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Planning Gun Room Build, Electrical Question

neeltburn
In the process of planning my gun room build. The room is approx 50 feet from the service panel and will be 15x20 or close to it once completed.. I would like to run a 20A circuit for outlets in the room. I was looking at running a 12-2 wire for this circuit but research has been questioning if the is large enough given the distance. Any electricians on here? I have some time before wiring as removing floor drains and having the concrete floor leveled is the first priority.
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Funniest thing I read yesterday

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Jussie Smollett blasts prosecutor for reading actor's texts that included N-word

Jussie Smollett took the stand for the second day in a row at his trial on Tuesday.
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Webb [The prosecutor] also showed private Instagram messages between Bola Osundairo and Smollett in which the latter kept updating Bola on his whereabouts and flight delay information on the night of the attack, making the case that he was working with him to time out the planned attack. The duo had a contentious moment when Webb began reading the messages out loud. Some of the messages included the use of the N-word, prompting Smollett to interrupt the prosecutor to ask him to spell or abbreviate the word so as not to offend "every African American in this room."

Webb said that Smollett was welcome to read his own messages to the court but that he would not censor the quotations of the actor's messages. Smollett complied and the two moved on.

No word on whether Smollett apologized.
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Firearms MG 34 - SPF

cattleman99
Throwing this out as a feeler. Don't necessarily need to sell it, but maybe someone could enjoy it more than me.

MG 34 on a dummy receiver (solid aluminum, I believe). Does not have bolt, spring, or charging handle. Pretty nice shape and everything functions as it should (the parts that are there).



Receiver build kits are going for $2200 ish to get this thing shooting semi-automatic. Otherwise, it makes one hell of a wall hanger.

This is not a functioning firearm and therefore does not need to be shipped to an FFL. This can ship directly to your front door.

Trades welcome -

1911's, 2011's, double action revolvers, high-ish end factory AR's, anything else that's cool
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Employment musing

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Some states seem confused about free market and freedom (duh I know)

Two things which should NOT go together AT WILL EMPLOYMENT -and- making non compete and training bonds (where you must work for X amount of time or face a fee) legally enforceable.

It’s ether free market (my fav), or more like a odd professional marriage.

If you’re free to fire me for any reason, I should be free to work for whomever I want in my off time, and also fire you as my employer at any time for any reason.
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What are the best pro-gun lobbying organizations to join/support?

pk5333
So far I'm only a member of the GOA.

I used to be an NRA member, but I think they spent more money sending me donation requests than I even gave them for a membership, and I often hear complaints about how they compromise too much.

I love what the NSSF does, especially with their instructional videos on Youtube, so I was going to likely send them a donation. Supposedly membership is only for people working in the firearm industry.

Who makes the biggest difference? I see Ohio and Florida are trying to pass constitutional carry. What organizations, if any, are putting some resources behind these kinds of efforts?

Thanks
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SOLD WTS-AT-X-sold locally

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Unfired AT-X
the chassis has been cerkoted bull shark gray
PLF338 bag rider
6 Dasher chambered by PVA Bartlein 26" heavy Palma contour 26" 5/8X24 1:7.5 unfired
6 Dasher chambered by Straight Jacket Rock Creek 26" Heavy Palma contour 5/8X24 1:7 50 rounds fired in another gun
3 new mags with HRD kits
2 new standard mags
$6250 shipped

I don't want to part it out right now so please don't ask.
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Ammo storage & transportation

Daddyusmaximus
Hope this isn't the wrong place for this, but the only other ammo related place was the reloading section, and that didn't seem right...

I'm looking to see if anyone has good ideas on the best way to store the maximum amount of rifle ammo in a .50 cal ammo can. It would need to be secure for long term storage, but also be available for ease of transport, should you need to take to the field. Ideally, I'd like it to NOT have it in the factory cardboard boxes. I know this is the most secure way, but it also can severely limit the amount you can fit in a single ammo can, given civilian ammo packaging practices. (Not talking about 30 rds of 5.56 on stripper clips here)

Some ammo comes in bigger boxes that others.

Fed XM193 is a relatively small box.
Fed Premium .223 Law Enforcement Tactical TRU 55 gr High Shok SP is the same size rounds, but in a much larger box.
I just took a bunch out of the box and put them loose in the can... Hopefully they'll be OK.
However, I wouldn't want to do that for my .243 ammo. That thing is a tack driver. It's one of the precision rifles I'm learning on since coming over here. That ammo gets damaged, I'm screwed.
In factory boxes, I only get 240 rounds of .243 in a can... I'd like to get around 500 in a can... if I could without damaging them. Less cans makes for a more efficient move.

Ideas anyone?
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80,000 PSI capable actions for Sig Fury

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Sig Sauer is preparing to release its 277 Fury and 6mm Fury cartridges next year. These Fury cartridges operate at 80,000 PSI, and supposedly deliver two benefits for the sportsman:

1) Higher velocities from shorter barrels,
2) and more efficient cartridge (similar to how 65,000 psi Creedmoor PRC have dominated over older lower pressure cartridges)

Are there any actions on the market that can operate at these pressures?
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Trench Gun Madness

buffalowinter
Well, after reading some history, I once again became intrigued by the Duck Bill Spreader Ithaca Model 37 used by the Navy SEAL's in Vietnam. One thing lead to another and I've spent the last month buying every cheap piece of crap shotgun off of the internet and restoring them to Trench Gun magnificence.
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First, and foremost, The Ithaca Model 37 with Duckbill Spreader. Designed for and used by the Navy SEALS in Vietnam in response to their request for a shotgun that would spread shot horizontally for a bigger kill area.

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I fabricated the Duckbill Spreader and Magazine extension, among other things. Finished in my proprietary Parkerized Cerakote finish.

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Before and after:

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Next I built a Stevens 520 trench Gun. The Stevens has the smoothest action of any shotgun I've used. Real old school craftsmanship, everything is made of either steel or wood.

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Before and after:

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Winchester 1897 I literally build from scrap parts I had laying around.
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Remington model 11 with Cutts compensator
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And just for some history, the infamous Harrington and Richardson "Special Forces Shotgun". After much investigation, and with help from SirH, we found this to be the real deal, made for Special Forces to be given to Montagnards in Vietnam.

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And finally, as a counterpoint, my NFA registered SBS. Lots of effort to get this to work Zhukov folding stock. I had to manufacture a trunnion to attach the stock and get the angle right so that the stock could be folded and have the gun still function due to its' reciprocating charging handle. The right side folder also allows for the attachment of the AK side rail optic mount. The charging handle had to be fabricated also.

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Would I be crazy to chop my 6.5 barrel?

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I have a really good shooting 24” noveske 6.5 creedmoor barrel fitted for my mws. It doesn’t seem to care for 140s that much but 123 and 130 Elds will generally hold 3/4moa or better and hasn’t been too picky on load development. My go to is hdy brass and 43.7 h4350 which gets me about 2875fps. It’s a rifle length gas system though and to keep from trashing brass I have a FA carrier, xh buffer and adjustable gas block. It’s a boat oar to swing with a can on it. The recoil impulse isn’t bad but it’s fairly drawn out with all that mass and I can feel and see every step of it in the sight picture.

I’m thinking about cutting it to 18” or so to make it handier and with the reduced dwell time I could lighten up the operating system without wrecking brass. I’ve just been afraid to touch it because it has always seemed to shoot so well. If I have to open the port so be it but noveske always seemed to be generous on his gas ports.

I think Dwilson is sleeving some 22” proof +2 6.5 barrels to fit the mws so I could grab one of those later if I wanted some speed back.
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SOLD **SOLD**Origin / Black Collar Arms / TriggerTech / Xcaliber MTU 6.5 Creedmoor pistol

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Just jumped on a bucket list gun and am looking to free up some funds.


**Chassis is SOLD

Barreled action still available. **SPF

Origin action, TriggerTech Primary, and 12.5” Xcalilber 1:8 MTU 6.5 Creedmoor barrel (about 1k down the tube). ASR brake is not included. $1050 for barreled action w/ trigger. $950 w/ no trigger.

Chassis system had neon flecks on it when I purchased it. They easily flake off with my fingernail so can be cleaned off if desired. I can also throw in Warne rings and a Leupold VX3i 3.5-10 scope for $325 if wanted.

Bottom image shows the configuration I had it in. Only the items listed are included. Fun blaster, and it knocked down its fair share of coyotes. Just too many other toys in the safe currently. Thank you.
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Bought a new Sig Cross

backyardsniper
and it's absolute fucking trash! I just felt the need to tell some body. Picked up the 16" 308 at the local gun store the other day. Me and a buddy went and had a few beers at lunch and then went to the local gun store to pick out a deer rifle for his boy for Christmas and I saw the sig, it was the first of these I have seen and I know I should have done some research before buying it. I thought man, if it will even shoot MOA that would be one handy little rifle, just a grab and go kind of deer or coyote rig.
I spent 3 hours at the range today, did the "break in" and then proceeded to try load after load. Some of these are loads that were one hole loads in my AI. I tried 155's, 168's, 178's and even some 110gr. It spewed rounds everywhere. It would group a couple and then throw 2 or 3 more 2" away from them. Anyway, everything else about it is all right, it just doesn't shoot worth a fuck, and if it was a $500 rifle I wouldn't be surprised, but for $1700 I would expect a bit more.
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🚨New Jersey 2A ALERT: Murphy launches gun ban onslaught. Mandatory re-education and forced labor for "gun law violators". SB-3757

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New Jersey's Democratic governor Phil Murphy launches a full on assault against the 2nd Amendment with a fusillade of gun bans and extreme restrictions that forbid even homeowners from keeping loaded firearms ready for defensive use and gun stores from displaying their wares in glass cases. New Jersey is a state which already boasts some of the most extreme anti-2A laws in the country, where a schoolteacher and historical library curator found with an unloaded and nonfunctioning 18th century flintlock pistol in his car during a traffic stop several years ago faced a felony charge and a potential 10 year prison sentence until these were defeated in a lengthy and costly court battle. In New Jersey, even air rifles are regarded as firearms and are subject to the same draconian laws governing their purchase, ownership, storage, and sales.


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Please Prepare to take Sustained Action
December 2, 2021. Today, Governor Murphy announced that he is pressing forward with his anti-gun legislative onslaught first announced in April, with the goal of passing all of it in the current "lame duck" legislative session which concludes in January. The proposals target Second Amendment rights and do nothing to severely punish gun criminals.

Murphy’s attacks include:
- Banning all 50 caliber firearms.
- Mandating electronic registration of all ammunition purchases.
- Mandating unreliable, useless "microstamping" technology for all handguns
(to stamp firearms serial numbers on spent ammunition).
- Allowing gun manufacturers to be sued for misuse of their products by
criminals.
- Imposing gun registration on those moving into NJ with legal firearms
previously acquired.
- Banning gun ownership for all citizens under age 21.
- Mandating training in order to simply own firearms.
- Using $12 million in taxpayer funds for anti-gun grants to universities and cities.
- Organizing anti-gun states to implement region-wide gun control.

Although the official legislative schedule has yet to be announced, the proposals could begin to be heard in Assembly committees as soon as next week.

Please prepare to take action in a sustained email campaign throughout December and early January -- we will provide updates and talking points as the schedule becomes clearer. In the meanwhile, please email every member of the Assembly (CLICK HERE) and tell them to oppose Governor Murphy's misguided attacks on Second Amendment rights of honest citizens, and demand that Governor Murphy instead severely punish those who commit violent gun crimes.

ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach was quoted today in a News12 NJ story on these developments (click here to see the story). Please watch for further updates and alerts, and prepare to take sustained action going forward.
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NJ Gun Bill Includes Mandatory Re-Education & Forced Labor with Anti-Gun Groups

The sentence for a 1st-time violator is mandatory re-education via so-called community service at an anti-gun organization of the Attorney General’s approval.
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NJ Senate Bill 3757 is scheduled to be heard in the Senate Law and Public Safety Committee on Thursday, December 09, 2021, at 1:00 PM. This so-called gun “safe storage” bill eviscerates the Constitutional Right to self-defense inside the home as explicitly recognized as by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Heller case.

The proposed law would require all legal owners of a firearm to:

  1. store or secure a firearm that is not in use at a premises under the owner’s control, unloaded, in a gun safe or securely locked box or container; and
  2. store ammunition, separately, in a securely locked box or container.
The law does NOT apply to unlawful owners of firearms, specifically prohibited persons, including but not limited to, convicted felons, terrorists, drug dealers, domestic abusers, or those committed for a mental disorder.

All firearms “not in use” must be secured in a gun safe, securely locked box or container. The phrase “not in use” is not defined. Unless you are actually shooting a gun, it would arguably not be “in use.” It might potentially be of use at some time in the future, but until you are using it, it’s not “in use” so it has to stay locked up.

All ammunition must be permanently stored in a separate securely locked box or container. There is no “use” exception for ammunition!​

So, in an emergency, you will need to:

  • (1) get to your safe or lockbox,
  • (2) unlock it,
  • (3) retrieve your firearm,
  • (4) get to your other separate lockbox,
  • (5) retrieve your ammunition (apparently unlawfully),
  • (6) load your magazine or cylinder.
  • (7) insert your magazine and rack your slide or close the cylinder, and then
  • (8) only you may use your firearm to defend yourself and your family if you are still even alive.
There is no exception for gun shops, gun dealers, gunsmiths, or target ranges to display unloaded firearms. A dealer’s entire inventory must be kept “…unloaded, in a gun safe or securely locked box or container.” No more displays of guns to rent or buy. Additionally, how can ammunition even be purchased, when it too has to stay locked up at all times?

Every gun and every round of ammunition at every dealer or range whether for sale or rent must be in a locked container.

Law-abiding gun owners (and only law-abiding gun owners) must keep their unloaded guns and ammunition in separate locked containers. Not only are all honest gun owners prohibited from having an accessible self-defense gun readily available, but you cannot even have a loaded gun in a locked box or gun safe. It doesn’t matter if you live alone at home with no children or anyone else in your household.

You are prohibited from having a loaded gun in your home, period!​

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Loaded guns at one’s place of business, farm, ranch, or any other “premises” under the owner’s control are also strictly prohibited.

There is no exception for law enforcement officers, military personnel, security guards, or even those with permits to carry. As soon as any lawful owner is on their “premises”, they are prohibited from having a loaded gun.

Antique and black powder guns are “firearms” under NJ Gun Law. No more antique guns over the fireplace or otherwise displayed in your home or business. No display of modern or antique guns or ammunition by museums. No exhibits of guns or ammunition at sportsmen’s shows.

The proposed law contains a very misleading exemption to make it appear that homes and businesses are not affected. It is a trick to fool those unfamiliar with NJ Gun Laws. Here is what it says:​

Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent a legal owner from being authorized, pursuant to subsection e. of N.J.S. 2C:39-6, to lawfully keep or carry about the owner’s place of business, residence, premises, or other land owned or possessed by the owner, any firearm, or from carrying the firearm, in the manner specified in subsection g. of N.J.S. 2C:39-6.
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This exemption does NOT permit a person “to lawfully keep or carry” a LOADED firearm. Sure, you can have a gun in your “place of business, residence, premises, or other land owned or possessed” as long as it’s NOT LOADED AND IS LOCKED UP!

Please note how the bill purposely does NOT include the COMPLETE “subsection e. of N.J.S. 2C:39-6” exemption (which applies to transport between allowed places, not carry in one’s home or business). Here is the complete “subsection e. of N.J.S. 2C:39-6” exemption with the underlined portion being what was omitted in the proposed ban:

e. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location. (Emphasis added)
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The proposed law fails to include this second half of the exemption, thereby forcing lawful gun owners to “carry” their gun pursuant to subsection g.

It limits an honest gun owner to carry to “the manner specified in subsection g. of N.J.S. 2C:39-6.” Subsection g. mandates “carry” as follows:

g. All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances. (Emphasis added)
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This misleading language conceals what is in fact a ban on having loaded firearms at one’s place of business, farms, ranches, or other premises under the owner’s control. As you can plainly see, the so-called home and business exemption is no exemption at all.

The Democrat-only sponsored-bill also criminalizes the following:​

If the firearm of a legal owner who fails to store or secure the firearm properly in violation of this section is accessed by another person, and the access results in serious bodily injury or death, the legal owner shall be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. (Emphasis added)

For example, if your spouse were to access your gun and shoot a criminal trying to murder you or your family, you would be guilty of a 4th Degree Crime (“Felony-Level” Offense) for allowing your spouse to access your gun.

Mandatory Re-Education & Forced Labor for Anti-Gun Groups​

The proposed law fails to state what type of offense will be charged for a first-time violator. A second-time violator is a disorderly person’s offense. However, the sentence for a first-time violator is mandatory re-education via so-called community service to be served at an anti-gun organization of the Attorney General’s approval. Here is the penalty section for the first-time violator:

…for a first offense, shall be sentenced to a period of community service of not less than 10 hours nor more than 40 hours with an entity with knowledge and experience in the prevention of gun violence approved by the Attorney General… (Emphasis added)
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An “approved enity” is defined as follows:

An approved entity shall offer community service that:
(1) incorporates gun violence prevention education; and
(2) effectuates behavioral change to meet the goals of gun violence prevention.
An approved entity may provide:
(1) online instruction related to gun violence prevention;
(2) gun violence prevention films; and
(3) gun violence prevention interventional activities as part of a New Jersey hospital-based gun violence intervention program.
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Note how it is not a gun safety entity, but a gun violence entity. That’s because none of the anti-gun groups actually teach safety, only the NRA does that.

For a second violation, all your guns are seized and forfeited to the government, and your firearm ID card and gun permits are revoked. You are given only 5 days to make arrangements with a gun dealer to sell them, and the gun dealer has only 10 days to pick them up or the government permanently keeps them.

The penalty for the proposed law can be summed up as follows:

“You vill vork as slave labor for the zee Anti-Gunners or you vill be imprisoned and your guns expropriated to the Government.”
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Law-abiding NJ gun owners need to vigorously oppose this extreme law and see the wolf in sheep’s clothing that the anti-Second Amendment extremists want to impose on New Jersey.
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FULL TEXT OF NJ SENATE BILL 3757 HERE:

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New Jersey S3757 | 2020-2021 | Regular Session

Summary (2021-05-11) "New Jersey Safe Storage of Firearms Act"; establishes certain requirements and penalties regarding firearm storage; repeals law governing minor's access to firearm; requires AG to establish public awareness campaign regarding firearm storage; appropriates $500,000. [Introduced
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