Will body cams and cell video get cops killed??? This one boils my blood
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While in no way saying anything negative about the character or intentions of the officers, I will say that probably a good amount of people will recognize that they made some significantly dangerous choices in trying to handle the threat once they had interjected themselves and committed to a course of action. One of the officers came very close to serious or life threatening injury. I would assume back at their local police department they probably were told something similar.
This is the kind of real world actual event that can provide invaluable insight into how things go really bad really quick & what you need to do to not wind up dead. From that all kinds of things can be discussed and planned for, including the possibility of ways to not have to kill crazy while still keeping the police safe. Crazy is dangerous and if you let it get away from you for a second you can pay the price dearly.
I actually think AJ is....DRINKING.... and just having a good ol’ Rip.
I don't disagree, but on a deeper level, this is exactly what SHOULD be the difference between a LEO and a citizen. I also believe cops are underpaid nationwide by at least twofold.
get rid of 100% of the local police and put them under sheriffs, then cut the total force by 75% and double pay. I can get behind that.
Oh and make the cops abide by the same laws as a Citizen
What is the effective range of a taser? I have only seen them employed at distances of two to maybe six feet. Some who have posted think that should have been the first use of force.
I don't believe that anyone here would choose that to stop a deranged man [probable on drugs] that make him immune to the effects with a large knife.
Let's see a show of hands who would take a taser to a knife fight.
If that were their first act of submission this would have been another story of a police officer killed in the line of duty and it nearly was.
If he was successful in obtaining the pistol from the officer he tackled it could have been two dead officers.
The money that has been mentioned that will be expended in the law suites and administrative cost would then be paid to the widows and their children for decades.
I don't believe that anyone here would choose that to stop a deranged man [probable on drugs] that make him immune to the effects with a large knife.
Let's see a show of hands who would take a taser to a knife fight.
If that were their first act of submission this would have been another story of a police officer killed in the line of duty and it nearly was.
If he was successful in obtaining the pistol from the officer he tackled it could have been two dead officers.
The money that has been mentioned that will be expended in the law suites and administrative cost would then be paid to the widows and their children for decades.
Lotta Ifs there, grasping to justify killing a mental retard is unbecoming.
You act like being a cop is a dangerous job, take away getting hit by cars as they are writing tickets or crashing, getting killed by a criminal is a very low probability. Cops dont even make it to the top 50 dangerous jobs in the USA so stop with the heroics bullshit.
You act like being a cop is a dangerous job, take away getting hit by cars as they are writing tickets or crashing, getting killed by a criminal is a very low probability. Cops dont even make it to the top 50 dangerous jobs in the USA so stop with the heroics bullshit.
Dang dude. I kinda compare being a cop to being a tower crane operator. "Hours of boredom, moments of sheer terror." Just because 29 days a month you sit in a chair playing Nintendo, doesn't mean that when the winds pick up, you don't still have to do your job. Just because the danger's not constant doesn't make it less real. If anything, all those lazy days make it more dangerous than some kind of constant threat.
You’re the reason cameras are so great... they keep you accountable to us.
Insanity to suggest you shoot someone because they didn’t respect “your authoritae”
It's "Shotgun". One word (noun) Shot gun is a verb and what the 2 Popo's did. This is a shooting site. Decorum, please.
Carry on. These are always entertaining.
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They're not walking point in The Suck. The second they saw the knife they drew their weapons. All they saw was a kitchen knife. And started backing off. I don't get that luxury as an armed citizen. I have to be assualted, draw my weapon and shoot until the threat is over and I own every shot including missed. If I just draw, point and don't shoot before my life is in immediate danger I've committed a felony. Oh, and last but least the police will show up.
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Yes, you have to disarm yourself so the police won't overreact. Like a second threat that requires a passive reaction.
You’re leaving some things out. As a citizen, you don’t respond to calls. You’re not charged with apprehending criminals, the cops are. So while you could walk away, they can’t. If asshole has you in the crosshairs in this incident, dump him. Happens all the time, and you’d be completely within your rights. If you miss, and shoot the guy behind him, you were still within your rights to defend yourself, the same situation the cops would be in if they were in the same situation. Nobody is immune from civil liability. The felony you’re referring to is not applicable in a situation like this.
The cops acted properly in their response when they arrived and drew their weapons. They had prior knowledge of the situation, and the subject’s intent was immediately confirmed seconds later when he disobeyed commands and advanced. As far as I’m concerned, the worst they did was try too hard and for too long to talk him off the ledge. It ended exactly the way the suspect wanted it to. AJ should be more understanding of the suspect’s wants and needs.
shut the fuck up with these niceties ferkrissakes your ruining the rage and the badge bunnie suckoffs.
Interesting view some of ya have in here. What better day of the year for me to support your right to have it and wish you a safe and happy 4th
Congrats on an idiotic statement based off of not knowing a thing. You're the very reason I pass on most of these types of threads. You do not know me, know my department, my training or background and jump to stupid conclusions.
I want a cameras on everyone of my government employees, not just cops, all of them.
Can't walk away? Can do jack and shit while kids are getting shot up. Or when a theft rape or mursee happens and you do jack and shit for investigation.
Oh. Plenty of time for extortion and sleeping while receiving overtime.
What a fucking joke
The Deputy you’re referring to, is he being charged?
That guy should suck start his pistol, not sure who you’re preaching to.
Lmao. You know, NOT beating each other to death with rocks over silly BS is what allowed humans to become the apex predator on this planet. Let's all try to be a little better than the sum of internet interaction and keep that roll going, hey? Keep this up, and squirrels will be the death of us
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Of course, I'm forced to do everything for myself without police protection. As for these cops they had no plan. That was apparent with guns drawn and no attempt to flank. The retard marched those cops into a busy street. Got shot. Got back up. And managed to subdue an officer. Then the other officer had to shoot over his partner. Yeah, the whole thing was poetry in motion.
Never characterized it as poetry in motion. They should have dumped him sooner, which would take away all your current gripes, and give you and others a whole new set of gripes.
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I don’t know you. I only know about you that you just suggested cops shoot someone for disobeying after 2 or 3 commands just so they wouldn’t look bad.
You clearly wrote that.
Holy shit, context is everything. Disobeying a command to disarm when you're waving a fucking knife around should and will get you shot. The sooner the better.
So you are saying cops should pose immediate threats to citizens, thats how we should view cops? You know what that will lead to right? The most griping i see on this forum is from you all trying to justify every kill by a cop whenever someone questions their action.
your responses make me think BLM has a point.
your responses make me think BLM has a point.
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Two kinds of commands. The normal put down the knife then came the begging to put down the knife. Then in close quarters neither one laid a hand on the retard. Even when the retard rushed the officer he chose to go for his piece instead of fighting the now unarmed retard to the ground. This whole part was precipitated with the wounded retard on the ground and telling him to put his hands behind his back instead of just doing it themselves.
Use the fucking taser is all I am saying in this whole dam thread. There was no reason to shoot that retard dead. The extra training the cops need is combatives, Batons, and plain old fist fucking fighting and stop being such scared little pussies. You all need to weed out the pussies or easily frightened and the stone cold psychotic killers from your ranks.
you are in a insurgency war environment, every time you have a bad shoot or even a questionable shoot you lose 10 supporters, 100 people who were undecided decide against supporting the LEO community, 1000 people start watching you closer, and so on. You all are losing badly. And it is reflecting in recruiting.
you are in a insurgency war environment, every time you have a bad shoot or even a questionable shoot you lose 10 supporters, 100 people who were undecided decide against supporting the LEO community, 1000 people start watching you closer, and so on. You all are losing badly. And it is reflecting in recruiting.
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I’m wondering if a shotgun with bean bag rounds would have saved this crazy person’s life without too much danger to the officers? Any LEOs here have training on those and/or thoughts about their effectiveness?
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And it is obvious the police have asked the press not to publish anything about why the retard was in the parking lot with a kitchen knife in the first place.
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They probably were working with what they had. Officer #1 should have continued backing up but Officer #2 on the right should have held his ground forcing the retard into an L intersection. An intersection with a do not get out of jail free card. At least it would have shown they had a plan and were in control rather than other way around.
Lots going on in this thread, I'm still unsure of responding. @ArmyJerry made a point, no one is going to stop someone from harming me, except me. Truth and fact. Whether it's a bat, knife, bottle, or firearm; a police officer is in no way obligated to get between you and an attacker. ""Protect" and serve"? My fucking dick.
Regarding body cams. Some need them to curb their undeniable need to do something above the law. Others, well, I dont know. Every hoodrat out there knows cops have them, and it's almost as though they use it to their advantage in court later. Cameras only seem to come into play, at the same time the race card does. Heres a little tid-bit of advice: shut your fucking mouth, and do as asked, and you all might walk away free people. Who the fuck taught these idiots respect and decorum?
Use of force. Anyone who has ever been assaulted, like shown in the Rodney King footage posted earlier, knows damn well fights are not fair. That shit hurts. Seeing that brought back some serious angst, and almost a tremble to my typing hands. I WILL, I repeat, WILL, pull your fucking card LONG before it ever gets to that point. Mob mentality makes people and thugs alike, think they are invincible. Most of whom have never taken that boot to the face. After having been kicked, stabbed, assaulted; I'd rather take the gun shot. At least adrenaline might save your life. Bottom line, deadly force is just that. Dont start no shit, wont be no shit. Come at me in multiples, or with a deadly weapon, lights out.
Regarding body cams. Some need them to curb their undeniable need to do something above the law. Others, well, I dont know. Every hoodrat out there knows cops have them, and it's almost as though they use it to their advantage in court later. Cameras only seem to come into play, at the same time the race card does. Heres a little tid-bit of advice: shut your fucking mouth, and do as asked, and you all might walk away free people. Who the fuck taught these idiots respect and decorum?
Use of force. Anyone who has ever been assaulted, like shown in the Rodney King footage posted earlier, knows damn well fights are not fair. That shit hurts. Seeing that brought back some serious angst, and almost a tremble to my typing hands. I WILL, I repeat, WILL, pull your fucking card LONG before it ever gets to that point. Mob mentality makes people and thugs alike, think they are invincible. Most of whom have never taken that boot to the face. After having been kicked, stabbed, assaulted; I'd rather take the gun shot. At least adrenaline might save your life. Bottom line, deadly force is just that. Dont start no shit, wont be no shit. Come at me in multiples, or with a deadly weapon, lights out.
In a previous post I asked who would take a taser to a knife fight. I really did not expect anyone would. but you are advocating that someone else do so. How brave of you.
You are living a fantasy. Watching to many movies. Courts including the SCOTUS have ruled dozens of times that LEO (any government employee) are under NO obligation to protect/defend a single citizen. Their duty is to the community as a whole. Not individuals.
Think about it for a minute. It is impractical for LEO to be 100% responsible for you.
Oh and fuck me, Los Angeles police department is the 2nd or 3rd most corrupt in the country (Chicago #1 by a long shot). So fuck them and their "motto".
I think not so rigid as you imply about that “protect and serve”. What was he walking around with the knife in his hands for.....gardening?....really non of us have a real full story here. A man lost his life there, an ultimate Fucking SUCKS! I Do actually respect most of if not all of everyone’s “thoughts” that rolled here, AJ got some stuff from me, that’s ok I know he’s big enough. I “get” what he’s saying and ultimately this whole conversation, everyone’s take, it’s important to hear. I hate L.A. and it got bad, real bad. Fucking Big Cities....hard bunkers, it’s urban war. And...on a side note...AJ, 2NDAMENDFAN, and others...?.
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Ok, all knowing one. Show me where it states any officer, when faced with deadly force against them, must issue ANY commands. Truth is, you dont know what you're talking about. NOTHING says I must issue a warning or command before engaging an armed suspect.
My comment was only that some officers will be killed because of worrying more about political correctness and body cams rather than doing what must be done. You'll see that if you read all of my posts...
This thread is clearly being lost on some and no longer worth my time.
At 2:29 the perp got danger close and should have been dropped right then. WE were taught that early in training that someone with a knife has the advantage over a holstered gun if the distance is short. Damm fool is lucky to be alive.
This is what could have happened.
Neither. I would have shot him just as the cops did. You don't have the balls to admit that is what you would do if confronted by a deranged knife welding creep or do you also pretend to be Superman?
PS: I now believe you are the pussy and would just run away and then call the cops to do your work for you.
PS: I now believe you are the pussy and would just run away and then call the cops to do your work for you.
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Bean bags are going way of the dinosaur, not a lot of em around my department any more.
Nowadays the LL options usually consist of the stupid taser (never seen one work the way it's supposed to) and different variations of pepperball guns and 40mm launchers with OC or sponge rounds.
