Seems they're handing those out like awards lately. Anyone else?

I've spent the last three years shooting groups.
50 shots at a time, 100 and 200 yards and documenting the results.
I noticed something that annoys me, groups don't satisfy Rule #1....Hit what you aim at.
The group may be tight, but the center of the group wanders relative to the point of aim.
Shooting a group works well for dialing in a scope or checking ammunition quality,
but it doesn't meet the requirements of Rule #1.

Shooting for score is a much better method for evaluating accuracy.
But it sure does eat up ink and printer paper...that stuff is damn expensive.
Almost cheaper to buy a new printer each time the ink runs low.

I devised a much simpler solution for keeping track of my results, The Grid.
Section of cardboard, a straight edge and a marker, 5 lines horizontal, 10 vertical, try to punch the intersects.
Makes for a cheap and effective technique of documenting my results at 50 and 100 yards.
No proprietary targets, no printer paper or expensive ink consumed, the cardboard can be recycled.
Same effect as the USBR Green Monster X 2, all 50 shots on a single target.



Makes it very simple to document improvement over time, and ammo quality.
Not like groups where problems get hidden by the shift of the group due to wind or mv spread.
Cartridge created strays don't hide in the outer edges of the bug hole, every shot is on it's own.
Where it impacts is easily seen relative to the grid lines. Claims of sub-moa "all day long" don't hold up.

In order to maintain sub-moa at 50 yards, all bullet holes must show up less than 0.26 inch
from grid intersect to center of impact. At 100 yards have to stay within 0.52 inches.
That is not an easy thing to accomplish.

Tried it this weekend, CZ 455, Lilja barrel, 32x target scope on heavy bags, 50 yards.
Wind from the NE at 8-12 mph, my 10 o'clock.



Up first, CCI SV



Nope, no "all day long" there.

Then some Prime Semi-Auto, made by RWS.



Nope, those cartridges can't produce predictable trajectories.
MV spread and strays caused by cartridge problems.

Hey! Where's y'er wind flags? Those strays are caused by wind!
We don't need no stinking wind flags...it's fall. Fluff is in the air.
Seeds with the attached fluff are carried across the range, blown loose from the berm vegetation.
Extremely easy to see what the wind is up to. Watch the fluff dance up/down/left/right,
wait for it to drop and then squeeze. Nature's own wind-i-cators.



Jbell's 6x5 shows what happens for group size, but not how it does with Rule #1.

Grab some cardboard, draw those lines, let's see if you can really maintain sub-moa "all day long".
I can't, not with cheap rimfire ammunition. I'm going to try this with 22lr, 17hmr and 22wmr.
If you have a 17 hm2 or a 17 wsm, show us what you can accomplish. No printer ink or paper needed.
50 shots on one chunk of cardboard, no measuring or scoring needed. The bullets themselves tell the hole story.

..... and into a Nox18. Going to be hard, because at almost $1700-2k price difference when its all said and done, is the Nox really worth that over the China Iray?

Disclaimer: i dont own any Thermal now. was ready to pull the trigger last Turkey day on a Nox and decided to hold off. Now i think im ready to jump in with both feet. Have my eye on a dedicated thermal gun scope also.

While we are dealing with stupid shit at home? Hmmm...what say you?

If you're a cooking enthusiast, you already know that Penzey's is the source for the absolute best herbs and spices. I've been a customer for years and subscribe to their newsletter. Then, they sent the one below on Saturday. I've sent them a nicely worded 'you're an idiot' response and will no longer patronize their business. WTF...

And guns are dumb. Yes, hunting, and ranching, and law enforcement, but even then there are substantial risks. But owning a gun as though it is some sort of safety accessory is stupid. It’s like spending hundreds of dollars to add a self-destruct button to your life. At any moment, all it takes is one pull of the trigger, and just like that all the goodness in your life can be gone, never to return. Guns are dumb.

We should all feel safe, and as humans, long before we had cooking we had weapons. But if you ever need a weapon, just look around you, they are everywhere. These days the kitchen of every American home rivals the arsenal of a good-sized medieval village. And who even needs the pointy things when you have cast iron? But guns are different. They try to sell you on the idea that guns give you control, yet with one pull of the trigger whatever happens next will forever be in someone else’s hands.

With yesterday’s verdict in Kenosha there were many headlines. Some spoke of freedom, and self-defense, and innocence, but once you pull the trigger there is no going back to what you were before. There is no return to innocence. Bring a gun into your home and it’s far less likely to take the life of a stranger in self-defense than it is to kill someone you love through accident, suicide, or your anger. A lot of the time someone wanting to own a gun is a pretty good sign that they’re the kind of person who shouldn’t have one. Guns are dumb.

I know that for many of you yesterday’s verdict and the joy it sent through the pro-gun crowd brought a sense of goodness slipping away. I get that. For me, in times like these I find cooking brings perspective. Once I came to see cooking as what it is, an act of kindness, the news lost much of its power to bring me down.

Even though the news presents itself as having its finger on the pulse of where we are at, it in reality shows little more than the couple dozen most out of the ordinary events that took place in the past day. Much of the news is horribly unkind. But to see cooking as kindness is to understand that for each and every event horrible enough to make the national news there are hundreds of thousands of acts of kindness happening in kitchens all across the country every day. Even on the worst of days there is so much more goodness. Please try to see it if you can.

If you are a hunter or if your job requires a gun, sure. But if you have a gun out of a sense of safety get rid of it asap. It is nothing more than a self-destruct button for the goodness in your life and in the lives of those you love. Guns are dumb.

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I don’t get it.

3 bubbas chase down and attempt to arrest a black dude that they thought might have been stealing and kill him in the process, and it’s mostly crickets, but Rittenhouse is all they could talk about for weeks during the trial and now afterwards.

Nothing has come across my apple news on the phone, despite getting several a day on the Rittenhouse trial. Also haven’t seen anything on the news until this morning and it was brief.

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I’ve agreed with some buddies to take part in a local monthly competition, however because I’m a smith I had to agree to a few rules to “handicap” me. Here is where you can help!

TAKE MY MONEY! Sell me something that fits the following:

1. I am not allowed to build my own handgun or use one already owned.

2. Cannot spend over $1500.00

3. Must be a factory gun, ready to go. (Sorry no Sunday night special Glocks put together while watching America’s Funniest home videos. ) it CAN be pretuned or modified, but the base model has to be a regularly offered sku or item.

4. Must be 9mm, 40s&w, or 45acp.

Red dots are allowed. No limits on barrel length, brand, etc. BUT it must be a gun offered for sale regularly.

It cannot be a revolver and must be capable of carrying high capacity mags, possibly with extensions if needed.

Consumables like mags do not count toward the limit.

If anyone has something super sneaky and special laying around, contact me!

I didn’t make the rules but now I wanna make them cry when I show up with something really cool or ridiculous.

Thanks in advance for anyone’s help!

Wanna sell my accuracy international 24” 6.5 creedmoor barrel. Brand new never been fired 600 shipped to your door insured

We’re flying to Texas from Oregon after Christmas. Going to shoot a hog or 5. I’ll have to ship the meat so I’m not bringing back everything I kill. So the question, what’s the best parts to bring home?

Not going to make bacon or anything, just chops and roasts I imagine. I’m open to advice.



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Well now inflation is going to keep prices up but when’s supply going to catch up?

No thread here about it ?

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i've been on here a long time, in my opinion, and not sure if it is still the case, but it seemed paypal f/f was the go to payment method for quite a while. i believe paypal f/f was used because, no fee but also because it was very similiar to paying with cash as there was no way to dispute it. however, my question is that recently i sold something to someone, not on this forum or even firearm related. he seems legit, but no phone call, andquite a few messages, he paypal f/f'ed me the agreed amout BUT he put in a message tied to the payment a detailed description of the item ( a kite, in this case) and his address. i have heard of buyers disputing charges with their credit card they used with paypal when using paypal family/friends. as in scammers as BUYERS, who then try to keep the item and get their money back. in fact the message pretty much said, "joe, here is the $xxx for the kite, please send to "buyers address"

it seems like he is setting it up as a goods/services type of payment but without the fee.

has anyone else heard of this or had it happen. i mean, where a buyer disputes a paypal f/f payment on their end? i am probably a little too paranoid

So there is a local guy who came recommended, has good reviews etc. to do a pin and weld job. Below is the end result on my brand new Noveske Afghan Stainless barrel. Not sure if it's totally ruined yet, going to try and get a bore scope in it a look for sugaring and discoloring inside the barrel.

I put about 30 rounds through it, it's holding accuracy thankfully but the integrity of the Barrel is what has me worried now.

There was some excess rocksett glue that dripped from the barrel threads when I had dropped it off to him. He claims a lot of the dark spots near the muzzle device are just burned rocksett.

The only photos I have of the inside are with my phone, luckily no holes or visible bubbling.

Moral of the story: Send your stuff to Arco or D. Wilson

1929 Cleveland inline 4 cylinder.

The owner wants to throw "cubic dollars" at a project. This started with me having to grind a tool for cutting the ring pack grooves. .0375" wide with a 3* draft on the trail and side reliefs at 1*.






Then the fun starts... Designing/modeling. This is the roughing portion of the part as it runs through the simulator. The cusps are just from the tool's stepover. That cleans up on the finishing paths.

Op1 lathe parts off the machine. OD is to size along with the ring grooves.



Running the program through the machine sim. This is the roughing portion. (why there's cusps in the corner fillets. Those cleanup during finishing



Finishing. All that's left now are the drill ops for pin oiling and evacuation off of the oil control rings. The slugs are going to be left "long" on the crown side so that they can be sized accordingly on the deck height after the block is resurfaced. (were not part of any block work)

Sunday projects. . .fun stuff.