Hardly ever hear anyone talking about the ACR. Are there too few out there or did I miss something?
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Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
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Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
My assumption would be because it cost about 2500.00. That puts it out of the reach of a lot of people, or they just have different things they would rather spend the money on. I was interested in it until I saw the price. Its simply not 2.5 times as good as a colt 6920 IMO.
My assumption would be because it cost about 2500.00. That puts it out of the reach of a lot of people, or they just have different things they would rather spend the money on. I was interested in it until I saw the price. Its simply not 2.5 times as good as a colt 6920 IMO.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Between it disappointing everyone with its outrageous price, a recall on a poorly designed trigger that causes it to go full auto, and lack of parts availability to modify them are you really surprised?
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1576406
POF, LMT, LWRC, and many other manufacturers are putting out better weapons at a cheaper price.
Between it disappointing everyone with its outrageous price, a recall on a poorly designed trigger that causes it to go full auto, and lack of parts availability to modify them are you really surprised?
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1576406
POF, LMT, LWRC, and many other manufacturers are putting out better weapons at a cheaper price.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I hope this was a wake-up call to Crapmaster and Remington. This thing could have been pretty awesome. Oh well.
I hope this was a wake-up call to Crapmaster and Remington. This thing could have been pretty awesome. Oh well.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Between it disappointing everyone with its outrageous price, a recall on a poorly designed trigger that causes it to go full auto, and lack of parts availability to modify them are you really surprised?
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1576406
POF, LMT, LWRC, and many other manufacturers are putting out better weapons at a cheaper price. </div></div>
That just about sums it up!! It was an excellent concept when it was originated by the geniuses at Magpul, but once Bushmaster got through with it, it was just over-priced, overrated white noise among a host of better products in the same (or lower) price range!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Between it disappointing everyone with its outrageous price, a recall on a poorly designed trigger that causes it to go full auto, and lack of parts availability to modify them are you really surprised?
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1576406
POF, LMT, LWRC, and many other manufacturers are putting out better weapons at a cheaper price. </div></div>
That just about sums it up!! It was an excellent concept when it was originated by the geniuses at Magpul, but once Bushmaster got through with it, it was just over-priced, overrated white noise among a host of better products in the same (or lower) price range!
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Guess I just haven't been paying much attention to anything in .223 lately.
Probably should get up to speed since I'm getting ready to make a purchase on one.
Guess I just haven't been paying much attention to anything in .223 lately.
Probably should get up to speed since I'm getting ready to make a purchase on one.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I was surprised at the recoil impulse on them. It felt pretty high for a .223/5.56. I also think they feel really awkward compared to an AR. They also feel kinda heavy for being made out of that much polymer. I was really exited to see them for the first time but the second I picked one up I was disappointed.
I was surprised at the recoil impulse on them. It felt pretty high for a .223/5.56. I also think they feel really awkward compared to an AR. They also feel kinda heavy for being made out of that much polymer. I was really exited to see them for the first time but the second I picked one up I was disappointed.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
The only thing the acr has over the scar is being able to change barrels, and to me it's not worth the money. Hell are the acr barrels even 1:7 ?
The only thing the acr has over the scar is being able to change barrels, and to me it's not worth the money. Hell are the acr barrels even 1:7 ?
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
The SCAR weighs a lb more than a AR, the ACR 2 lbs more.
It's kind of like the Sig, big and heavy and doesn't really do anything an AR can't do.
Rumor has it DPMS has been making all of Bushmasters parts since the Freedom Group purchased all of those companies and now the 3 Bushmaster plants are closing so is Remington going to make ACR parts or will DPMS make the ACR parts? That is a scary thought either way.
The SCAR weighs a lb more than a AR, the ACR 2 lbs more.
It's kind of like the Sig, big and heavy and doesn't really do anything an AR can't do.
Rumor has it DPMS has been making all of Bushmasters parts since the Freedom Group purchased all of those companies and now the 3 Bushmaster plants are closing so is Remington going to make ACR parts or will DPMS make the ACR parts? That is a scary thought either way.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
No, I don't think they are 1:7. Last I checked the were 1:9 and that was a deterring factor for me. If it came out at around $1900 with a 1:7 twist barrel I might have bought one. I liked the lay out of it. Unlike the Mk16, it doesn't have reciprocating charging handle which isn't necessary, but I like it. If they offered an option in 300 AAC Blackout, that might change my mind, and also if it <span style="font-weight: bold">didn't</span> say Bushmaster on it <span style="font-weight: bold">anywhere</span>.
No, I don't think they are 1:7. Last I checked the were 1:9 and that was a deterring factor for me. If it came out at around $1900 with a 1:7 twist barrel I might have bought one. I liked the lay out of it. Unlike the Mk16, it doesn't have reciprocating charging handle which isn't necessary, but I like it. If they offered an option in 300 AAC Blackout, that might change my mind, and also if it <span style="font-weight: bold">didn't</span> say Bushmaster on it <span style="font-weight: bold">anywhere</span>.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Yup, double the price of a comparable AR just plain exceeded my interest level, and I'm sure for a LOT of other people.
The design differences just don't justify the price, even taking into account economies of scale.
Too much gun stuff is thus afflicted with serious price-gouging. That's part of why I choose Hornady whenever I can. They can make a profit without making me feel like I've been prostituted.
Yup, double the price of a comparable AR just plain exceeded my interest level, and I'm sure for a LOT of other people.
The design differences just don't justify the price, even taking into account economies of scale.
Too much gun stuff is thus afflicted with serious price-gouging. That's part of why I choose Hornady whenever I can. They can make a profit without making me feel like I've been prostituted.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
guys bitch about 1:7 and 1:9 but most can't shoot to save their ass anyhow and would be best served practicing than complaining about specs.
that being said the acr just isn't worth that price to me.
guys bitch about 1:7 and 1:9 but most can't shoot to save their ass anyhow and would be best served practicing than complaining about specs.
that being said the acr just isn't worth that price to me.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
for the price you can buy a much better weapons system.. from any one of other company.. the concept is great, but once bushmaster got ahold of it, it went down hill fast..
for the price you can buy a much better weapons system.. from any one of other company.. the concept is great, but once bushmaster got ahold of it, it went down hill fast..
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Overpriced, overweight, underwhelming. I think we all bought into the hype of the Masada so we're partially to blame for the high expectations that Bushmaster apparently couldn't meet.
Overpriced, overweight, underwhelming. I think we all bought into the hype of the Masada so we're partially to blame for the high expectations that Bushmaster apparently couldn't meet.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Magpul intended the Masada to be in the 1500.00 range. They did a killer job on it, but when Bushmaster got their mits on it, and starting to change this and that. Well, everyone knows what happened.
Doesn't blow wind up my skirt! I'd take a SCAR anyday, or what is my go to 5.56 in my safe, a Colt old school carbine with a DD Omega Lite rail, and Aimpoint. JPG
Magpul intended the Masada to be in the 1500.00 range. They did a killer job on it, but when Bushmaster got their mits on it, and starting to change this and that. Well, everyone knows what happened.
Doesn't blow wind up my skirt! I'd take a SCAR anyday, or what is my go to 5.56 in my safe, a Colt old school carbine with a DD Omega Lite rail, and Aimpoint. JPG
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
As of right now the prices of ACR's are too high for many people.
Mostly the "gear queers" are looking to spend that kind of $$. And they would probably rather build a AR thats better than everyone elses. So I guess as of right now with the AR building still being popular it is just bad timing.
Honestly from what I understand about them they are just AR's on roids. Unless your a tard and plan on falling in mud puddles all the time why do you need that type of equipment.
As of right now the prices of ACR's are too high for many people.
Mostly the "gear queers" are looking to spend that kind of $$. And they would probably rather build a AR thats better than everyone elses. So I guess as of right now with the AR building still being popular it is just bad timing.
Honestly from what I understand about them they are just AR's on roids. Unless your a tard and plan on falling in mud puddles all the time why do you need that type of equipment.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I too was disappointed with the ACR, I like the concept but not at that price point. Which I can't imagine why it would cost that much being mostly polymer with little machining. I also haven't been impressed with the accuracy that I have seen at the range with them either. If it had was chambered in .300 AAC and was half the price I might consider it though...
I too was disappointed with the ACR, I like the concept but not at that price point. Which I can't imagine why it would cost that much being mostly polymer with little machining. I also haven't been impressed with the accuracy that I have seen at the range with them either. If it had was chambered in .300 AAC and was half the price I might consider it though...
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I was surprised to hear the wide range in opinions on the ACR when I was shopping around comparing it to the SCAR. One local gun shop has refused to carry them (ACRs) after they sold their original ones and after the recall. Instead, they carry a variety of LWRCs and try to keep some SCARS in stock.
However, a good of buddy went to a different shop wanting to look at a SCAR and the shop employee went on and on about how much better the ACR was than the SCAR.
Fro me, I wanted .308 so the SCAR 17 became the best bet. I hope it's not too late to write off the ACR altogether-but it hasn't been looking good.
I was surprised to hear the wide range in opinions on the ACR when I was shopping around comparing it to the SCAR. One local gun shop has refused to carry them (ACRs) after they sold their original ones and after the recall. Instead, they carry a variety of LWRCs and try to keep some SCARS in stock.
However, a good of buddy went to a different shop wanting to look at a SCAR and the shop employee went on and on about how much better the ACR was than the SCAR.
Fro me, I wanted .308 so the SCAR 17 became the best bet. I hope it's not too late to write off the ACR altogether-but it hasn't been looking good.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Substance-P</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was surprised to hear the wide range in opinions on the ACR when I was shopping around comparing it to the SCAR. One local gun shop has refused to carry them (ACRs) after they sold their original ones and after the recall. Instead, they carry a variety of LWRCs and try to keep some SCARS in stock.
However, a good of buddy went to a different shop wanting to look at a SCAR and the shop employee went on and on about how much better the ACR was than the SCAR.
Fro me, I wanted .308 so the SCAR 17 became the best bet. I hope it's not too late to write off the ACR altogether-but it hasn't been looking good. </div></div>
That different shop employee was probably just trying to unload the piece of shit, LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Substance-P</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was surprised to hear the wide range in opinions on the ACR when I was shopping around comparing it to the SCAR. One local gun shop has refused to carry them (ACRs) after they sold their original ones and after the recall. Instead, they carry a variety of LWRCs and try to keep some SCARS in stock.
However, a good of buddy went to a different shop wanting to look at a SCAR and the shop employee went on and on about how much better the ACR was than the SCAR.
Fro me, I wanted .308 so the SCAR 17 became the best bet. I hope it's not too late to write off the ACR altogether-but it hasn't been looking good. </div></div>
That different shop employee was probably just trying to unload the piece of shit, LOL
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I got a chance to fire one from a Remington rep.
It seemed a little bigger than is should be, it had a poor trigger, and somehow it managed to recoil more than a comparable AR.
I did really like the overall lay-out.
I'd buy one for $1200.
I got a chance to fire one from a Remington rep.
It seemed a little bigger than is should be, it had a poor trigger, and somehow it managed to recoil more than a comparable AR.
I did really like the overall lay-out.
I'd buy one for $1200.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I've handled both the ACR and SCAR, and I ended up buying a SCAR. To be honest, the SCAR didn't feel like it weighed a pound more than an AR. I had it for about a month, sold it to a guy locally (made $300 on the deal), and picked up a BCM MK12 Mod 0 upper. Have had a hell of a lot more fun with that than I did with the SCAR.
That and I didn't have to neuter the BCM upper like I did the SCAR.
I've handled both the ACR and SCAR, and I ended up buying a SCAR. To be honest, the SCAR didn't feel like it weighed a pound more than an AR. I had it for about a month, sold it to a guy locally (made $300 on the deal), and picked up a BCM MK12 Mod 0 upper. Have had a hell of a lot more fun with that than I did with the SCAR.
That and I didn't have to neuter the BCM upper like I did the SCAR.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E3C3H3O3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Substance-P</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was surprised to hear the wide range in opinions on the ACR when I was shopping around comparing it to the SCAR. One local gun shop has refused to carry them (ACRs) after they sold their original ones and after the recall. Instead, they carry a variety of LWRCs and try to keep some SCARS in stock.
However, a good of buddy went to a different shop wanting to look at a SCAR and the shop employee went on and on about how much better the ACR was than the SCAR.
Fro me, I wanted .308 so the SCAR 17 became the best bet. I hope it's not too late to write off the ACR altogether-but it hasn't been looking good. </div></div>
That different shop employee was probably just trying to unload the piece of shit, LOL </div></div>
Having worked the sales counted in a shop, I was amazed at things I heard out of some of my coworkers there, as well as the things I heard from other sales people at other shops. It became obvious quick who knew something and who should just keep their mouths shut.
I've handled the Scar and ACR, and while I haven't fired either of them, My reaction to both is summarized in one word-
UNDERWHELMED
Just nothing about either one of them that I can see that makes them enough better to justify their existence or the expense even.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E3C3H3O3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Substance-P</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was surprised to hear the wide range in opinions on the ACR when I was shopping around comparing it to the SCAR. One local gun shop has refused to carry them (ACRs) after they sold their original ones and after the recall. Instead, they carry a variety of LWRCs and try to keep some SCARS in stock.
However, a good of buddy went to a different shop wanting to look at a SCAR and the shop employee went on and on about how much better the ACR was than the SCAR.
Fro me, I wanted .308 so the SCAR 17 became the best bet. I hope it's not too late to write off the ACR altogether-but it hasn't been looking good. </div></div>
That different shop employee was probably just trying to unload the piece of shit, LOL </div></div>
Having worked the sales counted in a shop, I was amazed at things I heard out of some of my coworkers there, as well as the things I heard from other sales people at other shops. It became obvious quick who knew something and who should just keep their mouths shut.
I've handled the Scar and ACR, and while I haven't fired either of them, My reaction to both is summarized in one word-
UNDERWHELMED
Just nothing about either one of them that I can see that makes them enough better to justify their existence or the expense even.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I'll just stick with my direct-impingement AR15s and buy nicer glass.
I don't have much interest in either the SCAR or ACR.
I'll just stick with my direct-impingement AR15s and buy nicer glass.
I don't have much interest in either the SCAR or ACR.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Can't argue with this kind of feedback. Thanks for all the responses.
Can't argue with this kind of feedback. Thanks for all the responses.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Everyone who talks about the ACR is on the call of duty forums.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/m...&pid=951944
Everyone who talks about the ACR is on the call of duty forums.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/m...&pid=951944
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jerseymike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone who talks about the ACR is on the call of duty forums.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/m...&pid=951944 </div></div>
Wow, that is downright funny!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jerseymike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone who talks about the ACR is on the call of duty forums.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/m...&pid=951944 </div></div>
Wow, that is downright funny!
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Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Simply put: People are still pissed.
The Magpul Masada seemed to be the one of the few things a majority of the internet gun world could agree upon. It was going to be the next generation's AR, 1911, etc. to be loved and embraced by the American gun consumer. It offered modularity, accessories, caliber conversion, and enough similarity to the AR as not to scare off those who fear change. Magpul was a growing and respected company in the tactical community.
And then, Bushmaster stepped in. They churned out an unimpressive, overpriced, watered-down version of what should have been. They offered it in an "outdated" twist rate even though they know only real operators use 1:7" barrel and they certainly don't pay extra for their folding stocks. They purchased a cash cow and ended with nothing more than a big "fuck you" to the consumer public.
If this sounds too much like the "Hitler rant", it's because it's the truth. And for the record, my hate for Cerberus stems back much farther. In fact, I was nearly banned from another forum for my response to a member's post on how Cerberus should have purchased HK from the BAE.
Simply put: People are still pissed.
The Magpul Masada seemed to be the one of the few things a majority of the internet gun world could agree upon. It was going to be the next generation's AR, 1911, etc. to be loved and embraced by the American gun consumer. It offered modularity, accessories, caliber conversion, and enough similarity to the AR as not to scare off those who fear change. Magpul was a growing and respected company in the tactical community.
And then, Bushmaster stepped in. They churned out an unimpressive, overpriced, watered-down version of what should have been. They offered it in an "outdated" twist rate even though they know only real operators use 1:7" barrel and they certainly don't pay extra for their folding stocks. They purchased a cash cow and ended with nothing more than a big "fuck you" to the consumer public.
If this sounds too much like the "Hitler rant", it's because it's the truth. And for the record, my hate for Cerberus stems back much farther. In fact, I was nearly banned from another forum for my response to a member's post on how Cerberus should have purchased HK from the BAE.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jerseymike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone who talks about the ACR is on the call of duty forums.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/m...&pid=951944 </div></div>
Don't play video games so I guess I'm SOL.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jerseymike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone who talks about the ACR is on the call of duty forums.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/m...&pid=951944 </div></div>
Don't play video games so I guess I'm SOL.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Simply put: People are still pissed.
The Magpul Masada seemed to be the one of the few things a majority of the internet gun world could agree upon. It was going to be the next generation's AR, 1911, etc. to be loved and embraced by the American gun consumer. It offered modularity, accessories, caliber conversion, and enough similarity to the AR as not to scare off those who fear change. Magpul was a growing and respected company in the tactical community.
And then, Bushmaster stepped in. They churned out an unimpressive, overpriced, watered-down version of what should have been. They offered it in an "outdated" twist rate even though they know only real operators use 1:7" barrel and they certainly don't pay extra for their folding stocks. They purchased a cash cow and ended with nothing more than a big "fuck you" to the consumer public.
If this sounds too much like the "Hitler rant", it's because it's the truth. And for the record, my hate for Cerberus stems back much farther. In fact, I was nearly banned from another forum for my response to a member's post on how Cerberus should have purchased HK from the BAE.
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I would rather hear the truth which in this case sounds like the general consensus before I make a decision I may regret.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Simply put: People are still pissed.
The Magpul Masada seemed to be the one of the few things a majority of the internet gun world could agree upon. It was going to be the next generation's AR, 1911, etc. to be loved and embraced by the American gun consumer. It offered modularity, accessories, caliber conversion, and enough similarity to the AR as not to scare off those who fear change. Magpul was a growing and respected company in the tactical community.
And then, Bushmaster stepped in. They churned out an unimpressive, overpriced, watered-down version of what should have been. They offered it in an "outdated" twist rate even though they know only real operators use 1:7" barrel and they certainly don't pay extra for their folding stocks. They purchased a cash cow and ended with nothing more than a big "fuck you" to the consumer public.
If this sounds too much like the "Hitler rant", it's because it's the truth. And for the record, my hate for Cerberus stems back much farther. In fact, I was nearly banned from another forum for my response to a member's post on how Cerberus should have purchased HK from the BAE.
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I would rather hear the truth which in this case sounds like the general consensus before I make a decision I may regret.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
And what's even worse, the ACR was supposed to be offered with a 7.62x39 barrel. Still nothing. This is indicative of the whole rifle. I know I'm just echoing what everyone has said, but the ACR was promised to us as this great system. Crapmaster and Remington just didn't deliver what they promised. People had legitimate expectations based on Magpul's press of it, to include the Future Weapons spot that they had. Unfortunately, Crapmaster and Remington decided that they wanted to make maximum dollars for minimum value. The consumers got screwed. No sweat off my back. I'm much more willing to give POF my business.
And what's even worse, the ACR was supposed to be offered with a 7.62x39 barrel. Still nothing. This is indicative of the whole rifle. I know I'm just echoing what everyone has said, but the ACR was promised to us as this great system. Crapmaster and Remington just didn't deliver what they promised. People had legitimate expectations based on Magpul's press of it, to include the Future Weapons spot that they had. Unfortunately, Crapmaster and Remington decided that they wanted to make maximum dollars for minimum value. The consumers got screwed. No sweat off my back. I'm much more willing to give POF my business.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
The ACR allowed a new verb to enter our vocabulary.... to "bushmaster". A usage example would be - "That company really bushmastered that project".
The ACR allowed a new verb to enter our vocabulary.... to "bushmaster". A usage example would be - "That company really bushmastered that project".
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Haters gonna hate I guess. I had the $ so I picked up a really low serial # ACR when they first hit the streets. I don't know what this isn't, that it was expected to be? I have yet to send mine in but I expect a little something from BM just for my time and inconvenience(and it better be more than just a Pmag or something cheap). Other than the recall, what's so objectionable? It's accurate for what it is, it's reliable, easy to disassemble and far more ambidextrous than the SCAR(yes I have one). I like the fact that the charging handle doesn't recip and you can swap it to the other side if desired. I simply don't like Bushmaster; never have. I wish they hadn't had the money to buy the Masada design. I am waiting for a 7.62x39 lower and bbl, along with a 6.8. The ACR trigger isn't bad either, especially if you want to compare it to the SCAR(the trigger on my 17S is borderline unacceptable, then again I may have been ruined by RRA 2 stages). Call me a trigger snob if you'd like but the ACR trigger isn't bad. I have no idea what retailers paid for their ACRs but they're in business to make money and I know they made some off of me. I paid 2200 before taxes. Reasonable? Hardly. It was something I wanted though as I'd been following the Masada for quite a while.
I have over 500 rounds through my ACR and I've been pleased with it. It's still clean too. Of the people that HAVE an ACR in this thread, other than weight/cost, what are your objections? I understand the twist rate issue but the barrels used on the ACR are obviously old AR bbls worked over to fit. A 1/7 is supposedly available and I'm anxiously awaiting a 7.62x39 lower and a 6.8bbl. I tell you what though, BM(yeah they suck and I am not, in any way, sticking up for them) had better be up to speed on the newest changes on the 6.8 once those bbls do come out.
Anyhow, that being said, this is what I roll with....
I've stated on this site before that the ACR is no cure for BRD.
Haters gonna hate I guess. I had the $ so I picked up a really low serial # ACR when they first hit the streets. I don't know what this isn't, that it was expected to be? I have yet to send mine in but I expect a little something from BM just for my time and inconvenience(and it better be more than just a Pmag or something cheap). Other than the recall, what's so objectionable? It's accurate for what it is, it's reliable, easy to disassemble and far more ambidextrous than the SCAR(yes I have one). I like the fact that the charging handle doesn't recip and you can swap it to the other side if desired. I simply don't like Bushmaster; never have. I wish they hadn't had the money to buy the Masada design. I am waiting for a 7.62x39 lower and bbl, along with a 6.8. The ACR trigger isn't bad either, especially if you want to compare it to the SCAR(the trigger on my 17S is borderline unacceptable, then again I may have been ruined by RRA 2 stages). Call me a trigger snob if you'd like but the ACR trigger isn't bad. I have no idea what retailers paid for their ACRs but they're in business to make money and I know they made some off of me. I paid 2200 before taxes. Reasonable? Hardly. It was something I wanted though as I'd been following the Masada for quite a while.
I have over 500 rounds through my ACR and I've been pleased with it. It's still clean too. Of the people that HAVE an ACR in this thread, other than weight/cost, what are your objections? I understand the twist rate issue but the barrels used on the ACR are obviously old AR bbls worked over to fit. A 1/7 is supposedly available and I'm anxiously awaiting a 7.62x39 lower and a 6.8bbl. I tell you what though, BM(yeah they suck and I am not, in any way, sticking up for them) had better be up to speed on the newest changes on the 6.8 once those bbls do come out.
Anyhow, that being said, this is what I roll with....
I've stated on this site before that the ACR is no cure for BRD.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Since the Freedom Group owns Rem, BM, & AAC, it looks like a 300 BLK barreled version might come sooner than later.
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=65129
*NOTE*
I do not own an ACR and don't intend on purchasing one.
Came across this while working on my 300 BLK project and thought that I would pass this along.
Since the Freedom Group owns Rem, BM, & AAC, it looks like a 300 BLK barreled version might come sooner than later.
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=65129
*NOTE*
I do not own an ACR and don't intend on purchasing one.
Came across this while working on my 300 BLK project and thought that I would pass this along.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I looked at the ACR, and while it is a pretty sweet rifle and I'm sure the caliber conversion will be handy, at the price I'd just rather get a SCAR.
I looked at the ACR, and while it is a pretty sweet rifle and I'm sure the caliber conversion will be handy, at the price I'd just rather get a SCAR.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
It seems Remington is still working out the bugs in the system, optional metal receiver and optional metal folding stock.
Caliber 5.56 – 6.8 SPC II
Upper Receiver Monolithic free-float rail system, Picatinny 1913 mounting surface
Barrel 10.5” – 14.5” – 16.5” – 18”(TBD), Hammer forged, 6 groove, AAC Blackout flash hider, 1:7 (5.56) 1:11 (6.8)
Trigger Standard AR/M-16 trigger, 4.5 – 6lbs, Match trigger available
Stocks 6 Position right folding, polymer or optional metal version, Fixed position
Magazine Accepts MagPul PMAG and MilSpec M-16
Lower Receiver Fully ambidextrous controls, Polymer and metal available
Optics Will accept any optic or night vision
Handguard 5 Sided, Variable sized removable rail sections
Suppressor AAC M4-2000 or ACRSD
Weight 14.5 Weapon, Base rifle – 7lbs 14oz, Loaded w/ suppressor – 9lb 13oz
Length 14.5 Weapon, W/o Suppressor, Stock folded – 25.75”, W/o Suppressor, Stock deployed – 32.625”, W/o Suppressor, Stock extended – 35.5”
Variations Barrel lengths and calibers, Weapon color schemes, Stock options of polymer and metal, Lower receiver option of polymer or metal
Accessories Hard case, Deployment kit
It seems Remington is still working out the bugs in the system, optional metal receiver and optional metal folding stock.
Caliber 5.56 – 6.8 SPC II
Upper Receiver Monolithic free-float rail system, Picatinny 1913 mounting surface
Barrel 10.5” – 14.5” – 16.5” – 18”(TBD), Hammer forged, 6 groove, AAC Blackout flash hider, 1:7 (5.56) 1:11 (6.8)
Trigger Standard AR/M-16 trigger, 4.5 – 6lbs, Match trigger available
Stocks 6 Position right folding, polymer or optional metal version, Fixed position
Magazine Accepts MagPul PMAG and MilSpec M-16
Lower Receiver Fully ambidextrous controls, Polymer and metal available
Optics Will accept any optic or night vision
Handguard 5 Sided, Variable sized removable rail sections
Suppressor AAC M4-2000 or ACRSD
Weight 14.5 Weapon, Base rifle – 7lbs 14oz, Loaded w/ suppressor – 9lb 13oz
Length 14.5 Weapon, W/o Suppressor, Stock folded – 25.75”, W/o Suppressor, Stock deployed – 32.625”, W/o Suppressor, Stock extended – 35.5”
Variations Barrel lengths and calibers, Weapon color schemes, Stock options of polymer and metal, Lower receiver option of polymer or metal
Accessories Hard case, Deployment kit
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bustin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SCAR weighs a lb more than a AR, the ACR 2 lbs more.
It's kind of like the Sig, big and heavy and doesn't really do anything an AR can't do.
Rumor has it DPMS has been making all of Bushmasters parts since the Freedom Group purchased all of those companies and now the 3 Bushmaster plants are closing so is Remington going to make ACR parts or will DPMS make the ACR parts? That is a scary thought either way. </div></div>
I talked to a friend that used to work for Cerberus/Freedom group, so this is just thought the grape vine... Bushmaster is heading to the south. I'm not sure where there other companies are based, but which ever one is based in the south, that's who will likely be making Crapmaster stuff now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bustin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SCAR weighs a lb more than a AR, the ACR 2 lbs more.
It's kind of like the Sig, big and heavy and doesn't really do anything an AR can't do.
Rumor has it DPMS has been making all of Bushmasters parts since the Freedom Group purchased all of those companies and now the 3 Bushmaster plants are closing so is Remington going to make ACR parts or will DPMS make the ACR parts? That is a scary thought either way. </div></div>
I talked to a friend that used to work for Cerberus/Freedom group, so this is just thought the grape vine... Bushmaster is heading to the south. I'm not sure where there other companies are based, but which ever one is based in the south, that's who will likely be making Crapmaster stuff now.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
What about Robinson XCR?
http://www.robarm.com/#
Jamie
What about Robinson XCR?
http://www.robarm.com/#
Jamie
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I had marginal interest in it before it came out and kept checking to see what the real deal was when it was released as internet forums were all over the place as far as what the ACR was going to have.
My interest level went from that, to absolutely nothing when it was actually released. The price was the main killer. 2 times the price of an AR from a respected manufacturer for an unproven rifle that had gotten more playtime on MW2 than anywhere else?
They wanted over twice the price and the only benefit I could see over another AR is that you could change the barrel. Shit, for 2500 I could buy 2 ARs in different calibers, or get a different upper and still walk away with money for optics and ammo.
No thanks.
I had marginal interest in it before it came out and kept checking to see what the real deal was when it was released as internet forums were all over the place as far as what the ACR was going to have.
My interest level went from that, to absolutely nothing when it was actually released. The price was the main killer. 2 times the price of an AR from a respected manufacturer for an unproven rifle that had gotten more playtime on MW2 than anywhere else?
They wanted over twice the price and the only benefit I could see over another AR is that you could change the barrel. Shit, for 2500 I could buy 2 ARs in different calibers, or get a different upper and still walk away with money for optics and ammo.
No thanks.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I think that there was a lot of hype, and if Magpul had kept the project it might have lived up to it. However, Bushmaster released it with too few features, at a much higher price.
For $1500, it wouldn't be a terrible deal, even as it stands now. But for the price that it's now listed for, you can build an AR with just about any options you want. It's kind of a novelty piece. A lot of people buy stuff because it's cool. Being SCAR look-alike and featured on Call of Duty, I imagine Bushy thought that it would have a lot more cool factor sales than they did. I doubt most people who buy a gun for it's cool factor care much about what the twist rate is.
If you are interested in features like 1:7 twist, a good trigger, modularity, etc, the AR just wins hands down..
I think that there was a lot of hype, and if Magpul had kept the project it might have lived up to it. However, Bushmaster released it with too few features, at a much higher price.
For $1500, it wouldn't be a terrible deal, even as it stands now. But for the price that it's now listed for, you can build an AR with just about any options you want. It's kind of a novelty piece. A lot of people buy stuff because it's cool. Being SCAR look-alike and featured on Call of Duty, I imagine Bushy thought that it would have a lot more cool factor sales than they did. I doubt most people who buy a gun for it's cool factor care much about what the twist rate is.
If you are interested in features like 1:7 twist, a good trigger, modularity, etc, the AR just wins hands down..
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LRS_Ranger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think that there was a lot of hype, and if Magpul had kept the project it might have lived up to it. However, Bushmaster released it with too few features, at a much higher price.
For $1500, it wouldn't be a terrible deal, even as it stands now. But for the price that it's now listed for, you can build an AR with just about any options you want. It's kind of a novelty piece. A lot of people buy stuff because it's cool. Being SCAR look-alike and featured on Call of Duty, I imagine Bushy thought that it would have a lot more cool factor sales than they did. I doubt most people who buy a gun for it's cool factor care much about what the twist rate is.
If you are interested in features like 1:7 twist, a good trigger, modularity, etc, the AR just wins hands down..
</div></div>
I will not dispute that, however given the ACR's shortfalls, it is however a piston driven weapon and it will (hopefully) someday offer quick caliber conversions... however that remains to be seen...
I haven't given up on the ACR just yet, but unless to caliber conversion kits are cheap as shit and readily available and the overall prices on the ACR falls to about $1100-1200, Bushy might take this one in the ass.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LRS_Ranger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think that there was a lot of hype, and if Magpul had kept the project it might have lived up to it. However, Bushmaster released it with too few features, at a much higher price.
For $1500, it wouldn't be a terrible deal, even as it stands now. But for the price that it's now listed for, you can build an AR with just about any options you want. It's kind of a novelty piece. A lot of people buy stuff because it's cool. Being SCAR look-alike and featured on Call of Duty, I imagine Bushy thought that it would have a lot more cool factor sales than they did. I doubt most people who buy a gun for it's cool factor care much about what the twist rate is.
If you are interested in features like 1:7 twist, a good trigger, modularity, etc, the AR just wins hands down..
</div></div>
I will not dispute that, however given the ACR's shortfalls, it is however a piston driven weapon and it will (hopefully) someday offer quick caliber conversions... however that remains to be seen...
I haven't given up on the ACR just yet, but unless to caliber conversion kits are cheap as shit and readily available and the overall prices on the ACR falls to about $1100-1200, Bushy might take this one in the ass.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
Plus, I dunno about you all but the though of having a POF piston M4, a WASR 7.62x39 AND a .308 rifle for the same cost would be much more fun that just the 5.56 base model just seems like WIN - WIN - WIN if you ask me
Plus, I dunno about you all but the though of having a POF piston M4, a WASR 7.62x39 AND a .308 rifle for the same cost would be much more fun that just the 5.56 base model just seems like WIN - WIN - WIN if you ask me
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dark Horse</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jerseymike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone who talks about the ACR is on the call of duty forums.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/m...&pid=951944 </div></div>
Don't play video games so I guess I'm SOL. </div></div>
Dont worry I do play COD (Call of Duty) and that still sorta went over my head.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dark Horse</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jerseymike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone who talks about the ACR is on the call of duty forums.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/m...&pid=951944 </div></div>
Don't play video games so I guess I'm SOL. </div></div>
Dont worry I do play COD (Call of Duty) and that still sorta went over my head.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
I have an ACR and SCAR. I used to work at a gun shop and got a great deal on an ACR from the bushy rep. That being said I'd still take the Scar every day of the week. It's lighter, more accurate, and has better ergonomics!
My ACR is 1:7 for those who were wondering. I know they offer both twist rates!
I'm not sure about their bore/chamber coating either. Everyone else in the world chrome lines everything. They decided to go with some high tech coating that may or may not hold up to the 20000 round count that FN claims for the scar!
I have an ACR and SCAR. I used to work at a gun shop and got a great deal on an ACR from the bushy rep. That being said I'd still take the Scar every day of the week. It's lighter, more accurate, and has better ergonomics!
My ACR is 1:7 for those who were wondering. I know they offer both twist rates!
I'm not sure about their bore/chamber coating either. Everyone else in the world chrome lines everything. They decided to go with some high tech coating that may or may not hold up to the 20000 round count that FN claims for the scar!
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skyjunky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The recall didnt help matters </div></div>
Yeah, triggers are not exactly rocket science, and AFIC, there's no excuse for not just dropping a standard AR trigger group in the thing. Those parts are known and they work. To screw something that simple up does not bode well.
My official prediction: If the conglomerate price-gouges on the barrel/matched bolt conversions like Steyr did with just their replacement barrels, the ACR will just limp along as a niche market item, just like the offerings from Robison Arms up northa here.
It would be really sad if the ACR's market share winds up down there the Robison, without the "help" of a legendarily abrasive head honcho killing sales...
Bushmaster's execution of an excellent design appears as afflicted as was Mercedes-Benz's botching of their E series (and others maybe) circa 1996-2000. Great design don't mean squat if your materials and execution are spotty.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skyjunky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The recall didnt help matters </div></div>
Yeah, triggers are not exactly rocket science, and AFIC, there's no excuse for not just dropping a standard AR trigger group in the thing. Those parts are known and they work. To screw something that simple up does not bode well.
My official prediction: If the conglomerate price-gouges on the barrel/matched bolt conversions like Steyr did with just their replacement barrels, the ACR will just limp along as a niche market item, just like the offerings from Robison Arms up northa here.
It would be really sad if the ACR's market share winds up down there the Robison, without the "help" of a legendarily abrasive head honcho killing sales...
Bushmaster's execution of an excellent design appears as afflicted as was Mercedes-Benz's botching of their E series (and others maybe) circa 1996-2000. Great design don't mean squat if your materials and execution are spotty.
Re: Why so little chat about the Bushmaster ACR?
The Army times is reporting these are the competitors for the new military carbine competition. It should kick off in Jan.
But other companies have been preparing for this competition, as well. A few of the notable submissions include:
• The XCR by Robinson Armament.
• The M6A4 IAR, or similar variant, from LWRC.
• The Adaptive Combat Rifle by Remington.
• The SR-16 by Knight Armament.
• The SCAR by FNH.
. The Colt CM901
The Army times is reporting these are the competitors for the new military carbine competition. It should kick off in Jan.
But other companies have been preparing for this competition, as well. A few of the notable submissions include:
• The XCR by Robinson Armament.
• The M6A4 IAR, or similar variant, from LWRC.
• The Adaptive Combat Rifle by Remington.
• The SR-16 by Knight Armament.
• The SCAR by FNH.
. The Colt CM901
