NiteQwill said:

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I like that...
- Richard

It's a cheap scope but it works really well for me. I have zero complaints. Clear enough optics, turret numbers are legible, and the clicks are very tactile. Zero way you wont know it moved. My Element theos is my favorite scope overall (for the money) but when I was shooting in 30 degree weather, the coldness congealed the lube inside the turrets, and combined with using gloves and ear pro, I had NO IDEA what was happening turret wise. It mind as well have been an old Vari X 2 with friction adjustments. The only recourse was to look down and visually verify things were where I wanted them. I do not have that problem with the DNT. Yea It's not Kahles or S&B, but it's a full 1/6th the price too. If I didnt already have a scope for every rifle I own, I'd buy another one of these I think.

KCode said:

Might sound stupid and if so my apologies.

But I was thinking of rolling the dice on a 8.3 BA Hanson barrel in 300 Blackout. While I would like to shim it if needed, I also want this barrel to be a place holder for a better barrel down the line if this one doesn't shoot decent.

I just didn't want to Loctite this barrel to my upper in the chance that I want to change it later.

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You're over thinking this. First, this isn't going to be a precision setup. It's maximum practical range is gonna be about 200 yards. The difference in accuracy that bedding the barrel may make, isn't worth chasing.

Unless the barrel to receiver fit is super sloppy, I wouldn't worry about it. Still, if you choose to bed the extension, you'll probably be using loctite 620. This stuff does not turn back into a liquid when it gets hot. Ive never seen it do that anyway.

Using loctitie doesn't actually "glue" the barrel in. What you wind up with is essentially the equivalent of a thermal fit because the loctite expands as it dries.

I heat the face of the receiver up with a propane torch to get the aluminum to expand a bit and use a brass rod of appropriate size to tap the barrel out of the receiver. The extension is made of hardened steel and the anodizing on the receiver is pretty tough, so I use a single sided razor blade to scrape off the hardened loctite. If you hit the dried loctite for a second or two directly with the flame of the torch, it'll flake and then scraping it off is pretty easy.

As for bedding using only shim material without loctite, I dont see how you can do it. For any fit that's gonna be tight, it's gonna crinkle the shim material when you try to assemble the parts. All it's gonna do, if you can get them together, is make things less loose, in which case, the shim material may wind up working its way out of the back end into the receiver.

My vote is for slapping it together and shooting it. If you're that worried about it, just order a thermal fit upper. BKings has em. Ive also used a few of the cerro forge uppers from dirty bird. Under $75.

For what it's worth, I never use shim material any more. If the fit is so sloppy that I can fit shim material thicker than a sheet of paper between the extension and receiver, I relegate that upper to beater builds and go with another upper, if accuracy is a concern.

I do the loctite because its simple and why not? Loctite AND shim material is a PITA and messy.

This exact thing happened to me about 20 years ago. The length of ladder above the limb was much more (I mean, I knew it was going to spring up) but it defied every conceivable metric and went up an incredible distance and I went directly to earth.

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Lowlight said:

You guys are funny with the OEM hate, you all use it in one form or another but find the excuse in specific instances to create a phony carve out.

A ton of guys have aligned with Leophoto among others including scopes. The S3s are the best bang for the money.

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I wouldn't say it's simply OEM hate... Leofoto can absolutely build a decent tripod although some refuse to admit that because of the country of origin.

As I mentioned earlier the real question is what improvements were made to the Zeiss tripod line to justify the higher prices, and are those improvements enough to justify the premium, especially when you can pick up a 50% off Leofoto cert from a match or out of the PX for about $70 and thus get a very good deal on a tripod or tripod and head combo straight from Leofoto. Can't say I've ever seen Zeiss discounts that deep. Don't forget price is the primary concern for many buyers, so the Zeiss lineup needs to bring actual improvements to the table and not just new logos, blue accents, and a few cosmetic tweaks.

Right now the biggest benefit / improvement I see in the Zeiss lineup is the HD tripod, it's a 44mm 3 section inverted. A 3 section inverted will store and set up lower than Leofotos own current 2 section inverted offerings, and going to larger diameter 44mm legs will help keep some stiffness going from 2 section to 3 section. A 44mm 3 section inverted is a configuration which as of now Leofoto doesn't offer in their own lineup... But I have a hunch they'll offer one in the near future.

doubloon said:

I still have one of those in a desktop model.

And you can still buy these everywhere in the south. I do not recommend lighting a cigarette off one.

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Probably lit several cartoons with one Gotta be smarter than Mongo.

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Mine is what looks like hot melt glue. With the aluminum bottom metal torqued to 60 inch pounds, and its a .223 I am not worried about the aluminum recoil lug

supercorndogs said:

What a revolution in thinking. You mean it doesn't matter if you can't shoot the diffrence.

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Even though it may not matter in terms of getting the best possible outcome, it does matter in reducing the worst possible outcome.

DemonicLemming said:

Do you want Killdozer V2.0? Because this is how you get it.

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Yeah, and the first house that should go is the person who filed the “anonymous complaint” followed by the wildlife officers who were just “Doin mu job”.

rjacobs said:

I would call that good service, but I bet they didnt pay out $1 more than they absolutely had to via your policy declarations. You were likely, through your policy language, covered for all of that stuff otherwise they wouldnt have paid it. I have coverage for all of that kind of stuff also. My broker is VERY thorough with my policy...and I pay out the ass for it.

I will say there is a reason there are a lot of lawyers that deal strictly with insurance companies and their tactics. People dont get awarded lots of money in settlements because the insurance company was dealing in an honest manner.

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I guess my point was that it really does depend on the insurance company and the local agent. I had one company/agent that would only honor the parts of the policy that I called out, or filed under. They were completely fine with not paying for everything covered under the policy if I didn't raise it as a claim. USAA on the other hand, went out of their way to make sure we got everything our policy covered.

Point being, it was $ I wasn't aware of being covered, that they ensured we claimed. So, not all companies are inherently bad, and some go out of their way, looking out for their clients best interests. You just don't hear about it often, because mostly its the negatives that get voiced and repeated.

Maurygold said:

I see you read nothing from the thread and just came in to bitch.

I said that when you go shoot a bunch of .2-.5 moa groups that I pick the one that has least spread over chrono as opposed to discerning .2 moa differences in group size as meaningful data

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I read enough of the thread to know you ain't talking anything about mixing brass lots like the OP asked.

But your thought would seem to be that there is a powder node so to speak. A charge weight that is going to have less deviation than others. Or are we just sliding over to the random load chooser?

MarinePMI said:

Honestly? Me.

When we had the wildfires of 2007 rip through our community (look up Westwood and 2007 wildfires), causing damage to my own home, USAA was there the day they lifted the lock down on our community (the one that was on the international news, showing literally rows of homes going up in smoke).

They not only helped us file the claim, but pointed out things we could, and should, claim, aside from the fire damage (lost food in the freezer from the power being shut off, the re-painting of the entire house, not just the corner that got scorched, or the dry wall and garage door that had to be replaced due to it being knocked down by the FD to get at the gas line in the wall that was on fire, professional house cleaning to get all the ash and smoke smell out of the house).

So, yeah, there actually are a lot of people that make claims like this. The problem is no one complains about good service, just when it's bad.

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I would call that good service, but I bet they didnt pay out $1 more than they absolutely had to via your policy declarations. You were likely, through your policy language, covered for all of that stuff otherwise they wouldnt have paid it. I have coverage for all of that kind of stuff also. My broker is VERY thorough with my policy...and I pay out the ass for it.

I will say there is a reason there are a lot of lawyers that deal strictly with insurance companies and their tactics. People dont get awarded lots of money in settlements because the insurance company was dealing in an honest manner.

Jingoist said:

How about these? Life was simpler back then.

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I killed my friends 100 times with those....

There was a time when I went to a competition, and I shot really well, even placed 1st as an individual. Fast forward to the next year, for some reason, my rings had loosened. My partner shot really well, I did not. I discovered the problem at the end of the shoot. Wondered why I was shooting so bad. Turns out, the scope was moving all around.

The championship got away!!!

Bump for the 7PRC.