I've purchased three second hand Vortex scopes this week... love me a good fire sale.
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Rifle Scopes Why is everyone bailing on Vortex scopes?
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The only complaint I regularly here about the Vortex Razor G2s is that they made the internals out of concrete. People with dual purpose hunting and match style rifles tend to migrate to lighter optioms after the hunting seasons.
Also, there is a PRB and Lowlight effect on the market. ZCO, NF, and Kahles certainly got an uptick in interest somewhat recently.
Also, there is a PRB and Lowlight effect on the market. ZCO, NF, and Kahles certainly got an uptick in interest somewhat recently.
It's your funeral pal.
Just kidding. Your Vortex optic is perfectly fine. Just don't ask if you should have gotten it in MIL or MOA instead.
All I know is that you can’t polish a vortex scope and wear Velcro sneakers......no wait......you can’t wear Velcro sneakers and own a vortex scope.?
Sooooo true. Schott TOTALLY buys their glass from Japan!!!!!
Seriously though, lots of Vortex out there means lots of used sales. Also, my understanding is Vortex offers a substantial Mil/LE discount. I've often wondered if some use that discount and sell their optic every year.
This troll is waiting for a better opponent.
Weak bait......hard pass from me.
Weak bait......hard pass from me.
Some folks simply should of been stomped down the shower drain.
This might be the dumbest fucking thing I have ever read.
Cracks me up that people fell for it. Lol
Not quite quigly Ford status but still fun.
Not quite quigly Ford status but still fun.
This is some funny shit for sure lol.
I'll through some gasoline on the fire, IOR is the best... they use Schott glass...
Jake
I'll through some gasoline on the fire, IOR is the best... they use Schott glass...
Jake
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I’ve seen too many people in real life with this same mentality and level of expertise/knowledge when it comes to Leupold to immediately assume he’s trolling.
This could seriously be the guy (or one of a few guys) who work behind the gun/scope counter at Jays Sporting Goods in Clare, MI. Leupold or die there...
This could seriously be the guy (or one of a few guys) who work behind the gun/scope counter at Jays Sporting Goods in Clare, MI. Leupold or die there...
Obvious you have no idea who some of the people here are. But I love your Leupold scope....its about 20 years behind every other modern Mfg.
https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...0mm-seeking-information.6922367/#post-7472099
Stupid should hurt. Like balls in a bear trap hurt.
This. Everyone's trying to unload their current scope before it's widely know that the retail price has been lowered.
There's also a ton of them out there.
Sandman, Logan 5, Francis 6, runner in Gamma Quadrant, runner in Gamma Quadrant. Interdict and retire, interdict and retire.
Hey can I borrow your bear trap . Askin for a friend .
Sounds to me like ypou're describing an XRS 1, not the newer XRS2. You need to get behind an XRS2 when you get a chance, it'll open your eyes on how good the new Bushnell glass is.
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mine looked like this and it wasnt that great
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...l-adjustments-first-focal-g2dmr-reticle-matte
mine looked like this and it wasnt that great
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...l-adjustments-first-focal-g2dmr-reticle-matte
Vortex is a very complex company,
They OEM a lot, but they also build and spec out a lot of different stuff. The AMG does have US Glass and it is cut and coated in the US. I went to the factory and saw it all in real time as well as filmed it.
China is a source for raw glass, even for Schott, just go to their website and you can see the map. But that is not the end all on the subject. If they source the raw from China and then send it Germany to be manufactured into the lens systems, you start dealing with other issues.
Coatings are generally proprietary and are the secret sauce for many of the scopes people covet if you remove that part they will all look the same given a common optical design.
Optical design is another factor, not only that, assembly, how the cells are held and centered, where the optical center of the lens is, etc. It's pretty complex and goes beyond glass in a lot of ways. Glass alone does not tell the tale, but it does in the totality of the scope.
As an example on the OEM side, if you watch the video, you will a bunch of Gen 2 Razors in the clean room. These come in from Japan as a completed scope but then are disassembled and the turret system is replaced with the US Made version. Why, because Japan will steal any innovation and sell it to Bushnell, Althon, etc, all these OEM scopes that come from say, Light Optical Works out of Japan share a common theme, but are spec'd slightly different, one might cost the company $300 to make, another might cost $180 for the same scope design in branded wrapper. Why they lower the spec to save some money. Doesn't mean it's the same scope because the optical design is the same, its the same scope only because it comes from the same place. Like a car, different models with the same name. You can buy a Dodge Challenger for $30k or you can buy a Dodge Challenger Hellcat / Demon for $60k ...
USO does this, they put a different scope in their wrapper, they make the outside and fill the inside with other people's scopes. You can see it better in older designs that mimic each other.
There is only so much variation,
They OEM a lot, but they also build and spec out a lot of different stuff. The AMG does have US Glass and it is cut and coated in the US. I went to the factory and saw it all in real time as well as filmed it.
China is a source for raw glass, even for Schott, just go to their website and you can see the map. But that is not the end all on the subject. If they source the raw from China and then send it Germany to be manufactured into the lens systems, you start dealing with other issues.
Coatings are generally proprietary and are the secret sauce for many of the scopes people covet if you remove that part they will all look the same given a common optical design.
Optical design is another factor, not only that, assembly, how the cells are held and centered, where the optical center of the lens is, etc. It's pretty complex and goes beyond glass in a lot of ways. Glass alone does not tell the tale, but it does in the totality of the scope.
As an example on the OEM side, if you watch the video, you will a bunch of Gen 2 Razors in the clean room. These come in from Japan as a completed scope but then are disassembled and the turret system is replaced with the US Made version. Why, because Japan will steal any innovation and sell it to Bushnell, Althon, etc, all these OEM scopes that come from say, Light Optical Works out of Japan share a common theme, but are spec'd slightly different, one might cost the company $300 to make, another might cost $180 for the same scope design in branded wrapper. Why they lower the spec to save some money. Doesn't mean it's the same scope because the optical design is the same, its the same scope only because it comes from the same place. Like a car, different models with the same name. You can buy a Dodge Challenger for $30k or you can buy a Dodge Challenger Hellcat / Demon for $60k ...
USO does this, they put a different scope in their wrapper, they make the outside and fill the inside with other people's scopes. You can see it better in older designs that mimic each other.
There is only so much variation,
You're right. I should have read more carefully. I kept scanning further down looking for them. I did not realize how fast and furious the winning could come. That was like a machine gun of instant classics. It rattled me.
That's the first gen XRS. The XRS2 has much lower profile turrets, a drastically better zero stop, optional illumination, integrated throw lever, and a huge increase in glass quality. I actually put my XRS2 side by side with my buddy's 4-16 ATACR F1 last weekend in overcast, gloomy weather, and the Bushnell looked better to me than the ATACR - brighter and sharper.
I bailed on vortex after looking through the viper pst gen 2. It looked like it had some tint to it. The leupold was way brighter and more crisp. No expert here!
You realize if you stay the course and keep spouting off about everthing is the same or considered equal your gonna take a brutal keyboard ass whippin right?
I'd imagine a lot of Gen 2 4-27's are being dumped by owners hoping to upgrade and get ahead of the depreciation cliff. MSRP on the 7 series reticles dropped $500, which means street prices on the new 4-27's is $1999 (several places already have them listed for that). Once word gets around about that not too many are going to be willing to spend ~$1850 on a used one. In addition stores are selling the older 4-27 reticle models under $1800 new. So I'd imagine in a couple months typical used price on one will be close to $1500.
Only Leupolds I will even touch are MK 4s, I fucking hate my VX-R Patrol thing is a total shit can. Reticle is the size of an elephants dick. Blocks out 90% of my target, practically unusable past 250 meters because of this. Worst money I ever spent. As for the MK 4s never had any issues with them whether on one of my service rifles or personal. Other than that though not using that bullshit.
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Leupold =/= Vortex
Wrong thread, perhaps?
As for why people are "bailing," I'll agree with a few posters just above. The Gen2, while still an amazing scope, is now several years old. Lots of people have newscopeitis, so they're selling to upgrade to the EBR-7C model, or a different scope altogether. The price change is a move to keep the Gen2 "relevant" given it's age, and many want to get ahead of that price drop as noted above.
Frankly, I see nothing wrong with the Gen2, and placed an order for an EBR-7C variant myself. A flashy ZCO, K525i, or NF ATACR would be cool, but I lucked into two USOs I always wanted, so some funds went that direction, dropping me squarely into the Gen2 bracket. I expect it to perform near flawlessly, as it's established itself as a reliable performer. Not the latest and greatest, but it will do the job whenever I ask it to, while allowing me to have a few baseball bat scopes I've lusted after, for oldtime's sake.
I'm absolutely still aiming for a ZCO in the not too terribly distant future, though...!
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No definitely not, I was just seconding everyones opinion on Leupold who was trolling that dimwit Synoptic 12. So I’m not sure where you’re going with this ??
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No definitely not, I was just seconding everyones opinion on Leupold who was trolling that dimwit Synoptic 12. So I’m not sure where you’re going with this ??
Ah. I guess I thought that was a done deal and didn't carry it over. My bad, carry on!
The Razor for $1850 on scopelist has me interested but I have become a Mark 5 fanboy as of late. I am fighting the inner "just buy it" voice with the price drop though.
Yay I ordered a gen 2 from liberty only to see that I could have bought to new one for $150 less! SMH!
I’ve been saving for a NF, specifically an ATACR, for a while and actually just passed on a Gen II Razor that 2 years ago I would’ve purchased without hesitating....weight be damned.
At this point I know I don’t need top tier glass. Honestly, I’d probably be just fine with an NXS but for some reason I’ve got it in my mind that I’ll be disappointed if I get anything else.
At this point I know I don’t need top tier glass. Honestly, I’d probably be just fine with an NXS but for some reason I’ve got it in my mind that I’ll be disappointed if I get anything else.
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