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Scope for 24” 6.5 Creed AIAT

Hi all,

I just sold the Vortex Razor 4.5-27 that lived on my AIAT and am looking to upgrade optics.
I’m mainly debating between the following 4 options:

NF ATACR 4-20
NF ATACR 5-25
ZCO 4-20
ZCO 5-27

The max range I’d use this at is 1200-1300m for target shooting, but typically sub-700m. I’ll also do some hunting with it and want to compete in PRS and NRL matches, but those aren’t as high of priorities. I really like the decreased weight of the ZC420 but not sure if the weight savings are worth giving up 7x extra magnification for the ranges I’m looking at shooting to. I also do intend on getting either a CNVD or clip on thermal unit in the near future, if that makes a difference.

Dropped a pic of the rifle as it was set up for some eye candy below.
Appreciate all the help!
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Resized brass vs new

I have been using new Winchester brand .308 brass for a long time, but my supply was running out, so I sent it off to have it resized, trimmed, and cleaned. After receiving the brass, I checked to see if would chamber and extract in my Rem 700 and it was fine. Today was my first loading session with the resized brass. After loading the first case, it shaved some jacket material from the bullet, a 175g SMK. After that I ran the brass through a Sinclair expander mandrel, and used my RCBS case prep center to chamfer the inside and outside of the cases. My recollection is that the mandrel expands the case mouths by .002". It appears that there is still some scraping of the jackets, but not as bad as initially.

Should I:
  • Be concerned that this will affect accuracy?
  • Try shooting it before worrying about it?
Any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Must be nice to have a math brain

So I went shooting with my stepson yesterday and I pulled out a 6.5 creedmoor AR with 18" barrel I built awhile back and just for fun I decided to try a shot at 1000 cold bore. I looked over at him and asked what dope he thought I should use and he thought a few seconds and said try 10.8. Was a miss low and he said try 11.1. So I hold 11 on this IPSC at 1000 with a 1-8x VCOG and get a hit. I was kind of stunned. We haven't been shooting 6.5 at all, and never out of an 18" barrel.

Asked him how he did it and he said he remembers a couple of numbers for a caliber, and then just adjusts for barrel length and I guess an estimated velocity as well, all in his head.

Maybe not impressive to some, but I can't remember what I held at a certain distance 5 minutes ago, much less figure that shit out in my head on the fly. :)

Recommendations for Sub $400 scope with gridded reticle

Have a Savage 12 FV in .223 that I am looking to put inexpensive gridded reticle on. Planning on taking out to 700-800 yards. Specs are

Variable FFP
Around 4-6x on low end and 18-24x on high end
Prefer Milliradian
Parallax adjustment
Not concerned about reliability of turrets. Planning on holds for everything.
No particular gridded reticle in mind. Have used GAP G3 and H59. Liked both.

Midway USA has an Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x with APMR FFP IR MIL reticle for $270. Pretty much fits the bill but seeing what other recommendations the community might have.

Sidearms & Scatterguns What Flashlight?

I'm looking for some flashlight suggestions.
General use, nightstand, hunting pack, vehicle, in the yard with the dog (I live in the country).
I'm thinking 8" or less, CR123 and or rechargeable.
Multiple illumination levels so it can be daylight bright or dim enough to read a map.
Thank you,
DW

Canuckistanian Federal Election,

When we've had (in the past) a choice between LIEberals, NDP (Need Dumber Politicians), Conservatives, Partie Queerbeqoise (some unintelligible crap spoken through noses), or the Green Party (4:20 dude, and ban all humans)..... one has a choice to make.

Except now, where the much-supported (previously) Conservatives have now turned into "LIEberal-Lite".... but no worries, we also have ANOTHER new party to vote for:

The People's Party of Canada. (tell me that don't sound communistic?)

Except the People's Party (purple is their colour) is the ONLY ONE to actually support the Law Abiding Citizens as well as want to rescind previously made gun-grabbing laws.

How many times here have I expounded about 'more than 2 party systems' are bad??????

This is why.

Half of the former conservatives are going to vote for the Purple Party. The other half are going to be 'steadfast conservatives' because.... well, that's just what they do.
And when ALL of the LIEberal supporters are still going to vote for the Lying party.... well, they're still going to get it. but each of the other parties are going to receive small portions of the remainder.

God, do I ever want to be wrong about this. But our country is going to hell, and this is NOT the county that my ancestors made/build/created.

Thoughts?

Options?

New Vertical Grips-Your Input Requested

Hello All,

Very excited to see these in some of your hands.

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Lots of care and testing put into the ergos of this grip, which I intend as a bridge between more common "AR" oriented grips and bolt gun "grips" which are typically chunky and useless beyond guiding the rifle.

3D printed, this time from PA12 rather than my typical PA11. This allows for a lower price point and there's some unique internal geometry to keep the robustness where I like it. Available with and without a small thumb shelf and "finger pad", right now only for righties but that will be changing soon.

You can check out more below, and I welcome any and all input, requests, etc!

Vertical Crossover Grip

Tyler

Is it live or is it Memorex? Is it Kabul or is it Chicago?

You old geezers may remember the Memorex commercials. I thought it a good lead in to.....

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My Tacoma had an accident

2021 Tacoma, got rear-ended on the way home from work, car in front of another car decided they wanted to turn at the last minute. I slammed my brakes but the guy behind me wasn't as fast I guess.
Instead of checking to see if we were ok, dude in front of me left. I guess it doesn't matter, I didn't manage to hit him.
I thought the guy in the Kia was hurt. Took me a few seconds to realize what happened and I heard yelling, coming from behind me. Turns out the other driver was beside my truck freaking out. Nice guy at least, wish I could have met the dude under better circumstances. His airbag went off mine didn't.

Bed is shifted and hit the cab. No longer an even space between the cab and bed. I'm thinking its more of the box and less of the frame. Eh either way, kinda impressed with the Toyota. Wanna take bets if its totaled?

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SOLD Manners MCS-TA Stock - SPF

Actual shipping via UPS will be charged.
Items will ship as quickly as possible. We are running a bit behind on order processing right now, so we may require your patience to get things out. Everything should go out within two weeks of order at the latest.

Orders will be taken in the order they are received via phone: 605-554-1911 (No reservations)
Leave a message if no answer, as orders will be handled in the order phone contact is received.
Credit cards accepted: Visa or Mastercard. Shipping address must match billing address.

Manners MCS-TA Stock - $400
Defiance Deviant SA Inlet
Krieger #5 barrel channel
1" decel pad
Flush cups front/back, left side, non-rotating.
Atlas rail
Desert Sage MCS Camo

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Biden Administration Launches Investigation into Broken McDonald’s Ice Cream Machines


At long last, something meaningful out of Potato Joe's administration!
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Accessories Gone

Free to a good home. I don’t need them anymore, but I’m sure some 5 jump chump needs this. Complete single point and lowering line. Lowering line was manufactured in 2013. This was my personal set, I’m retired and don’t think red dawn is coming anytime soon. I’m relatively close to Bragg if you want them and are from there.

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How to reduce AR15 recoil WITHOUT adjustable gas block or muzzle brake?

I'm looking to build a Service Rifle AR15 for CMP EIC, and there are certain rules that must be adhered to. The big ones are:

-5.56/.223
-Stoner gas impingement or piston, NO adjustable gas block
-20" barrel max, no portion of the barrel may exceed 0.75" forward of the gas block
-No muzzle brake or compensator. Flash suppressor is allowed, but not required
-To my understanding, there is NO weight limit

There are several other rules and largely don't matter for this post, but for reference, a 4.5 power optic isn't required, but is allowed. The trigger must be a minimum of 4.5 pounds, and can either be a single or two stage. So there is some leeway allowed in the rifle. While I certainly don't want to cheat, if a rule is not explicitly mentioned, I'd assume there is no limitation. But, assuming can be dangerous.

About the only thing I can come up with is a low mass BCG, but I worry about running one without an adjustable gas block. Instead of an adjustable gas block, are there adjustable buffer/springs that can somewhat do the same thing? JP Enterprise silent capture? I know there are adjustable gas tubes, but, I feel that would be pushing it. Is it possible to have a fixed gas block with a smaller gas port, or one that you drill out yourself? That would take a lot of time to tune, but, technically be legal?

My only other thoughts are, I know the flash suppressor isn't a muzzle brake. But does it offer ANY kind of recoil reduction? The rifle is supposed to "exhibit a general overall external appearance to the M-16"; which is how I think the "internal" modifications listed above will probably be acceptable.

Hopefully I'm not just chasing impossible ideas here. If nothing I've mentioned above will work, I'll probably buy a service rifle instead of build. Thanks for any input.

RV purchase pros and cons

Currently renting a home in Jacksonville/Orange Park FL after selling my home in Indiana 12 months ago. ($1600/month for 4 bedroom home. got a good deal b4 prices jacked up recently)

Just tossing around thoughts on buying a used/new RV (not 5th wheel)

Cons
No room for guns
No space for garage stuff
No space for current home furniture

Pros
Freedom from Landlords/Property mgrs
Freedom to relocate


Any forums to join for more research?

Thanks,

Mike