and no KRG Bravo or Magpul Hunter support. Never any good stocks for Savage. I’m probably going to sell it and buy an Origin.

 

[verdugo60]

Wow, I'm impressed . . . . choada boy has spoken, and it appears that absolutely nothing of value has come out of it's hole . . . . .

" Sniff, but I have a Savage so there can't be anything wrong with them because that would make ME wrong! Sniff sniff. I just joined this site and bought a Savage and mine works fine and I'm FINE."

 

[Gibble888]

I keep hearing about this "heavy bolt lift" but on my 110 i only get that at max pressure.....is this something other than that?

 

[tadawson]

" Sniff, but I have a Savage so there can't be anything wrong with them because that would make ME wrong! Sniff sniff. I just joined this site and bought a Savage and mine works fine and I'm FINE."

Three or four loud mouthed blowhards is statistically about as relevant as a fart in a hurricaine. As others have noted, it seems like the same few dolts are the only ones complaining, despite the large amout of gear out there, posing the question of *why you have any credibility whatsoever*. Bleating something over and over without statistical proof means nothing. Attacking those who disagree with valid reasons just show you are an idiot! Heck, looking at various groups for reported problems, all that seems to show up are a number of cases of the original 110BA in 338 having cases get stuck, but magically, never with factory ammo. That tells me that those few may just plain be overloading and ignoring those signs . . . Note also, that after the 110BA, the Stealth and Stealth Evolution use a totally different barrel, and I have heard *zero* report of that issue in the newer models, indicating that an issue was found, and likely corrected. The soreheads can't seem to comprehend that products evolve, and that their data may no longer be valid, especially since they don't use the gear.

So, my main issue is not as much if there were ever problems or not, but more are the blowhards credible, and even workingnwith current data when they bleat, or just a bunch of idiots who overload, cause problems, and then blame anything but the obvious?

As noted above, this is the internet, and you have the same credibility as the guy next to you. Why should we buy intomyour ranting, versus what appears to be contradictory fact from many more, ewually credible, sources?

And don't bother with more 5 year old level insults . . . .you just show what an idiot you really are . . . . "People,don't buy my spew . . . . .waaaaaahhhhhh!"

Post some credible *data*, not just anecdotes, and more might consider your points!

(And for what it's worth, I can afford anybrifle I want . . . this was my entry point ton338lm for 'bang for the buck' . . . I also have hand builds, Barrett, etc. . . .it's not about being cheap, it's about having found zero to minimal credible reason not to . . .)

 

[tadawson]

(Duplicate)

 

[wpierce]

Yeah I have to muscle the action open, think of over pressure loads except it’s with everything.

 

[verdugo60]

Three or four loud mouthed blowhards is statistically about as relevant as a fart in a hurricaine. As others have noted, it seems like the same few dolts are the only ones complaining, despite the large amout of gear out there, posing the question of *why you have any credibility whatsoever*. Bleating something over and over without statistical proof means nothing. Attacking those who disagree with valid reasons just show you are an idiot! Heck, looking at various groups for reported problems, all that seems to show up are a number of cases of the original 110BA in 338 having cases get stuck, but magically, never with factory ammo. That tells me that those few may just plain be overloading and ignoring those signs . . . Note also, that after the 110BA, the Stealth and Stealth Evolution use a totally different barrel, and I have heard *zero* report of that issue in the newer models, indicating that an issue was found, and likely corrected. The soreheads can't seem to comprehend that products evolve, and that their data may no longer be valid, especially since they don't use the gear.

So, my main issue is not as much if there were ever problems or not, but more are the blowhards credible, and even workingnwith current data when they bleat, or just a bunch of idiots who overload, cause problems, and then blame anything but the obvious?

As noted above, this is the internet, and you have the same credibility as the guy next to you. Why should we buy intomyour ranting, versus what appears to be contradictory fact from many more, ewually credible, sources?

And don't bother with more 5 year old level insults . . . .you just show what an idiot you really are . . . . "People,don't buy my spew . . . . .waaaaaahhhhhh!"

Post some credible *data*, not just anecdotes, and more might consider your points!

(And for what it's worth, I can afford anybrifle I want . . . this was my entry point ton338lm for 'bang for the buck' . . . I also have hand builds, Barrett, etc. . . .it's not about being cheap, it's about having found zero to minimal credible reason not to . . .)

You

Three or four loud mouthed blowhards is statistically about as relevant as a fart in a hurricaine. As others have noted, it seems like the same few dolts are the only ones complaining, despite the large amout of gear out there, posing the question of *why you have any credibility whatsoever*. Bleating something over and over without statistical proof means nothing. Attacking those who disagree with valid reasons just show you are an idiot! Heck, looking at various groups for reported problems, all that seems to show up are a number of cases of the original 110BA in 338 having cases get stuck, but magically, never with factory ammo. That tells me that those few may just plain be overloading and ignoring those signs . . . Note also, that after the 110BA, the Stealth and Stealth Evolution use a totally different barrel, and I have heard *zero* report of that issue in the newer models, indicating that an issue was found, and likely corrected. The soreheads can't seem to comprehend that products evolve, and that their data may no longer be valid, especially since they don't use the gear.

So, my main issue is not as much if there were ever problems or not, but more are the blowhards credible, and even workingnwith current data when they bleat, or just a bunch of idiots who overload, cause problems, and then blame anything but the obvious?

As noted above, this is the internet, and you have the same credibility as the guy next to you. Why should we buy intomyour ranting, versus what appears to be contradictory fact from many more, ewually credible, sources?

And don't bother with more 5 year old level insults . . . .you just show what an idiot you really are . . . . "People,don't buy my spew . . . . .waaaaaahhhhhh!"

Post some credible *data*, not just anecdotes, and more might consider your points!

(And for what it's worth, I can afford anybrifle I want . . . this was my entry point ton338lm for 'bang for the buck' . . . I also have hand builds, Barrett, etc. . . .it's not about being cheap, it's about having found zero to minimal credible reason not to . . .)

Hilarious that in a Savage thread that I usually don't even participate in (because of mongoloids like yourself) you're saying I'm the childish blowhard and then you rant for 5 paragraphs. You're obviously triggered by even the hint of a product you own having potential issues. Yours hasn't, good for you, have a cookie. Many have, including myself and actually every Savage I have seen. A question was asked and answered, the only blowhards are the savage owners who refuse to recognize that some of us had bad experiences due to a shitty product and design and are coming from a place of knowledge and experience. It shouldn't hurt your feelings. Yours works apparently so go enjoy it and stop ranting at people that had a different experience. Enjoy your "hand-built" you're obviously a pro.

Plenty of data in this thread for those that have actual questions. For the rest...keep trying to convince yourselves that it's a waste of money to have anything but a Savage. Then go run it hard in a match and get back to us.

 

[verdugo60]

Yeah I have to muscle the action open, think of over pressure loads except it’s with everything.

Wpierce, it's a common issue. Good luck. Supposedly there is a mod to lighten the bolt lift. Or you could have headspace issues, causing overpressure even with factory ammo. I have heard horror stories of barrels way out of spec from the factory.

If you stick around in the thread a few of these people will convince you it's all in your head and that you are part of the anti-savage conspiracy because they are so freaking good, they put all other rifles that cost 10 times as much to shame.

 

[wpierce]

I have go, no go gauges and the headspace seems fine. Maybe I should open it up a little

 

[verdugo60]

I have go, no go gauges and the headspace seems fine. Maybe I should open it up a little

That is a good thing. At least it should be safe. Again, tough bolt lift and poor extraction is common with them.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

I have go, no go gauges and the headspace seems fine. Maybe I should open it up a little

I'm hesitant to post in this dumpster-fire of a thread, but here goes...

If everything measures fine with go and no-go guages, your heavy bolt lift has nothing to do with head space, and there's no need to alter the current headspace. Heavy bolt lift in savages is mostly due to how they re-cock themselves when the bolt is opened. It can be improved, but the best way to go about that is to have a gunsmith re-profile the cocking ramp on the bolt and do something to reduce friction on the cocking sleeve. Some guys do this themselves, but not everyone is comfortable with home-brew bolt modifications.

There are also a few types of bolt lift kits available that can help lighten or at least smooth things up, but again you're still modifying/correcting the Savage design to make it feel closer to how other factory guns feel out of the box. And investing money into the rifle in the process, something that may be tolerable if you already own the rifle, but also something that should be considered before buying one.

 

[MarinePMI]

^^^^ This

IIRC, there was a ".38Spec brass and ball bearing" fix.

 

[Gibble888]

OK so the heavy bolt lift is due to the cocking mechanism which i guess i dont even notice so maybe someone needs more Protein in their diet.....i see non issue

 

[Tx_Aggie]

OK so the heavy bolt lift is due to the cocking mechanism which i guess i dont even notice so maybe someone needs more Protein in their diet.....i see non issue

And we're back to insulting those with whom we disagree...

 

[NateVA]

OK so the heavy bolt lift is due to the cocking mechanism which i guess i dont even notice so maybe someone needs more Protein in their diet.....i see non issue

No one complains about bolt lift because they're UNABLE to lift the bolt. It's about the disturbance to the rifle when the bolt is run during things where multiple shots are needed, such as competitions.

 

[Gibble888]

And we're back to insulting those with whom we disagree...

All i am saying is if that is the heavy bolt lift it is blown out of proportion.
Otherwise are we really that sensitive? I think i see the problem.

 

[verdugo60]

I'm hesitant to post in this dumpster-fire of a thread, but here goes...

LOL, welcome to the white trash vortex bro, where trying to share information equals ranting and "trailers are a perfectly good house, tornados aren't real!"

 

[Tx_Aggie]

All i am saying is if that is the heavy bolt lift it is blown out of proportion.
Otherwise are we really that sensitive? I think i see the problem.

You could've stated that you don't mind the heavy bolt lift, and don't personally see it as a problem, without suggesting the poster who asked about it is a weakling who needs more protein in his diet.

As for the other, again with the personal insults. Here's a hint, it doesn't really back up your point the way you seem to think it does.

 

[Gibble888]

30 lbs? Come on lets be real!!!
Did i name names? If it bothers you maybe you are taking it too personally.

 

[Gibble888]

As for the other, again with the personal insults. Here's a hint, it doesn't really back up your point the way you seem to think it does.[/QUOTE]

Keep your hint...this forum is about guns not feelings.