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PRS Talk Will PRS have a gas gun division for 2020?
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A division, not an actual series (which was tried). Basically, you should the same cof, but in a gas gun division.
Yes, its true.
It will be a division like Production or Tactical.
It lacked participation as a separate series, but should do well as a separate division.
It will be a division like Production or Tactical.
It lacked participation as a separate series, but should do well as a separate division.
+1
i am interested in a class or division where everyone shoots a military caliber (.308) and imho, it would also be good to restrict ammo to commonly found factory loads, limiting any advantages outside of the skills to read conditions and behind the rifle.
of course, this will put me in last place, but at least i won't have anything else to blame.
i am interested in a class or division where everyone shoots a military caliber (.308) and imho, it would also be good to restrict ammo to commonly found factory loads, limiting any advantages outside of the skills to read conditions and behind the rifle.
of course, this will put me in last place, but at least i won't have anything else to blame.
The PRS Match Directors are reviewing the 2020 rule book and voting on proposed changes and how to implement them. We voted on 3 rules yesterday, and 1 so far today.
There are still a few more subjects in discussion, but it's close. The 2020 rule book should be out soon.
Shannon is doing a fantastic job of managing the proposed changes, listening to feedback, and putting them up to vote.
You will also see better recognition of the divisions at the club and regional level going forward.
Even if there are only one or two shooters, each division gets a winner who will receive 100 points towards the Regional Club Series Championship. Each division is separate and has no bearing on the other divisions.
Even if there are only one or two shooters, each division gets a winner who will receive 100 points towards the Regional Club Series Championship. Each division is separate and has no bearing on the other divisions.
A single gas gun division? Or a few sub-divisions like small frame tactical (223) small frame open (6.5G, 224V, wildcats) large frame open etc.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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Yes, they will be shooting the same match as everyone else. Mixed right in with the Open, Tactical, Production shooters, etc.
Just like every other division.
The division will encompass large or small frame ARs. So 308 to 223 and everything in between. .30 caliber and 3200fps limit.
Interesting. I hope it takes off. I wonder if the ballistics of a large frame in 6CM or the recoil control of 224V or a hot wildcat like 22 or 6mm Grendel end up being the flavor of the day.
I wonder the same thing. I'm actually very tempted to play in this division at the regional level.
My money is on the 6 Creedmoor, or as you mentioned, something in the nature of a 6mm Grendel. I love my 6.5 Grendel, but it lacks velocity. If you could get a 6 Grendel up around 2700 to 2750fps, I think it would be a good performer.
My money is on the 6 Creedmoor, or as you mentioned, something in the nature of a 6mm Grendel. I love my 6.5 Grendel, but it lacks velocity. If you could get a 6 Grendel up around 2700 to 2750fps, I think it would be a good performer.
thanks for sharing what you know so far.
i guess this makes things much simpler, at least to start when you don't know how many will show up to shoot (based on history),
it still means some competitors will be shooting smaller basketballs (so to speak), until there is enough consistent participation to warrant more consideration. either that, or folks with only military caliber rifles won't bother. i'd still want to shoot just to get better.
Thanks for the info @Birddog6424. I think it’s time to pull mine of the safe and start messing with loads. Maybe try it at the regional level.
Wondered that myself. There was a thread in semi auto about it but it didn't gain traction.
I wonder if F4 would get into that, they already have a small frame AR10 platform and are doing some wildcats like their 22 Creedmoor.
The 2020 rule book is out with the addition of the gas gun division.
I've got everything ordered for my 6.5 build, just gotta send it off to Craddock Precision to be barreled.
Haha, let me know how that goes!
I'm super tempted to grab a 24" with +2 gas and give it a whirl..
I'm thinking 22 Grendel though. I'm already running the 22BR in the bolt gun series. I think it may do well in the gasser as well.
In two months or so I'll be posting updates here:
I waffled between 22 and 6mm but BF sales, ease of loading and energy on target beat out the super cheap .224 bullets that I love so much.
@theLBC
Military calibers is tough to solidify.
What is a Military caliber? .308, .338NM, .338LM, .223, 300win, 300nm, .50, 6.5cm?
Asking, because these are all calibers employed by the US ARMY or are being adopted to employ in the next two years.
Military calibers is tough to solidify.
What is a Military caliber? .308, .338NM, .338LM, .223, 300win, 300nm, .50, 6.5cm?
Asking, because these are all calibers employed by the US ARMY or are being adopted to employ in the next two years.
right you are.
i think in the past, it was just the most common calibers (7.62 and 5.56) that many shooters already own.
i'm not fighting it in any case, just thought it would be better with a more level playing field for people that can't just go buy another rifle.
Well, anything over .30 cal is forbidden, si that would rule out any .338. But I agree, 6.5 CM is now in the arsenal.
Link to the rules here.
Copied and pasted below:
GAS GUN DIVISION
(ADD)
2.4 Gas Gun Division
2.4.1 Gas Gun Division rifles may consist of large or small frame semi-auto precision rifles
without restrictions. Gas guns division rifles will not exceed a caliber of .30 or a velocity of 3,200
fps. A match DQ will result any rounds over the speed limit of 3,200 fps (+/- 32 fps for
environmental factors and equipment discrepancies).
2.1.2 Match Officials may request at any point during a match that a competitor fire their rifle
through chronograph. If the bullet exceeds the 3,200 fps speed limit, the shooter will receive an
automatic match DQ.
Let the games begin
Copied and pasted below:
GAS GUN DIVISION
(ADD)
2.4 Gas Gun Division
2.4.1 Gas Gun Division rifles may consist of large or small frame semi-auto precision rifles
without restrictions. Gas guns division rifles will not exceed a caliber of .30 or a velocity of 3,200
fps. A match DQ will result any rounds over the speed limit of 3,200 fps (+/- 32 fps for
environmental factors and equipment discrepancies).
2.1.2 Match Officials may request at any point during a match that a competitor fire their rifle
through chronograph. If the bullet exceeds the 3,200 fps speed limit, the shooter will receive an
automatic match DQ.
Let the games begin
While I have a 6.5 Grendel that is one hell of a lot of fun to shoot in a match, I've got a 22 grendel barrel in the mail that I'm hoping will shred the 6.5 in drop and drift. JBM says it should. My 6.5 creedmoor bolt gun might not get out of the safe this coming year. Time will tell...
I also love my 6.5. But I think for the Gas Gun division, the 6mm or .22 Grendel is going to be where its it's at.
I ordered a 22Grendel barrel from Tactical Cannon about 5 weeks ago. Communication has been lacking. Come home every day looking on the porch. tracking numbers show nothing. Use my experience to pick your sources.
I really wanted this division or category or whatever the past few years. Now I have a bolt gun in addition to my gas gun. I will feel conflicted now. What to use? Flip a coin?
In the gas gun matches we had this year in DFW, the .223 ARs tended to dominate. Not an expected result to me. But I think we had a few AR10s in 762. Can’t really recall any in 6 creed. Will there be a gas tactical division? Or is tactical just for bolt guns?
In the gas gun matches we had this year in DFW, the .223 ARs tended to dominate. Not an expected result to me. But I think we had a few AR10s in 762. Can’t really recall any in 6 creed. Will there be a gas tactical division? Or is tactical just for bolt guns?
one division for gas, running anything you want up to .30 cal.
so if you are running what used to be considered "tactical or tactical light" you might want to go with your bolt gun.
i think gas guns will compete on the same course as bolt guns,?
so you probably want something that is 1000+ yard reliable?
My precision AR from Lone Star Armory can ping the 800 yard target, but I doubt it can go past 1000 yards successfully due to the caliber. I haven’t tried it though.
I read somewhere that the original intent of PRS gas gun was to bring new people into the sport who have ARs. But if those people are competing against others using 6mm whatever with 24 inch barrels, I don’t think the gas gun division will achieve that goal. A subdivision for tactical gas gun might do it. It wouldn’t matter if the military caliber gas guns can’t really hit the 1000+ yard targets reliably, as long as everyone in the division is in the same boat. And the local club rarely puts targets out past 800 yards. Maybe one stage out of six has a target that far, and it’s usually just one target. Things might be different at more competitive matches, but the local club matches are where new competitors are introduced to the sport. Maybe the tactical gas gun subdivision can be encouraged and offered only at local club matches but without any points being awarded?
The Gas Gun division will run concurrent COF right along with Open, Tactical, or Production. It encompasses all gas gun platforms, large and small frame ARs, AKs, Scars. The only restriction is nothing larger than 30 caliber, and nothing faster than 3200fps.
They aren't going to tailor this around the .223. It's been left wide open so you can find a competitive round that works for you. If you want a small frame AR15 look at the 6 or 22 Grendel. Large frame I suspect will really lean towards the 6 or 6.5 Creedmoor.
This has nothing to do with the separate Tactical division. You would be doing yourself a disservice by trying to run those calibers if you wish to take this division seriously.
I have a rifle ready to go for this. 6.5CM pushing 130 Berger’s at 2900 should be competitive ballistically.
I’m signed up for a couple matches already in open but considering switching to gas gun. Only thing holding me back is if there will be competition. I don’t want to be the only one shooting the division. Anyone else definitely competing in gas gun for the 2 day matches?
I’m signed up for a couple matches already in open but considering switching to gas gun. Only thing holding me back is if there will be competition. I don’t want to be the only one shooting the division. Anyone else definitely competing in gas gun for the 2 day matches?
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