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Zelensky wants NATO intervention because he needs bodies since his are running low.Its ironic but Trumps familiarity with Putin just might be the saving grace to prevent WW3. DT can say look Vlad just make sure you are confined to Ukraine not Poland or any other NATO countries other wise we have an issue.The question is if Putin really gives 2 shits about any of it.What pisses me off is that little fucker Mike Johnson could have cut Ukraine off 2 years ago but was too busy sucking Dem dicks and making deals to save his skin.They would have been done by now.
You’re buying into the liberal media’s portrayal of these affairs.

Trump is an adversary against Putin that Putin never saw coming-the only US President in history who authorized US forces to annihilate Russian forces with the full military might of air power and precision munitions, for many hours straight at the Battle of Khasham in Feb 2018.

Trump threatened Putin in a way he won’t openly discuss, but it was enough to keep Putin in-check, along with all the Javelins and weapons he sent to Ukraine. Trump genuinely didn’t want Ukraine to be invaded.

Prior Presidents had been helping prep Ukraine for invasion for decades, starting with Clinton. Clintons took hundreds of millions of dollars from Russia into the Clinton Global Initiative.

Things are not what they seem, and neither controlled information sources have reported ground truth on any of this.

Zelensky showing no respect in Oval Office

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The Europeans have finally been woken up, about 30 years too late though.

During the Cold War, they had moderate defense budgets and fragmented, national protectionist industries where instead of leveraging their collective developmental and production capacity, looked at defense programs as ways to create redundant jobs for companies in each nation that participated in multinational consortiums.

The whole reason we PCS’d there in 1980 was to participate in the development of Future Fighter 1990, which became known as the ECA, then EFA, then Eurofighter Typhoon, and now just Typhoon. If you look through the contracting awards, you’ll see the participating nations making the same subsystems in a lot of areas, rather than one country making this, and another making that. That’s more true with simple stuff like ammo drums, certain structures, and things that aren’t as advanced.

Here we are 45 years later, and the freaking Typhoon still doesn’t have an AESA Radar. Cockpit layout had too many cooks in the kitchen, so the systems are not well placed for natural man-machine interface. It’s a great aircraft, but suffered at the hands of feminists in parliaments cutting its funding, while committees of British, German, Spanish, and Italian engineers fought over how it would be designed and developed.

It’s kind of a microcosm of the whole collective European defense posture.

A fews countries did take their defense seriously since the 1990s, namely Finland, Poland, and Norway. Germany, the UK, Italy, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Denmark bought into the whole “It’s the end of history!” insanity.

The problem is, when you embrace weakness, you invite someone to attack you and make conflict more inevitable. When you maintain strength, it acts as a major deterrent to aggressors. Europe failed to do this.

While they invested restricted amounts of money in aging technology, the US had already moved onto the next thing. The ATF program was funded starting in 1981.

ASTOVL started receiving secret funding in 1983.

ATF became the F-22A. ASTOVL became the F-35B. There were 5 other programs besides ASTOVL that rolled into JSF-A and JSF-C, which are the F-35A and F-35C.
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“Texas Plinking” 1 MOA/1K Yard Challenge Videos

Mea Culpa. I mentioned that watching all these episodes led me to the conclusion that shooting that far on game animals is for the few, very few, that are very well trained. People buying rifles that will ethically take game at that distance by and large have no business trying it. Most people show up for these episodes with very high dollar equipment and knowing the game except for the wind and can’t hit that 10” target in the first three shots. The end.

Now back to the regularly scheduled programming and discussion. 😎
Gotcha.... Yeah, that is waaay too far to ethically take game in my opinion. Unless that game is steel! Lol
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Zelensky showing no respect in Oval Office

If you could choose only one, which would it be?

A. End the Ukraine war

B. Stop spending U.S. money on the Ukraine war

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Zelensky showing no respect in Oval Office

They don't want our crops, most of our breeds and chemical usage versus their laws make sure of that, but they'd gladly take Russia's, same as their LNG. I believe it's a HUGE reason they've sat on the sidelines as much as they have to date.
Hell, I don’t want most of our crops either with all the shit they put on them.

It’s funny that EU buys LNG from Russia and Ukraine buys it from EU. Supporting the evil Putin while letting him do as he pleases and wanting someone else to pick up the tab. The Cabal is real.

Geisselles new SPR barrel with special gas system


This might be a decent option for a tight fitting gas block.
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This could all have been avouded if Obama had not been weak allowed the annexation of Crimea and then Biden being even weaker
That was intentional. Obama was literally conceived and pampered by the Marxists within the US and Indonesia. His mom worked for USAID, and his first job after graduating Columbia was with a CIA front company called Business International Corp.

Even as a Senator, Obama went to Ukraine to disarm the actual Ukrainians of their artillery munitions, to soften them up for future Russian action.

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Trump put a major delay on Putin’s plans to take Ukraine, by promoting low US energy prices, which in-turn dropped global energy prices and ruined Russia’s economic growth potential and funding of the SMO.

Trump also authorized the sale of $150 million Javelins to Ukraine on March 1, 2018, right after he had US forces in Syria annihilate a Russian Wagner-led armored battle group that attacked a small contingent of SOF personnel at the Conoco plant near Khasham, well across their red line of demarkation that had been agreed to.

Trump later authorized an ever larger sale of Javelins to Ukraine, along with a $600 million weapons package after that. You can view all of this on the US DSCA website, which publishes US Foreign Military Sales packages.

Elements within the CIA/USAID, FBI, and intelligence sector who are multigenerational betrayers to the US, helped Biden steal the 2020 election, so China and Russia could make their moves. Biden, who the Soviets helped get elected into the Senate in 1972, was one of their long-time stooges who would do whatever they asked, as all they needed to do was threaten him with expositing his pedophilia crimes. He had already suborned treason to his brother James and son Hunter, using them as intermediaries for laundering Putin’s bribe payments.

Remember how Russian oligarch Elena Baturina wired $3.5 million to Hunter’s Rosemont Seneca in Feb 2014? Now look at what date the pardon goes back to......Jan 2014.

“Texas Plinking” 1 MOA/1K Yard Challenge Videos

Not sure how this turned to a hunting discussion.... That challenge has nothing to do with hunting.

Anyway, back on track- this episode was good but I was jealous that they had nice calm conditions. The wind last time was brutal!

Mea Culpa. I mentioned that watching all these episodes led me to the conclusion that shooting that far on game animals is for the few, very few, that are very well trained. People buying rifles that will ethically take game at that distance by and large have no business trying it. Most people show up for these episodes with very high dollar equipment and knowing the game except for the wind and can’t hit that 10” target in the first three shots. The end.

Now back to the regularly scheduled programming and discussion. 😎

Zelensky showing no respect in Oval Office

President Trump and VP Vance stated what the vast majority of the American public has been saying for the last three years:

Ukraine needs America far more than America needs Ukraine. Their country is an economic blip on our GDP radar, provides exactly zero security to our nation on its own accord, and has been a sponge on our assets and energy. The EU, who is highly reliant on Ukraine for agriculture, energy and security, has given the bare minimum of effort to their cause. I consider that a major fucking clue.

The support that has been provided to Ukraine has only been just enough to keep them from total collapse, instead intentionally prolonging the war and ensuring it achieved a hellscape stalemate resulting in nothing but death and destruction that neither side can feasibly win short of thermonuclear release of weapons. The MIC get richer, the corrupt leaders get richer, the people die horrible deaths or suffer to the point they wish they would be next. The prolonging of this war is shameful, but unsurprising.

Agriculturally, Ukraine is a sizable competitor to the US on the global markets. Steel, it's a competitor. Minerals, it's a competitor. Politically, it flies in the face of the American ideals of freedom and citizen led leadership. The Uke government has successfully silenced and embargoed its political competition, taken control of the press, and suspended its constitution. It's pure laughable hypocrisy the left, who clamor endlessly about the destruction of democracy, support Zelensky whom has does exactly that. UKRAINE IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. You have to actually hold elections to be a democracy, and they indefinitely suspended all of those. The US held elections in the middle of a Civil War in 1864, yet they cry some bullshit that it can't be done because of an ongoing war. That's the lamest of all fucking excuses.

This entire time, the support for the war in Ukraine has never been justified to me or the majority of Americans. We Americans want an end to it, surprisingly more than the people involved in the running of the fighting of the war. The only ones in the way of peace are the war hawks who wish to see their own people continue to be slaughtered like bird flu riddled chickens. They really do hate their own people that much. Why it's Americans that actually care about the citizenry of both Ukraine and Russia, more than their own leadership, is way beyond my means of rational comprehension because it is completely irrational behavior.
The Euros are shutting down farming in the name of Green. How the hell do they plan to survive importing everything they need? Gonna tap Russia? They should be all in on Ukraine because of what they can gain from Ukraine but war is icky and beneath them. They can just tap the USA to bail them out again, only this time the right guy is in office to tell them NO!

Vortex RazorHD Gen III 6-36x56 vs NF ATACR 7-35x56

This thread was a great read as I’m choosing between the G3 & the ATACR for NRL22. Thanks to all who all who contributed up to this point.

Personally, I like the Tremor5 and have been a fan of Horus reticles since H-59. I know, heresy. But I have a Tremor3 in another scope so I like the idea of keeping things simple across optics. All my red dots are Vortex or Holosuns for example. But I’m also a fan of Vortex and their customer service. With the pricing I can get it makes the Vortex slightly more expensive over the NF but I think the Vortex warranty justifies it.

In any case thanks again for the discussion. Time to go find my coin to toss.
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Bear Independent: Pam Bondi Should Resign Over Epstein Files No Release!

How about those of us who thought she was not the right choice in the first place. Let’s see some Travon level shit happen. Or does that only occur when playing for the other team.

Did anyone force her to brag about what she would do immediately?

I would take a high level target being arrested for j walking over a nothing burger.

Time will tell.
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Zelensky showing no respect in Oval Office

If you want to see what those "cultured" europeans think, check this out:

Dumb bastards haven't a clue about the inevitable outcome of the Ukes war.
Saber rattling from the neutered.

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