This thread makes me wonder if there should be more seats on the short bus. Dude is shooting a 2k cartridge at 55 yards, as @NoLegs24 said the bullet will start to calm down at 100 yards/meters. Your muzzle brake is fine, the amount of torque on your action pinch bolt is fine, your scope is fine and the amount of preload on your bipod is fine. Shoot the gun at a distance designed for the 338 lapua magnum and start a new thread if it is sucking.
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Why is the AI AXMC shooting this bad.
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How does a bullet pull itself back to point of aim if going in a straight line at 2MOA from point of aim? They don't have computer controlled active surfaces.
NoLegs was being sarcastic. Unless your Paralax is fucked or you play mind games with yourself until you can’t shoot groups, bullets don’t settle.
Lol I knew I would get a reply like that at some stage.
You can check but I can tell you now that bipods are not all the same.
I will stick to my opinion that they do jamp.
I can drive pretty much any cal.
I am very sure I can shoot well too.
The 338 is a toy. Easy as to shoot.
Especially the AI and a few more makes.
As for the bipod hop if you try to load on a concrete bench and it does not grip correctly you will get it to do a one leg hop/jump.
Rubber feet/ pin feet. Try recording and check. If not loaded correctly.
But that is my opinion.
My problem is not the bipod.
My problem is not grouping at 50 meters.
Will try bag next time. Just to see if it tightens up or not.
I don't think it will be the fix though.
I think we might have action or barrel issues.
Will work this out.
On that note have a good one
You know I did. Shot at 500-512 meters.
Did about 20 rounds.
The gong is a 7 inch diam.
Shot 5 shots and could see the movement of the hit. So just calculate it was about half a meter off.
Even after the 5 shots adjusting would miss.
I think I got gong once and that was probably me pulling the shot.
Ok I think I will get some more testing and then post if fixed or not.
Thanks all for ideas and recommendations.
Hi,
I do not have to check; I already have and now exactly via direct experience that bipods do not hop, lolol
How is this for a recording since you advised I do that??? Here is a guy that never shot this rifle at all until this very video....
300NM with 230gr Bergers in 18lb rifle with bipod legs extended, purposely resting on edge of 2x4 and purposely angled to lend itself to the elusive "hop".....
You are right though that YOUR problem is not the bipod....it is you, lol
Sincerely,
Theis
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First time I shot my AX the screws that hold the hand guard on came loose and groups opened up because the rifle was wiggling around on the guard and bipod. Tightened them back up and all was good.
Stringing like that makes me think something is loose or it’s a shooter issue. I think you are on te right track to get it figured out.
Stringing like that makes me think something is loose or it’s a shooter issue. I think you are on te right track to get it figured out.
I've had mine loosen before, too. But you can feel it "clunk" when you pick it up, even if they're just a little loose. I'm not sure how much it affected accuracy as I wasn't noticing a problem, but I wasn't shooting for groups either. It sure can't help though!
Then yesterday, this thread was on my mind when I was shooting one of mine, and it reminded me to check them again. They were tight, but I found a little play in the key slot screws that hold the Pic rail section for the bipod. That gun has an Elite Iron bipod and the mount covers up the front rail screw. Of course I had the wrench for the key slot screws (in the stock), but for some reason I didn't have the wrench that fits the bipod screws, so I couldn't remove it to access the front rail screw. The bipod had a little wiggle in it because the rail itself was wiggling in the slots. I just tightened the rear rail screw that I could access, and carried on without issue. I found it before I started shooting, and I haven't noticed an accuracy issue prior, so I don't know if there was a measurable effect on accuracy. When I got home I got the right wrench and removed the bipod. Rear rail screw was already starting to loosen up again because the front screw was still loose obviously. I grabbed the manual and looked for a key slot screw torque value but couldn't find one. I tightened them up by feel as much as I thought I safely could and re-installed the bipod.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know of a published torque value for those keyslot screws?
Ok will check that screw torque.
We will be testing with 300 grain hornady BTHP and make some load while there at this testing area.
Thanks for that.
I'm no expert, but what if you took some of the other posters advice and had someone else shoot it?
If you're like me and have no friends, then why not record yourself shooting your rifle? There are experienced shooters and instructors on this site who could probably tell if you're doing something wrong.
If you're like me and have no friends, then why not record yourself shooting your rifle? There are experienced shooters and instructors on this site who could probably tell if you're doing something wrong.
Oh I am so sorry to have ignored you.
Yes I have had 2 of the competition guys shoot it. They had the same issue.
They are waiting for me to work out what going on. They had a few suggestions but did not fix the issue.
So it might not be my shooting.
2 of the competition guys have shot it.
Same issue.
Lol I have a lot of friends and people i can get to give me a hand. The problem is no solution.
We did record my shooting. Always do.
Now you see the video. He is loading with the wood in front. That will stop the hop. That will let him load.
Load with spike and no wood. You will hop/jump.
Hi,
Where in the world is that bipod loaded into a wood in front??
It is literally sitting on very edge of the wood with absolutely nothing in front, lol.
How about this...video yourself shooting with the video camera system placed 3-5ft above you at the 6clock position.
I will then highlight exactly in the video what YOU are doing to have the bipod hop.
Bet you 500$ that at least 2 things can be highlighted to prove my point.
Sincerely,
Theis
Where in the world is that bipod loaded into a wood in front??
It is literally sitting on very edge of the wood with absolutely nothing in front, lol.
How about this...video yourself shooting with the video camera system placed 3-5ft above you at the 6clock position.
I will then highlight exactly in the video what YOU are doing to have the bipod hop.
Bet you 500$ that at least 2 things can be highlighted to prove my point.
Sincerely,
Theis
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Ok ok.
This is bench we are talking now.
In real life I would be strapped leaning and getting the intel from the ....
Any way it is not about proving a point on the bipod.
I will put a bet though that I have shot longer and bigger than you have. I also have been very accurate. This will go back a long time but none the less it is provable.
So on that note. Let's forget the hop/jump of the f..... bipods. Also let's forget about if I can shoot.
Lets wait till this Monday and see what has been found.
Next question is what is the longest range you can consistently hit a target with an off the shelf rifle? Just curious. No big deal though.
Oh and it has to be with factory ammo.
That should get you typing and probably get a smirk on your face.
Hi,
Well Well....I will be your Huckleberry.....
I started shooting ELR for a living right after I got out of the USN in 1997.
Largest bolt action shoulder fired platform I have ever used is 20x110mm.
I took part in the Crane NSWC "reutilization" of 20x110mm ammunition testing program. You can search NDIA for the redacted and approved for public dissemination article.
I took part in the UAE solicitation testing phase of their 20x82mm hard target interdiction platforms.
I took part in Ukraine testing of 14.5x114mm hard target interdiction platforms.
I was instructing ELR weapon systems in Turkey and Poland back in 2001 as part of testing and demo team for the Original Cheytac & Associates companies....
I was shooting 2 miles 15 years before anyone ever heard of King of 2 Miles.
BUT
NONE of that has jack shit to do with your shooting abilities and the FACT that you are not willing to prove me wrong.
Sincerely,
Theis
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There has been a few mentions by a number of different folks over the past couple years, that some people found that they had to tighten their AI barrel clamping nut down a fair bit more than the manual said, for it to shoot it's best. No clue as to why.
Everyone’s a badass....
Until they compare their resume with @THEIS
If it’s not the shooter. Then obviously it’s the gun or optic. So from a realistic viewpoint you’ll need to swap optics and eliminate that variable. If that doesn’t do it then check the rifle over. If nothing is loose then check things like the brake, muzzle crown etc.
Tuning in to see what it comes down to
Until they compare their resume with @THEIS
If it’s not the shooter. Then obviously it’s the gun or optic. So from a realistic viewpoint you’ll need to swap optics and eliminate that variable. If that doesn’t do it then check the rifle over. If nothing is loose then check things like the brake, muzzle crown etc.
Tuning in to see what it comes down to
I just put the popcorn on, this gonna be good!
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Loading the bipod is an irrelevant catch phrase that does more harm than good. Some people think it works because it can act as a bandaid for other issues. Most of the time it allows them to wedge the rifle between themself and the bipod which allows them to relax. This can kinda work but not with heavy recoil. But I can purposely UNLOAD a bipod and still shoot just fine with any rifle we have. So I can tell you 100% that it has nothing to do with anything.
If your bipod is hopping you’re body/shoulder is tense or firm and is reflecting the recoil back into the rifle. A 300 Norma or 338 is not a ton of recoil when you’re using a brake. Loud yes....massive recoil, no. The loudness of it will make you tense and get you all jacked up. You need to relax and allow your shoulder to absorb the recoil so it can transfer into your body and into the earth. A hopping bipod means the recoil path is blocked.
If you’re on a bench I’d suggest getting prone. There’s no reason to shoot a 338 from a bench. At the very least go modified prone. Sitting at a bench is pretty much the worst position you can pick to control recoil.
Your body needs a direct link to the earth. In modified prone that’s your core to the bench to the earth. In prone it’s your core to the earth. That path must be used to transfer recoil energy or it will be transferred back into the rifle and cause it to move around. When you’re sitting at a bench your connection to the earth is the stool under your ass. It’s very hard to transfer energy from the rifle through your core and out of your ass.
If your bipod is hopping you’re body/shoulder is tense or firm and is reflecting the recoil back into the rifle. A 300 Norma or 338 is not a ton of recoil when you’re using a brake. Loud yes....massive recoil, no. The loudness of it will make you tense and get you all jacked up. You need to relax and allow your shoulder to absorb the recoil so it can transfer into your body and into the earth. A hopping bipod means the recoil path is blocked.
If you’re on a bench I’d suggest getting prone. There’s no reason to shoot a 338 from a bench. At the very least go modified prone. Sitting at a bench is pretty much the worst position you can pick to control recoil.
Your body needs a direct link to the earth. In modified prone that’s your core to the bench to the earth. In prone it’s your core to the earth. That path must be used to transfer recoil energy or it will be transferred back into the rifle and cause it to move around. When you’re sitting at a bench your connection to the earth is the stool under your ass. It’s very hard to transfer energy from the rifle through your core and out of your ass.
Dude, you're the one asking for help, there has been plenty of people here trying to help you. Now you want to bring up how big of a badass you are. If you're such a big time pro shooter than why the fuck are you asking here? If you have so much experience shouldn't you be able to diagnose it yourself?
You should seriously think about starting to make rifles for a living
Serious question, does vertical stringing present itself as horizontal stringing in the 'other' hemisphere...?
I'm gonna go ahead and challenge this statement, as I sit here munching on my Taco Bell Bacon Club Chalupa. One can channel a lot of energy from their core and out of their ass given the right tools, motivation, and appropriate amount of discomfort.
He was asking for help and a bunch of assholes dogpiled him. Of course the OP got defensive. Any normal man would. A few were/are being helpful. Don’t say he needs thicker skin either. That is said a lot here and the same people saying it cry louder than all the rest.
So you like to talk about your self hmm!
Lol I still beat you but now I might understand a little bit better why your a little to sure about your opinion. You have fare grounds if the story is true which I do not dought. I would never talk about what I have done. But we might have bumped into each other lol.
As for ELR we will have to talk not in chat lol.
But now you have no excuses to not know about hop/jump. (Just to get you going again)
As to proving you wrong i will get some proof for you.
Will have to see how we are going to do that.
I will get some 500 meter shots ( with eyes closed) lol.
Who dog-piled him? Theis raised a point about bipods being a potential cause of his problem and the OP tried/is trying to turn it into an ill-advised dick-measuring contest. Distracts from the main point of the thread.
Couple of popcorn gifs, etc. followed but not sure I’d consider that a dog-pile.
I thank everyone for there help.
I did not come to this forum to be an arse.
I just had a question and wanted to know if anyone might have had a similar issue.
I mention a few things that I will stand by because I have seen it happen.
I can take a beating but I did not have a go at anyone that didn't have a go first.
And just to be clear I never said I am a competition shooter. I could be if I wanted.
I only need to prove to myself guys no one else.
I know very well who I am!!!
On that note
If you have nothing good and helpful to say
Just read don't reply.
Yep may be
Will find out soon enough.
Don't forget the tools make the mechanic.
Lol
Lol a lot of testosterone i think. Sorry couldn't help myself.
The story is my AXMC is not getting the bullet where it needs to be.
A lot of good advice.
A lot of it is my shooting.
That is about it.
In short.
Have a target at 50 meters. You can see the shots.
Had a lot of suggestions that will be checked this weekend. Two different shooters too. Extra two so three all up.
Can not find anything wrong with the rifle at the moment.
That sums it up.
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