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Low point of the day, blm says they will support jessie smollett despite overwhelming evidence that he staged the fake attack because he is the victim of white supremacy.

Even lower point, the arsonist who burned down the Foxnews’ Christmas tree was released without bail.

Despite what seemed to be a record low point, jan scaki, presidential news spokesman claims that the reason for the smash and grab robberies that are overwhelming retailers in many, many major cities across the nation is caused by….Can’t make this shit up…Covid

140 Berger Hybrids jump...How far?

I have 1,400 Berger 140gr Hybrids sitting on my bench and I am considering dump them on the PX...for everyone else to enjoy

I'm spending too much time schlepping back and forth to the range (and not having fun). Before I give up...

Questions:
How far others are jumping 140 Hybrids?
Assuming this Hornady OAL gauge was correct, my CBTO is 2.230. Tested 12 to 34 thous off. Many articles saying "ah, just start at 20 thou and you're good". Is there any empirical data (your loads) that suggest I should be going 40, 50 60, 70 80 (???) thous off?

What is impact on seating depth on velocity/SD/accuracy? My SD are not consistent session to session even with the same charge and same depth. Groups are also inconsistent. I can put 3 in a hole one session then 20 minutes later have a scatter graph. Could this inconsistency be a result of me not jumping the Hybrids far enough?

Would my short jump invalidate my velocity testing? When I did my initial velocity testing (40.8-42.5gr) I sat the bullets at 20 thous (CBTO 2.210). If Berger Hybrids do prefer a bigger jump in my barrel, would I need to re-do my velocity testing?


Here is my setup:
  • AI/AX
  • 26in WinTac Bartlein
  • 140gr Hybrids
  • 41.6gr H4350 >>> three ladder tests suggested node btw 41.5-41.7 and I went with 41.6....
  • CCI 200 LRP
  • Hornady Brass
  • Benchsource annealed
  • .264 mandrel expander
  • .289 Neck bushing

Here are my results form yesterday's 100 yard session:
Observations:
1) Nothing clearly stands out as consistently accurate
2) I have #5 and #6 where a group with one that is completely off and random >>> SD is aweful on both
3) Vertical stringing in #1 12 thous and #3 20 thous

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Rifle Scopes your opinions on mid tier optics like XTR3 vs XRS3/DMR3 vs Cronus Gen2

best scope $1k-1500

  • Bushnell DMR3

    Votes: 19 13.0%
  • Bushnell XRS3

    Votes: 30 20.5%
  • Burris XTR3

    Votes: 47 32.2%
  • Athlon Cronus gen 2

    Votes: 31 21.2%
  • Leupold Mark 4

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Vortex Razor / Viper

    Votes: 12 8.2%
  • Other....

    Votes: 7 4.8%

Hello Hide,

I'm looking to upgrade my current scope. i have a NF 3.5-15x50mm i got around 2008 timeframe. its worked great and now its time for an upgrade.
Ive seen a lot of posts about top tier ZCO vs TT vs S&B vs NF but i haven't seen posts about optics in the $1000-1500 range.

i have seen Bushnell DMR3/XRS3, Burris XTR3, and Athlon Cronus gen 2's for $1200 +/- 100.

my current consideration is the XRS3 or XTR3. i can get either for the same price.

Thank you,
Chuck

Edited to add my info below
Please consider including the following when asking the SH community what scope we'd recommend for you:
  • What is the platform for the scope? Semi-Auto AR-15 / AR-10
  • What cartridge are you shooting? 223, 6.5cm
  • What is your intended use for the scope? Benchrest, Hunting, Target, Steel, gas gun challenges
  • What type of conditions will you typically shoot in? Daylight, Lowlight
  • What are the typical distances you intend to shoot? 75-1500 yds. i would like to hit 1760
  • Are there any specific specifications you would like? FFP, tree reticle, 56mm objective, focus below 50 yds, mil, Huge FoV
  • What is the price range you can afford? $500-$1300

Ballistics calculators don't match real world observation

So I'm relatively new to long range shooting. I have a Springfield Waypoint in 6.5 CM, and shooting a hand load - Hornady 143 gr ELD-X with 41.5 grains of H4350 powder. The Hornady manual states muzzle velocity at 2750, and I've chrono'd it with a Magnetospeed v3 at ~2720. When I this load into any ballistic calculator (including my rangefinding binos), they all come out pretty close in terms of come up: ~4.0 MOA at 300 yards and ~6.7 MOA at 400 (just to give a couple examples). Problem is both times I've shot this week, those calculations are significantly off. At 300 yards I was missing a swinging target (12" steel plate) completely. I dropped down to a 3.0 MOA come up and didn't miss. I also got a target out at 300 yards and dialing 3.0 MOA, put 10 rounds in the 9 ring (about 8" in diameter on the target I was using). Tried at 400 and was missing another 12" steel target using the suggested elevation from ballistics software (6.7 MOA). Dropped to 5.5 and was spot on.

I feel like I must be doing something wrong, as I can't imagine every calculator is wrong. Thought that it might be the Magnetospeed and the FPS was way low; when I bump the muzzle velocity to 3000 FPS, the number the calculators give me are almost spot on to the DOPE I established when actually shooting. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Home Alone is the best Christmas movie of all time

I've literally watched this movie five times within the last three weeks. It gets better every time and I appreciate subtle things about it that I didn't previously notice. I truly think this movie is a masterpiece. The acting by Culkin, Pesci, and Stern really couldn't have been any better.

And the John Williams score really brings it all together in a very sentimental way.

Planning Gun Room Build, Electrical Question

In the process of planning my gun room build. The room is approx 50 feet from the service panel and will be 15x20 or close to it once completed.. I would like to run a 20A circuit for outlets in the room. I was looking at running a 12-2 wire for this circuit but research has been questioning if the is large enough given the distance. Any electricians on here? I have some time before wiring as removing floor drains and having the concrete floor leveled is the first priority.

Funniest thing I read yesterday


Webb [The prosecutor] also showed private Instagram messages between Bola Osundairo and Smollett in which the latter kept updating Bola on his whereabouts and flight delay information on the night of the attack, making the case that he was working with him to time out the planned attack. The duo had a contentious moment when Webb began reading the messages out loud. Some of the messages included the use of the N-word, prompting Smollett to interrupt the prosecutor to ask him to spell or abbreviate the word so as not to offend "every African American in this room."

Webb said that Smollett was welcome to read his own messages to the court but that he would not censor the quotations of the actor's messages. Smollett complied and the two moved on.


No word on whether Smollett apologized.

Firearms MG 34 - SPF

Throwing this out as a feeler. Don't necessarily need to sell it, but maybe someone could enjoy it more than me.

MG 34 on a dummy receiver (solid aluminum, I believe). Does not have bolt, spring, or charging handle. Pretty nice shape and everything functions as it should (the parts that are there).



Receiver build kits are going for $2200 ish to get this thing shooting semi-automatic. Otherwise, it makes one hell of a wall hanger.

This is not a functioning firearm and therefore does not need to be shipped to an FFL. This can ship directly to your front door.

Trades welcome -

1911's, 2011's, double action revolvers, high-ish end factory AR's, anything else that's cool
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Employment musing

Some states seem confused about free market and freedom (duh I know)

Two things which should NOT go together AT WILL EMPLOYMENT -and- making non compete and training bonds (where you must work for X amount of time or face a fee) legally enforceable.

It’s ether free market (my fav), or more like a odd professional marriage.

If you’re free to fire me for any reason, I should be free to work for whomever I want in my off time, and also fire you as my employer at any time for any reason.

What are the best pro-gun lobbying organizations to join/support?

So far I'm only a member of the GOA.

I used to be an NRA member, but I think they spent more money sending me donation requests than I even gave them for a membership, and I often hear complaints about how they compromise too much.

I love what the NSSF does, especially with their instructional videos on Youtube, so I was going to likely send them a donation. Supposedly membership is only for people working in the firearm industry.

Who makes the biggest difference? I see Ohio and Florida are trying to pass constitutional carry. What organizations, if any, are putting some resources behind these kinds of efforts?

Thanks
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SOLD WTS-AT-X-sold locally

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Unfired AT-X
the chassis has been cerkoted bull shark gray
PLF338 bag rider
6 Dasher chambered by PVA Bartlein 26" heavy Palma contour 26" 5/8X24 1:7.5 unfired
6 Dasher chambered by Straight Jacket Rock Creek 26" Heavy Palma contour 5/8X24 1:7 50 rounds fired in another gun
3 new mags with HRD kits
2 new standard mags
$6250 shipped

I don't want to part it out right now so please don't ask.

Ammo storage & transportation

Hope this isn't the wrong place for this, but the only other ammo related place was the reloading section, and that didn't seem right...

I'm looking to see if anyone has good ideas on the best way to store the maximum amount of rifle ammo in a .50 cal ammo can. It would need to be secure for long term storage, but also be available for ease of transport, should you need to take to the field. Ideally, I'd like it to NOT have it in the factory cardboard boxes. I know this is the most secure way, but it also can severely limit the amount you can fit in a single ammo can, given civilian ammo packaging practices. (Not talking about 30 rds of 5.56 on stripper clips here)

Some ammo comes in bigger boxes that others.

Fed XM193 is a relatively small box.
Fed Premium .223 Law Enforcement Tactical TRU 55 gr High Shok SP is the same size rounds, but in a much larger box.
I just took a bunch out of the box and put them loose in the can... Hopefully they'll be OK.
However, I wouldn't want to do that for my .243 ammo. That thing is a tack driver. It's one of the precision rifles I'm learning on since coming over here. That ammo gets damaged, I'm screwed.
In factory boxes, I only get 240 rounds of .243 in a can... I'd like to get around 500 in a can... if I could without damaging them. Less cans makes for a more efficient move.

Ideas anyone?